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  • Question: Do you think Britain should leave the EU?  (Voting closed: March 18, 2016, 08:18 PM)
  • Yes - 9 (42.9%)
  • No - 12 (57.1%)
  • Undecided - 0 (0%)
  • Total Voters: 21

 Topic: Brexit - yes or no?

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  • Brexit - yes or no?
     OP - February 17, 2016, 05:15 PM
    Do you think the UK should leave the EU? 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #1 - February 17, 2016, 05:27 PM
    Who needs EU scientific funding anyway?

    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #2 - February 17, 2016, 08:04 PM
    Quote from: toor on February 17, 2016, 05:27 PM
    Who needs EU scientific funding anyway?


    that is a great link with proper analysis of Poodle Science  but this post
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    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=29775.msg848132#msg848132

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    Hassan:  You should read the Qur'an then lol

    toor: This is genuinely one of the most beautiful exchanges I have ever read on here.


     is wrong..   Wrrrrrooooonnnnggg..  that should be ...

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    "Thy Should Read the Quran then Lo!"  ...
    Thy Should Read the Quran then Lo! ...
    Thy Should Read the Quran then Lo!

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #3 - February 19, 2016, 02:41 AM
    I'm surprised nobody apart from Toor has an opinion on this given that the EU leaders are currently in crunch negotiations about the new EU-UK deal, and that the British are supposed to be voting in a referendum on it in a few months time.  The whole EU debate in the UK also seems very bound up with opinions about immigration, which is a subject many of you have expressed strong opinions about in other threads, so I'm surprised that after two days we've had one opinion about the EU and one off topic post from Yeez. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #4 - February 19, 2016, 03:39 PM
    Unfortunately the fact appears to be that very few people are well informed enough about European politics to articulate a wroth while opinion. Apathy towards the EU in terms of public interest in the politics and voter turnout is rather high. It'd be interesting to see what the turnout of the EU referendum would be.

    I would opt to remain within the EU based upon economic grounds, tighter regulations of banks and accountability of our government. We are able to take any grievances to the ECHR and hold our 'country' to account. This outweighs any interest I may have regarding the skewed immigration debate.
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  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #5 - February 19, 2016, 03:45 PM
    We would not come out of the ECHR if we left the EU though as they are completely separate institutions. That is a different matter completely.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #6 - February 19, 2016, 04:11 PM
    True. A lot of the arguments for remaining with the EU appears to be economic. I suppose once your economy is tied with another country you may begin to take an interest in your human rights record and that of others and seek to appease the other country by reducing/rethinking HR violations. I can't help but think that the two are not mutually exclusive in the game of politics. Take into account that if we exit the EU the caps on working hours p/w are removed (if The Economist is to be believed). Will we have a recourse to appeal this? I hope so.

    Enough about me. What do you think?
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  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #7 - February 19, 2016, 04:15 PM
    It occurs to me that the Little Englander tendency of the Conservative Party - those guys that didn't fuck off to UKIP, mostly - have been thrown a bone with this, and with the increasingly ridiculous restrictions on legal immigration we've seen over the last few years.

    Still, a shotgun blast to the face will remove any troublesome zits, so..


    Also, good to have you back, Jedi  Afro
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #8 - February 19, 2016, 04:41 PM
    Great to be back. I came back after hearing/watching what happened between Maryam and Goldsmiths University.

    Again, I know little about the economic implications of a Brexit' and that is the crux of the matter. I won't be swayed by immigration politics.
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  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #9 - February 19, 2016, 05:37 PM
    Was wondering what happened to you! You were missed
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #10 - February 19, 2016, 07:09 PM
    Goddammit - I voted yes but meant no! Can I change it?

    No to a Brexit, I love that this country is part of the EU. Sure there are costs but there are so many benefits for the country and for us as citizens. I have benefited a lot from the free movement of persons legislations and so have many others. The UK is not in the least bit self-sufficient and would suffer without EU economical and trade benefits as well as additional job opportunities. Disadvantages of a Brexit outweigh advantages.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #11 - February 19, 2016, 08:19 PM
    You can now.
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #12 - February 19, 2016, 10:15 PM
    Welp.



    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #13 - February 19, 2016, 10:20 PM
    Do my eyes deceive me?  Shocked
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #14 - February 20, 2016, 09:30 PM
    Voted yes because all I see is us paying money into the EU but getting nothing back for it.
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #15 - February 20, 2016, 10:12 PM
    You get full access to the single market for it, and that currently accounts for approx. 40% of British exports. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #16 - February 20, 2016, 10:37 PM
    Not to mention massive farming subsidies, which our government has been fighting to keep under the Common Agricultural Policy. Or cuts to your mobile phone tariffs both here and while roaming within the EU. There's also the small matter of EU membership allowing Britain to be a part of a major trading bloc, giving it a degree of clout that it hasn't had since World War I, never mind the trading agreements pre-EU when it came to the Commonwealth.

    Put less temperately - a Brexit is one hell of a price to pay for some Britons to finally accept what more hard-nosed international types have been saying for a while - we're a backwater with some distinctly moth-eaten pretensions to greatness.
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #17 - February 20, 2016, 10:53 PM
    (Of course, put another way, it's all a long con that depends on our ability to perceive the interests of some form of oligarch or other as our own.)
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #18 - February 20, 2016, 11:01 PM
    Quote from: toor on February 20, 2016, 10:53 PM
    (Of course, put another way, it's all a long con that depends on our ability to perceive the interests of some form of oligarch or other as our own.


    Hail to people  of Queen ... We are special, we  are not like people living in Europe.,  we will have our cake,  your cake  and we will eat them both .. you all guys in European union You stupids "watch we eating your cake"  


    EU should cut that cord send Queens people into high Oceans ...  may be to that Falklands
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #19 - February 21, 2016, 01:13 PM
    But we're a sovereign nation and should decide what's right for Britain ourselves, not be told what to do by Euro bureauocrats.
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #20 - February 21, 2016, 02:00 PM
    "Told what to do"? You're talking as if Britain (in the abstract) has no input into any of this, but OK, let's run with it.

    If it's rule by bureaucrats that you object to, bear this in mind: David Cameron's promotion of Parliamentary sovereignty goes hand in hand with the departmental expediting of secondary legislation (statutory instruments and the like), rather than Acts of Parliament (primary legislation). You know, stuff that barely, if ever, gets any proper scrutiny, Parliamentary or otherwise. Most legislation is driven by the executive - the government - rather than the legislature (i.e. Parliament), in a way that increasingly suggests that the Parliamentary stage is considered as much of a formality as the Royal Assent.

    What does this have to do with bureaucrats? Well, public policy in government departments doesn't change very much, generally, whoever wins a general election; ministers come and go, but senior civil servants - and those who lobby or otherwise influence them - carry on.
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #21 - February 21, 2016, 02:06 PM
    Quote from: toor on February 21, 2016, 02:00 PM
    "Told ....... as much of a formality as the Royal Ass.........
    ......................

    toor is angry and says so much along with that   "Royal Ass..."

    I like Royal Asses...  they are probably ~10,000 of  Royal Asses around the globe .. they are very precious  10, 000 in 7 billion folks .. that is indeed  very rare ass...



    Windsor news  please don't arrest me for Blasphemy
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #22 - February 21, 2016, 03:56 PM
    Really of topic but I can't find that thread in which I think Zeca referenced the book 'Battling the Gods' and the author appears on The Big Questions @ around 41:00 on the issue  'is atheism the rational choice?'. It's available on iPlayer.

    On topic - BJ is campaigning to get out of the EU.
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  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #23 - February 21, 2016, 03:59 PM
    I just want no part of anything that leads to globalization, eventual one-world government and multi-national corporate fascism.  I have no political leaning with any party whether left, right or any other.   However if I had to choose between corporate fascism and socialism I would choose socialism every time.

    BTW yeezevee I'm no fan of the monarchy either, I was just acknowledging that we are, however, supposed to be a sovereign nation.

     
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #24 - February 21, 2016, 04:48 PM
    Quote from: Maya on February 21, 2016, 03:59 PM
    BTW yeezevee I'm no fan of the monarchy either, I was just acknowledging that we are, however, supposed to be a sovereign nation.


    Hi Maya.. I now that.. I am reading you so long ... my post is nothing to do with that.. I just posted it for the readers .. Indeed UK is sovereign nation  and it must take public opinion in such important matters ....  

    Any way I was closely following London Blond Mayor

     
    big beasts in  British politics

    well beasts are every where and even in everyone to different extent .. that is a good one to read along with  Duncan Smith

    anyways I am so glad to read you..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #25 - February 21, 2016, 05:51 PM
    Quote from: Maya on February 21, 2016, 03:59 PM
    I just want no part of anything that leads to globalization, eventual one-world government and multi-national corporate fascism.  I have no political leaning with any party whether left, right or any other.   However if I had to choose between corporate fascism and socialism I would choose socialism every time.


    I'm having trouble reconciling the first and third sentences here, especially as the choice we're being given re Brexit doesn't involve opting out of globalisation or rule by multinationals.
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #26 - February 21, 2016, 10:01 PM
    I know it doesn't but it's another step on the way to one-world government by staying in and a step back by getting out.
     
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #27 - February 22, 2016, 01:20 AM
    I want the UK to stay in the EU, because at least we have a RELATIONSHIP with Europe even if it isn't very good. Not to mention that I'm concerned what it would mean for EU citizens in the UK (and vice versa) if Cameron decides to leave.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #28 - February 22, 2016, 01:26 AM
    Cameron wants to stay, he's made that quite clear.  Its the Nigel Farages and Boris Johnsons who want to leave.  Ultimately it will be the public who make the decision though.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #29 - February 22, 2016, 05:15 PM
    Yes, that's what I meant by 'if Cameron decides to leave' because there's no telling what this ***** will decide.
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