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  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     OP - June 01, 2016, 02:08 AM

    Muhammad
    Said Allah does not love
    those who reject Islam.
    (Quran 30:45, 3:32, 22:38)

    "I have been commanded to fight
    against people till they testify that there
     is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
     is the messenger of Allah"
    (Muslim 1:33)

    Stoned women for adultery.
    (Muslim 4206)

    Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
    (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

    Permitted lying.
    (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)

    Owned and traded slaves.
    (Sahih Muslim 3901)

    Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
    (Abu Dawud 4390)

    Murdered those who insulted him.
    (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

    "If then anyone transgresses
    the prohibition against you,
    Transgress ye likewise against him"
    (Quran 2:194)

    Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
    (Muslim 4645)

    Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
    (Bukhari 5:268, Quran 33:50)

    Slept with a 9-year-old child.
    (Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

    Ordered the murder of women.
    (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

    "O you who believe!  Fight those of the
     unbelievers who are near to you
    and let them find in you hardness."
    (Quran 9:123)

    Ordered 65 military campaigns
    and raids in his last 10 years.
    (Ibn Ishaq )

    Killed captives taken in battle.
    (Ibn Ishaq 451)

    Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
    (Abu Dawood 2150, Quran 4:24)

    Demanded captured slaves and
    a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
    (Quran 8:41)

    Was never tortured, but tortured others.
    (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)

    "And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
    (Quran 8:39)

    Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
    (al-Tabari 1440)

    Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
    from which he preached Islam.
    (Bukhari 47:743)

    What are the Greatest Commandments?
    "Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
    (Muslim 1:149)

    Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
    (Quran 4:102)

    Died fat and wealthy from what was
    taken from others in war or
    demanded from others in tribute.

    Advocated crucifying others.
    (Quran 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)

    According to his followers:
    Had others give their lives for him.
    (Sahih Muslim 4413)

    Jesus

    Said God loves everyone.
    (John 3:16)

    "He who lives by the sword
    will die by the sword."
    (Matthew 26:52)

    "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
    (John 8:7)

    "Thou shalt not steal."
    (Matthew 19:18)

    "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
    (Matthew 19:18)

    Neither owned nor traded slaves.

    Beheaded no one.

    Preached forgiveness.
    (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)

    "If someone strikes you on the right
    cheek, turn to him the other also."
    (Matthew 5:39)

    "Blessed are the peacemakers, for
    they will be called Sons of God"
    (Matthew 5:9)

    Was celibate.

    Did not have sex with children.

    Never harmed a woman.

    "Blessed are the meek, for
    they shall inherit the earth."
    (Matthew 5:5)

    Ordered no military campaigns, nor
    offered any approval of war or violence.  

    Never took captives.
    Never killed anyone.

    Never encouraged rape.
    Never enslaved women.  

    "The Son of Man came not
    to be served, but to serve."
    (Matthew 20:28)

    Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.

    "Love your enemies and pray
    for those who persecute you"
    (Matthew 5:44)

    Healed a blind man
    (Mark 8:28)

    Washed his disciples feet.
    (John 13:5)

    What are the Greatest Commandments?
    "Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
    (Matthew 22:34-40)

    Chastised anyone attempting
    to defend him with force.
    (John 18:10-12)

    Demanded nothing for himself.
    Died without possessions.

    Was crucified himself.

    According to his followers:
    Gave his life for others.
    (John 18:11 and elsewhere)

    http://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx

    I think you have some problem.
    Every thing I post, looks weird to you.


  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     Reply #1 - June 01, 2016, 03:23 AM

    "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
    (Luke 19:27)

    "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
    (Matthew 10:34-37)

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     Reply #2 - June 01, 2016, 09:52 AM

    "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
    (Luke 19:27)

    "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
    (Matthew 10:34-37)

    and those words you can see in Quran also in slightly different format ... and that tells me something., Even those violent verses that I read in Quran also come from earlier faiths and faith heads..

     Muhammad of Islam is made up cartoon character  made from  Multiple faces  that are born in different sects of different faiths   at different  times of early Islam.,  Where as in the case of Muhammad of Quran,  Unlike bible Quran Has no word "Muhammad" and his immediate family members in it ..  I say more than 70% of Quran verses we can see come from  in OT & NT..  So I would confidently say  early Islam is product  from  Christian/Jewish sects. 

    And later  times.  Arab pagans took that ball and ran to goal posts with in 100 years of Islam. And they did fantastic job  starting from Saudi Arabia ...All the way to Spain to its  west and all the way to Indian subcontinent to its east

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     Reply #3 - June 01, 2016, 02:55 PM

    "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
    (Luke 19:27)

    "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
    (Matthew 10:34-37)


    Jesus use to talk in hyperbole.

    while ALLAH and Muhammad commandments are directly and literally towards the believers.

    I think you have some problem.
    Every thing I post, looks weird to you.


  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     Reply #4 - June 01, 2016, 03:02 PM

    Jesus use to talk in hyperbole.

    while ALLAH and Muhammad commandments are directly and literally towards the believers.



    let me delete the word Muhammad..   and the word Allah was there in Arabic language  before Muhammad and before Christ ., There is no Muhammad in Quran hence no Muhammad in Islam.

      And I am also not sure about Jesus  and his hyperbole talk .

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     Reply #5 - June 01, 2016, 03:04 PM

    Jesus use to talk in hyperbole.


    Lol
  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     Reply #6 - June 01, 2016, 10:45 PM

    Jesus use to talk in hyperbole.
    while ALLAH and Muhammad commandments are directly and literally towards the believers.

    Jesus has had similar "did he even exist?" questions leveled at him as M. has had recently; but in what survives of J's words, he made a claim to be the king. In fact, to be God's viceroy on Earth: the heir to David and Solomon. (I understand that Muslims have the same concept, the khalifat Allah.)

    So if Jesus didn't get around to bumping off enemies, it's mainly because he didn't win.
  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     Reply #7 - June 01, 2016, 11:22 PM

    Jesus use to talk in hyperbole.

    while ALLAH and Muhammad commandments are directly and literally towards the believers.

    k

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     Reply #8 - June 01, 2016, 11:25 PM

    Jesus use to talk in hyperbole.

    while ALLAH and Muhammad commandments are directly and literally towards the believers.



    Maybe he used to talk in code. Perhaps because he was a member of a community that was occupied, taxed, and oppressed by foreign rulers who had local agents on their payroll.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     Reply #9 - June 02, 2016, 07:46 PM

    Maybe he used to talk in code. Perhaps because he was a member of a community that was occupied, taxed, and oppressed by foreign rulers who had local agents on their payroll.


    http://www.democracynow.org/2014/12/4/watch_the_assassination_of_fred_hampton
  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     Reply #10 - June 02, 2016, 10:48 PM

    Maybe he used to talk in code. Perhaps because he was a member of a community that was occupied, taxed, and oppressed by foreign rulers who had local agents on their payroll.


    It is also a good argument for a peaceful line, not actively seeking confrontation.
    Declaring that all Romans were a bunch of thieving unclefuckers that should have their throats slit and be thrown in the sea (the sooner the better), would probably move the sect from category of "just another messianic bunch of jewish escatologists, but who cares?" to "Rome, we have a problem... but nothing we can't nail in a hurry".

    If you on the other hand are a successful warlord, political correctness and gentleness is not likely to be your prime concern.
  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     Reply #11 - June 02, 2016, 11:05 PM

    ^Maybe also, and perhaps more importantly, that the early Christians were living in a world where challenging the empire wasn't really an option (and when Jewish revolts actually happened they ended in disaster). So whatever the real historical Jesus may actually have said later followers may have had good reason to emphasise (or create) the peaceful, non-confrontational side of his message.
  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     Reply #12 - June 03, 2016, 12:48 AM



    Yeah. For sure Isa was not the last. Many charismatic and necessary young men have died in such ways here, ways that should not exist in living memory. I did not know the Black Panthers required six weeks of education to join. So do most peshmarga parties, six weeks at the least. 

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Comparision Between Muhammad and Jesus
     Reply #13 - June 03, 2016, 02:41 AM

    ^Maybe also, and perhaps more importantly, that the early Christians were living in a world where challenging the empire wasn't really an option (and when Jewish revolts actually happened they ended in disaster). So whatever the real historical Jesus may actually have said later followers may have had good reason to emphasise (or create) the peaceful, non-confrontational side of his message.


    That is very likely.

    The Roman empire was very polytheistic, and it seems that you could behave religiously almost as you liked, as long as you did not perform human sacrifice, paid your taxes and acknowledged the emperor.
    If you on the other hand tried to break down the empire or "went political" (without being able to play the game), you were not likely to last long.
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