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  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     OP - May 02, 2017, 06:52 PM
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    Quilliam was victim to extremist Tommy Robinson and alt-right Rebel media’s George Llewelyn-John trespassing in our office using aggressive and bullying behaviour today, after they barged in to our London address, verbally harassing and physically intimidating our staff.

    Tommy proceeded to abuse and bully junior staff, failing to leave the premises when asked, eventually being escorted off-site by the police. Having arrived with a cameraman from the alt-right Rebel Media, George Llewelyn-John, they hounded Quilliam staff and repeatedly refused to have a reasoned discussion.

    At Quilliam, we expect a creatively edited version of this altercation to appear on Rebel Media over the coming days, accusing Quilliam of shutting down debate, cowardly calling the police, and being apologists for extremism, as well spreading lies about assault. Our work and record is clear: we tackle extremism of all kinds and will support our hard-working staff to allow them to do that in a safe environment.


    The rest of this press statement from the Quilliam Foundation is here.
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #1 - May 03, 2017, 02:05 AM
    Why is this not surprising at all?
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #2 - May 04, 2017, 02:39 PM
    Why the racist right isn't an ally for any of the interests of people of color? Go figure.

    Edit: Not that I'm letting the racist left off the hook either, just saying.
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    how fuck works without shit??


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    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #3 - May 04, 2017, 02:46 PM
    News is not clear what actually happened??
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #4 - May 04, 2017, 09:21 PM
    To summarise, apparently Tommy was unhappy he was mentioned in the guardian article a Quilliam member wrote and marched into the Quilliam office with a microphone and presumably a camera and wouldn't leave when asked, so the police were called and escorted him out. May check out Rebel Media at a later point to get a sense of what happened (in as much as one can in a world of everyday editing), right now I can't be fucked.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #5 - May 04, 2017, 10:37 PM
    Quote from: asbie on May 04, 2017, 02:39 PM
    Why the racist right isn't an ally for any of the interests of people of color? Go figure.

    Edit: Not that I'm letting the racist left off the hook either, just saying.


    This is why I have always had a problem with the way Maajid tried to befriend that guy and gave him money and positive press. I like Maajid well enough but that wasn't a smart move at all; Yaxley-Lennon never had any interest in improving himself, that was clear from the start.

    As a result Quilliam has attracted a bunch of far-right supporters, who went berserk after Quilliam criticised their idol (Yaxley-Lennon). They're now facing backlash on social media and for whatever reason I felt compelled to defend them. After all, they kind of brought this on themselves.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #6 - May 04, 2017, 11:54 PM
    Always found it interesting when observing Maajid Nawaz's Twitter account how the people who reply to him don't tend to be fellow Muslims, fellow liberals but far-right/anti-Muslim bigots. But they're not racist you see, they just want Muslims to fuck off back to Mohammedland, calling for mass deportations of anyone who identifies with being Muslim. That's OK then I guess because Islam isn't a race? The only evil in the world is Islamic terror, any other kind of blind dogma or bigotry is a red herring and you're an apologist for said evil if you're even a little bit broad minded. Maajid has attracted people he needn't have and indeed it's biting him in the backside currently.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #7 - May 05, 2017, 06:59 AM
    ^^Exactly. I have noticed that Quilliam has changed its tone recently, and has started to call out the far-right extremists as well now. I can imagine that Quilliam has realised it has made a mess of things and now wants to distance itself from these people. When Maajid criticised Trump he faced similar backlash and I didn't see many people defending/agreeing with him. It seems that the support base he has attracted consists mainly of bigots rather than moderates. And that is what you get when you are a self-proclaimed anti-extremist, but too lenient on the far-right to start with.

    This is why I am so venomous towards the people who visit this for who voice any support for the far-right or appear to share their views. I know that these people tend to get associated with ex-Muslims, and how damaging this is for us. So yeah; zero tolerance.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #8 - May 07, 2017, 12:54 AM
    I have heard an ex Muslim defend Tommy Robinson, saying he is only trying to show everyone that there is a lot of extremism amongst Muslims. I can't ever defend this guy. He created the EDL. He tainted the England flag. He made it easier for racists to shout their views. Being half white doesn't save me from this. I will always be the foreigner.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #9 - May 07, 2017, 02:01 PM
    Quilliam showing no spine in the face of the far-right again. I suppose that it's all about the money (as they know that this would lose them supporters) for them and that they have made no real change, disappointing.
    https://www.facebook.com/151461511738/videos/10154278681361739/
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #10 - May 07, 2017, 06:34 PM
    'Maajid Nawaz was in jail for terrorism'. The irony is not lost when he talks of smearing.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #11 - May 07, 2017, 06:36 PM
    Quote from: NorthernArab on May 07, 2017, 12:54 AM
    I have heard an ex Muslim defend Tommy Robinson, saying he is only trying to show everyone that there is a lot of extremism amongst Muslims. I can't ever defend this guy. He created the EDL. He tainted the England flag. He made it easier for racists to shout their views. Being half white doesn't save me from this. I will always be the foreigner.


    You learn very quickly that a lot of EDL members are not your allies. Whatever solidarity they like to profess, it only ever goes one way.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #12 - May 08, 2017, 05:08 AM
    Hmmh, Quilliam...

    Hopefully they can make better allies next time. I can get why they would want to "deconvert" someone like Tommy Robinson but maybe they could pick more left-leaning people instead...

    Sigh.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #13 - May 08, 2017, 10:08 PM
    Quote from: Ward_End on May 07, 2017, 06:36 PM
    You learn very quickly that a lot of EDL members are not your allies. Whatever solidarity they like to profess, it only ever goes one way.


    Yet I notice many of them are quick to pull out the 'but we have a Sikh division!' What's the point if even a half white person ain't enough lol. They are the very definition of white supremacy and I think its fair to say Tommy Robinson is too since he created the group.

    I identify a hell of a lot more with people of colour anyway. Always have, and consider myself one of them.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #14 - May 09, 2017, 07:37 PM
    We've been discussing whether or not to Invite Tommy onto the Jinn and Tonic show. Thoughts? Personally I'm for it because I can pick his brain, and there's a lot of questions I'd ask him if hes really a non racist "England is for everyone" but "a certain mentality (islam) poses a problem" type person. In fact I've been considering making a thread on that subject after the last few people to join the forum were obviously islamophobes who had no clue why that may pose a problem. Would it be worthwhile?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #15 - May 09, 2017, 07:42 PM
    I'd say don't give him a platform.
    Which side are you on?
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #16 - May 10, 2017, 01:04 AM
    Eh, part of me agrees, but the other part says drag people into the light of day. If we do invite him if won't be to attack his views but to explore them, I hope. Another person that's being considered is Adam Deed, who personally I'd be more interested in.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #17 - May 11, 2017, 09:04 PM
    Well if he really thinks Islam is the problem and not all brown people, he should be happy all of us have left. Something tells me he'd find something else to moan about. I don't trust the guy and he's had many chances to talk and every time he comes across as a bigot.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #18 - May 11, 2017, 09:37 PM
    I remember a when thousands of EDL protesters came up to Newcastle a few years ago. I was living there at the time, so decided to pop over to the counter-protest. A pair of old ladies who had been over to their side of the demonstration and were neutral came up to speak to me about my views. I asked them if I would have been welcome at the EDL protest and their answer was "not a chance". Bear in mind that I was no longer a hijabi at the time, so they couldn't tell I was a Muslim.

    Later a video emerged showing EDL protesters chanting "send the Black cunts home" (this was after the Lee Rigby muder), while Yaxley-Lennon stood by. Not once did he challenge them on their racism. I do not believe for a second that his main fight is with political Islam.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #19 - May 12, 2017, 12:55 AM
    It's quite obvious he sees muslims on the whole as a threat. In his mind the only good muslim is a none practising one, because islam if actually practised it an evil hateful ideology. I remember years ago randomly coming across him saying islam and nazism are two sides of the same coin. Yet some of the best people he's ever known are muslims. It's so contradictory. I'd be curious to pick his brain.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #20 - May 12, 2017, 04:26 PM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on May 11, 2017, 09:37 PM
    I remember a when thousands of EDL protesters came up to Newcastle a few years ago. I was living there at the time, so decided to pop over to the counter-protest. A pair of old ladies who had been over to their side of the demonstration and were neutral came up to speak to me about my views. I asked them if I would have been welcome at the EDL protest and their answer was "not a chance". Bear in mind that I was no longer a hijabi at the time, so they couldn't tell I was a Muslim.

    Later a video emerged showing EDL protesters chanting "send the Black cunts home" (this was after the Lee Rigby muder), while Yaxley-Lennon stood by. Not once did he challenge them on their racism. I do not believe for a second that his main fight is with political Islam.


    Exactly. He doesn't stand up against racism. He has the typical mind of a racist bigot, he hates Muslims and anyone coloured because to him they are all the same.

    Same way he is leading protests against Asian paedophiles but not mentioning the white ones. As if its exclusively a problem only in one community.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #21 - May 12, 2017, 05:15 PM
    It is actually a different problem though. White pedos tend to be solitary, it's rare you get more than two or three who know about it, and connecting via internet puts you through to scatterings globally. Actually having organised gangs like the pakistani ones is a whole other animal, which is why it's so shocking. We'll never understand why or how this happens without first acknowledging the different nature of it.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #22 - May 12, 2017, 05:56 PM
    If you feel talking to him will be interesting, its completely your choice. I just don't think he will change his views. And I don't think he likes ex-Muslims as many of us are people of colour and thats his real issue.

    I understand the issue behind the Asian paedophiles, but many like Tommy Robinson act like their own people don't have those problems.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #23 - May 12, 2017, 07:16 PM
    Quote from: NorthernArab on May 12, 2017, 05:56 PM
    If you feel talking to him will be interesting, its completely your choice. I just don't think he will change his views. And I don't think he likes ex-Muslims as many of us are people of colour and thats his real issue.

       dear NorthernArab dialogue is always important whether someone  is opposing  or supporting your views   or...whether someone likes you or not., These are issue oriented problems that affect society

    But dialogue with someone is different from giving platform or getting a guy  into a leadership position of an organization that you support ..   a perfect example is American Republican Party and their present President ..

    Quote
    I understand the issue behind the Asian paedophiles, but many like Tommy Robinson act like their own people don't have those problems.


    That is a good example ..  and it is very simple to expose and educate that  guy and his likes  on their  selective   blaming  of social ills on the basis of color of  a person..  

    with best wishes
    yeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #24 - May 12, 2017, 11:12 PM
    Several people have already attempted to have a dialogue with Yaxley-Lennon, yeezevee. Whenever this happened, he just proved himself to be a nasty piece of work with no interest in self-improvement. Every. Single. Time.

    Look at what happened to Quilliam, for an instance. Did they not attempt to open a dialogue with him and to give him a very good opportunity to better himself? Now they have all of his toxic hyena supporters at their throats. What anyone else does is their business, but I have no interest whatsoever in this man's redemption or in "helping" him in seeing the errors of his ways or whatever.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #25 - May 13, 2017, 03:03 AM
    Quote from: NorthernArab on May 12, 2017, 05:56 PM
    If you feel talking to him will be interesting, its completely your choice. I just don't think he will change his views. And I don't think he likes ex-Muslims as many of us are people of colour and thats his real issue


    I don't think I will change his views, nor do I feel a duty to do so. However, if I were to have a chat with him which was recorded and viewed by the public I would very much be aware of the potential audience, for example young (usually teens/early twenties) hindu or sikh men who are swayed by his rhetoric and think he's their friend, which has happened. It wouldn't be an attempt by me to reform him, but to show "This is what he really thinks".

    Quote from: NorthernArab on May 12, 2017, 05:56 PM
    I understand the issue behind the Asian paedophiles, but many like Tommy Robinson act like their own people don't have those problems.


    Suppose it depends who you define as "your" people.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #26 - May 13, 2017, 03:24 AM
    Quote from: NorthernArab on May 12, 2017, 05:56 PM
    many of us are people of colour and thats his real issue.


    Follow up, can I ask why you think that? I've known a fair few racists who actually do have a bias against their fellow humans simply because of their skin colour, or even same skin colour if you're the wrong ethnicity, and while Tommy does in fact give that same vibe, it really does seem to be directed at muslims solely because they are muslims.

    I said this to Unifier the other month, I'd be interested in your thoughts, if you'd care to give them?

    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on March 27, 2017, 01:33 AM
    I don't really think Tommy is a racist in the classical sense, that he has a problem with someone purely because of their ethnic makeup. While we have words for things like sexist, racist etc we don't have an equivalent word for discrimination based on someone's faith. Let's say for example we did have a word for it, let's call it religisism. Tommy is a religisist. If I see someone walking down the street wearing a hijab, I make the assumption that she's a muslim, I know nothing about this person and I make no assumptions outside of having enough knowledge of islam to figure she probably believes in monotheism, probably believes Mo was the seal of the prophets, the five pillars, doesn't believe Jesus is the son of god. Standard stuff. But I make no assumption whatsoever as to her mentality. I don't know if she's a good person or a bad person, a supporter of secular democracy or sharia. Tommy automatically sees her as a threat, or at least possible threat.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #27 - May 13, 2017, 08:32 AM
    Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on May 12, 2017, 11:12 PM
    Several people have already attempted to have a dialogue with Yaxley-Lennon, yeezevee. ...........

     Cheesy  is that his birth name?  i wonder what is on his driving licence...  Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)

    frankly speaking ..in these toxic times those who are opposing that guy actually giving him sympathy support  from  other groups that may not be racist .. his recent arrest seem  to get him more support

    As far as EDL concerned , THE NAME ITSELF IS NONSENSE .. what is that .nonsense. these fools are trying to protect dying English language?

    please look at his recent arrest tubes... you know the reason why trump likes become leaders in west using  right wing anti Islam  platform   is because  of EDL  type of organizational  initial boost., UK  has some  similarities.,  And there was  no  good  reason for Quilliam Nawaz to talk to this guy and giving platform at  https://www.quilliaminternational.com/about/staff/  Maazid nawaz was wrong even talking to this guy...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #28 - May 13, 2017, 10:00 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on May 13, 2017, 03:24 AM
    Follow up, can I ask why you think that? I've known a fair few racists who actually do have a bias against their fellow humans simply because of their skin colour, or even same skin colour if you're the wrong ethnicity, and while Tommy does in fact give that same vibe, it really does seem to be directed at muslims solely because they are muslims.

    I said this to Unifier the other month, I'd be interested in your thoughts, if you'd care to give them?



    It's easy for a racist to say "I'm only a fill-in-the-blankist" when that prejudice is more acceptable, especially when that prejudice just so happens to include a vast majority of people who happen to be members of a different race. Hell, its so easy to do that such people can even convince themselves that they're not racist. But to any sane outside observer, if it looks like a fish and talks like a fish...
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #29 - May 13, 2017, 12:21 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on May 13, 2017, 03:24 AM
    Follow up, can I ask why you think that? I've known a fair few racists who actually do have a bias against their fellow humans simply because of their skin colour, or even same skin colour if you're the wrong ethnicity, and while Tommy does in fact give that same vibe, it really does seem to be directed at muslims solely because they are muslims.

    I said this to Unifier the other month, I'd be interested in your thoughts, if you'd care to give them?



    As others said before me, he never told any of his followers not to chant racist things. He created the EDL as a white supremacist organisation. White supremacists all believe they are a 'dying race' and 'ignored', all things he seems to support, in my view. He makes everything into a colour thing. Asian paedos, not just a paedophile problem in general.

    And yes I know the Asian paedophiles had gangs, and were seen as 'untouchable' because of police not wanting to be seen as racist. But if they just arrested these people immediately, it wouldn't have created so much attention. White paedophiles seem to fly under the radar despite the fact its the same crime.

    I grew up in a white majority small town. He fuels people like that. Me being half white never saved me either because people see one thing. She looks foreign so we're going to pick on her. He made it ok for people to publicly shout nasty racist comments at people like me.
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