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  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #150 - November 04, 2008, 01:11 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 01:07 PM


    Does that make u happy?


    No, smart replies with back up makes me happy, being right or wrong doesn't matter to me.

    If you were able to prove me wrong I would be just as happy because I would have learnt something new.

    However I doubt you are capable of proving anything here.  You are just making claims, you claim there was more than 1 global extinction but refuse to prove that point.  Why did you bother coming if you are not prepared to make an effort to defend your theories?

    You should have stayed at your website where you could create articles that only you and a few nut cases accept and no one would have cared except to add you to "fundies say the darndest things" website.  Afro
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #151 - November 04, 2008, 01:16 PM
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    Ok, so can we now move to my topic? This the last time I am askin. email me when u grow up.


    Ok, so Noah's Flood never happened.  Islam is wrong, science proves it.  Fair enough, what's your next topic?
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #152 - November 04, 2008, 01:26 PM
    This guy is one crazy bottleneck wallah Smiley
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #153 - November 04, 2008, 01:30 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 01:03 PM


    Study the faith that u left b4 u hate it. Hate is a very bad thing. Do urself justice. I can mail u a Quran.


    Are you a fourteen year old, who spends too much time instant messaging?

    It's hard to take you seriously, you can't even be bothered to type out simple words.

    Go play with your Blackberry.


     015




    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I remain.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #154 - November 04, 2008, 01:46 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:52 PM

    1. Droughts 'may', 'may', 'may', 'may', 'may', 'may', 'may', 'may', 'may', 'may', 'may', 'may', have caused the extinction.



    "There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home" - Dorothy (Wizard of Oz) whilst eyes clenched shut.

    Have you got your ruby red shoes, I hear they help.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #155 - November 04, 2008, 02:00 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on November 04, 2008, 11:54 AM
    Quote
    I was doing so where Jihadist found me.


    Incidentally, where did Anti-Jihadist find you? It wasn't while looking in the mirror by any chance was it, AJ? Cheesy

     Cheesy Cheesy
    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #156 - November 04, 2008, 02:03 PM
    So is this guy taking the piss or what? We have a poll running on whether he's a Poe or not.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #157 - November 04, 2008, 02:13 PM
    Perhaps I lack knowledge on this topic but I have a question for AgainstScience (or anyone who could answer this for me)

    How can creationists believe in the Big Bang theory? I thought the whole Big Bang theory was tied in with evolution. How can creationists believe in evolution if Adam and Eve were around?

    The reason I ask AgainstScience this is because on his website, he has mentioned that Science has stolen the Big Bang theory from the Qur'an:

    Quote
    bang

    The 2006 Nobel award was given for the Big Bang theory described thus,- (I color coded to elaborate)

    "...that the universe began billions of years ago as a tiny dot that exploded into today’s huge system of stars and planets.."
    And Quran Science book -
    "..see that the heavens and earth were fused as one unit of creation , before We clove them asunder..." (Quran 21:30)

    We easily see that this so called science discovery is an exact word for word plagiarism from Allah's authoritative boastful, confident statement in the earlier Holy Quran Science book.

    So it's evident Scientists actually tapped the Big Bang Idea and our water origin from the 4th century Quran, to propose, promulgate, study and release the theories!


    Why is Prophet Mohammed not recognized by the Science comittee at large (Many individual scientists do), and accorded His due respect for first publishing this.

    He also first described in the Quran how the Universe continues to expand...they may have also stolen that from him/Quran.

    Quran: It is We who have built the universe with (Our creative) power, and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it. (The Winnowing ways/Scaterers, 51:47)

    The Quran goes further to first teach us with all confidence years before Science figured it out that all life began from water.

    Quran 21:30 Do the Unbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, before We clove them asunder? We made every living thing from water. Will they not then believe?


    Source: http://www.againstscience.com/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=7

    I am trying to figure out how the theories can be intertwined, but perhaps it's too much for my silly Atheist brain to handle, right AgainstScience  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #158 - November 04, 2008, 02:19 PM
    The Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution. Evolution is part of biology. The Big Bang is part of physics/cosmology. It's like cows and fish. Well not really like cows and fish because they're part of biology too, but I'm sure you get the drift.  Tongue
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #159 - November 04, 2008, 02:25 PM
    Thanks for clarifying that Os. Still don't see how it can tie in with Islam though.

    Care to educate me oh great Doctor AgainstScience? I have heard various Muslims' views on the theory in conjunction with Islam, but I'd very much like to hear your view.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #160 - November 04, 2008, 02:33 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 01:03 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on November 04, 2008, 12:59 PM
    Make up your mind, you can either spell or you can't, if you are going to act a specific part make it consistent or people will see straight through you.  whistling2


    Study the faith that u left b4 u hate it. Hate is a very bad thing. Do urself justice. I can mail u a Quran.


    Since when did Berbs say she hated the religion? And besides, it should be the other way round. You should study something BEFORE you believe in it. Blind belief is pretty pointless.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #161 - November 04, 2008, 02:35 PM
    Well anyway Burbles did study Islam thoroughly before leaving it. That's precisely why she did leave.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #162 - November 04, 2008, 02:37 PM
    Also, Os, I've read in a few sources that the Big Bang theory was the start of Cosmos and Evolution. Sure you can say that the Big Bang is cosmic/quantum science, and Evolution is very much Biological, but there is such thing as Cosmic Evolution too as far as I'm aware?

    Source: http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/cosmic_evolution/docs/splash.html
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #163 - November 04, 2008, 02:44 PM
    Different thing. I mean sure you can describe the formation of solar systems or whatever as "cosmic evolution" but that's an entirely different thing to the "Theory of Evolution". The first is more or less metaphorical while the latter is pretty strictly defined.  Creationists often confuse the two but then they rarely know much about either of them. Most of them don't even understand what they're trying to criticise.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #164 - November 04, 2008, 02:48 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 04, 2008, 02:44 PM
    Different thing. I mean sure you can describe the formation of solar systems or whatever as "cosmic evolution" but that's an entirely different thing to the "Theory of Evolution". The first is more or less metaphorical while the latter is pretty strictly defined.  Creationists often confuse the two but then they rarely know much about either of them. Most of them don't even understand what they're trying to criticise.


    But according to that model, the theory of evolution is included which highlights the biological aspect too: http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/cosmic_evolution/docs/fr_1/fr_1_bio.html

  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #165 - November 04, 2008, 03:02 PM
    Yeah ok, biology is part of the universe. No universe equals no critters. When creationists deny evolution they specifically target their idea of what Darwinian, biological evolution is. They don't give a rat's about the life cycle of stars or whatever, unless the timeframe buggers their pet story (which it sometimes does, of course).

    What bugs them is being apes and the idea of their pet doggy morphing into a brain-eating monster from outer space. They don't like shit like that so they try to build walls around "kinds" of critters. They have no real chance of doing this but they like to think they can. As soon as you push them on the details they're fucked.

    The main point is that stellar "evolution" is not tied in with or mutually dependent on biological evolution. I mean you could have what the "Old Earth Creationists" like: a deity poofing the universe into existence, followed by billions or whatever of years of cosmicy stuff, followed by poofing critters into existence in more or less their current forms.

    Or you could have the Young Earth Creationist scenario (which is even more batshit) or you could have what actually happened. That's why generally it's better to forget about calling cosmology "evolution" and why I said the use of the term in that sense was more or less metaphorical.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #166 - November 04, 2008, 03:37 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on November 04, 2008, 11:33 AM
    Typical creotard, indeed.  What's that quote from Dawkins, something like - "debating a creationist is like playing chess with a pigeon, it knocks over all the pieces, shits all over the board, and then flies quickly back off to its friends to claim victory."

     Cheesy

    Well shoot the bugger then, down the line, bottom barrel. I think that's a fair shot.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #167 - November 04, 2008, 04:07 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 11:15 AM
    There's nothing more to be said on this recent discovery of a ?flood bottleneck.

    Now can some1 open my thread so we move to the next topic.

    It's time I bring u guys to Islam. I kno u all were never technically Muslims b4.  Wink(apart from being born Muslim wc erry human is)



    Oh, now look: you haven't said anything about a flood bottleneck yet that holds water. You can't just muddy the water and expect everyone to drink it. Show us some evidence-you know like Scientists do everyday.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #168 - November 04, 2008, 04:11 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 11:27 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on November 04, 2008, 11:23 AM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 11:20 AM
    Send me 1 of those messages that get to my email when u decide to allow freedom in this joint.

    For now, I needn't waste no more time on this recent discovery of a bottleneck similar to the Quranic one, till scientists do some good work on it.

    Peace and illumination to u all. Afro


    Teenagers make assertions without basis. Scientists just discovered this bottleneck. Just. And my site said this, that it has just been discovered and likely will be found to be the flood bottleneck.

    That was pathetic, teenagers have done a better job at defending their position than you have.


    That's it for now. Islam teaches me to work with evidence as is available, not to confabulate. Yeah, strange to u right? U love confabulating. Cry


    For now, we wait.

    Message me when there's some freedom here.


    Well, that's a good idea Oz; providing AS watches Aubrey Manning's 'Earth Story' at least twice through before he comes back.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #169 - November 04, 2008, 04:24 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:28 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 04, 2008, 12:23 PM
    Ok, so you admit you have no genetic evidence for Noah's flood and you admit all the geological evidence is against Noah's flood. What is there to discuss then? The flood myth is kaput. Right?


    U r so sesperate.

    U are using ur claims to give urself a false state of security.

    Where did we find out that genetics did not support a bottleneck? There was a bottleneck supported by genetics, that's the discovery 70,000 years ago.

     Huh?

    So, let me help you out here. Where are the scientific papers that support your assertion then? Give us the references you've used so we can corroborate what you're saying.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #170 - November 04, 2008, 04:33 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on November 04, 2008, 01:26 PM
    This guy is one crazy bottleneck wallah Smiley

    As always, Jack   Cheesy
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #171 - November 04, 2008, 05:45 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on November 04, 2008, 01:11 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 01:07 PM


    Does that make u happy?


    .... being right or wrong doesn't matter to me.

    .....


    Like I thot.


    Aneeway, has freedom reigned here? Am I now free to post? Lemme go see......
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #172 - November 04, 2008, 05:48 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 05:45 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on November 04, 2008, 01:11 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 01:07 PM


    Does that make u happy?


    .... being right or wrong doesn't matter to me.

    .....


    Like I thot.


    Aneeway, has freedom reigned here? Am I now free to post? Lemme go see......


    Yes bruv
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #173 - November 04, 2008, 05:48 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 05:45 PM


    Like I thot.


    Aneeway, has freedom reigned here? Am I now free to post? Lemme go see......


    I have decided, you are definately the least intelligent person I have ever come across online or indeed in real life. That's an accomplishment at least  Afro

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #174 - November 04, 2008, 05:50 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on November 04, 2008, 02:13 PM
    Perhaps I lack knowledge on this topic but I have a question for AgainstScience (or anyone who could answer this for me)

    How can creationists believe in the Big Bang theory? I thought the whole Big Bang theory was tied in with evolution. How can creationists believe in evolution if Adam and Eve were around?

    ...


    Salam,

    A Moslem is neither a creationist nor an evolutionist. We know the origin of man was thru the 'Khalaqa'.
    I can best describe this as a bit of creation blended with a bit of guided 'evolution'.

    Allah is the leader of all science and scientists. He created us by evolving us from that clay particle. He evolved the earth from nothing to a miniscule unit to it all.

    Quran says-
    Quote
    The Noble Quran, 24:45
    And God has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. God creates what He wills for verily God has power over all things


    Now this is the statement scientists stole to propose their evolution theories and start research on it. Notice the stark similarity?
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #175 - November 04, 2008, 05:54 PM
    Allah forgot about insects, (six legs), and arachnids, (eight legs).  They must have evolved without Allah, I suppose. wacko
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #176 - November 04, 2008, 05:56 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on November 04, 2008, 05:54 PM
    Allah forgot about insects, (six legs), and arachnids, (eight legs).  They must have evolved without Allah, I suppose. wacko


    So sasperate.

    You wanted him to mention 1,000,000,0000 types, birds, bellies, swimmers, hoppers.....millions of animals in 60 volumes. No Allah doesn't spoon feed so to say, He likes u to ponder.

    Neeway, I kno u kidding with that statement.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #177 - November 04, 2008, 06:00 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 04, 2008, 02:35 PM
    Well anyway Burbles did study Islam thoroughly before leaving it. That's precisely why she did leave.


    And she's made it very plain elsewhere that she's very bitter about it, so that could easily be 'hate' - but I don't know why I'm stkng up 4 txt boi Smiley
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #178 - November 04, 2008, 06:02 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on November 04, 2008, 06:00 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 04, 2008, 02:35 PM
    Well anyway Burbles did study Islam thoroughly before leaving it. That's precisely why she did leave.


    And she's made it very plain elsewhere that she's very bitter about it, so that could easily be 'hate' - but I don't know why I'm stkng up 4 txt boi Smiley


    Oh ffs Jack  Roll Eyes
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #179 - November 04, 2008, 06:03 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 05:56 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on November 04, 2008, 05:54 PM
    Allah forgot about insects, (six legs), and arachnids, (eight legs).  They must have evolved without Allah, I suppose. wacko


    So sasperate.

    You wanted him to mention 1,000,000,0000 types, birds, bellies, swimmers, hoppers.....millions of animals in 60 volumes. No Allah doesn't spoon feed so to say, He likes u to ponder.

    Neeway, I kno u kidding with that statement.



    Did you ponder much over Allah? Or in your language - m8, is u thnkng Al-R b4 u cum mzlm?
    Ha Ha.
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