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  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #150 - November 07, 2008, 07:26 AM

    http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36733e7f482ba81beda85c3zp1.jpg
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #151 - November 07, 2008, 09:27 AM

    Yes I think Obama is a muslim but I also think Christian Bush gave many more concessions to islamists then Obama will ever be allowed to get away with.

    Obama's 'church' which he regularly attended every week, with his family, handed a lifetime achievement award to Farakhan. The 'church' accepts muslim membership. Obama never left islam. No one I know of who left islam, chose to immediately jump into a similar hateful doctrine unless he never left islam to begin with.

    Obama when he went to Kenya, as an american senator, a very heavyweight in that part of the world, he sat in his jihadi cousin's tribal meeting and was never critical of his cousin who was/is striving to bring Sharia into Kenya. Now the jihadi cousin has an American Predisent ally instead of just an American Senator ally.

    My issue with Obama is he actually thinks of himself as a progressive man of peace who can bridge the cultural gap. He will go in the middle east, he will make/give peace to some very unsavory peoeple. He will make peace and give concessions to the CAIRs, he will bend over backwards to please the hateful imams.

    Regardless which of the Two came to power, in this case Obama, it would be extremely healthy to not 'believe' in them. To question them. And to hold them accountable and be ready to attend protest rallies whenever feasible.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #152 - November 07, 2008, 09:49 AM

    Yes I think Obama is a muslim but I also think Christian Bush gave many more concessions to islamists then Obama will ever be allowed to get away with.

    Obama's 'church' which he regularly attended every week, with his family, handed a lifetime achievement award to Farakhan. The 'church' accepts muslim membership. Obama never left islam. No one I know of who left islam, chose to immediately jump into a similar hateful doctrine unless he never left islam to begin with.

    Well what does that say about Ali Sina then?


    Quote
    My issue with Obama is he actually thinks of himself as a progressive man of peace who can bridge the cultural gap. He will go in the middle east, he will make/give peace to some very unsavory peoeple. He will make peace and give concessions to the CAIRs, he will bend over backwards to please the hateful imams.

    So what is he then? A covert Muslim agent or a progressive liberal?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #153 - November 07, 2008, 03:03 PM

    One of the high-priests of neo-cons Alan Greenspan (retired) was questioned in congress and admitted that his view that entities are capable of governing and regulating themselves has failed him and he was at a loss to explain why, he said for 40yrs he saw tremendous evidence to the contrary of what happened in the last crisis.

    Entities being able to regulate themselves is a cornerstone of the free market. So we had policy maker after policy maker with good intentions over the decades preaching for self-regulation thinking they are doing good.



    Alan Greenspan hardly practiced what he preached on self-regulation as his chairmanship of the Federal Reserve was pretty much devoted to distorting market outcomes by dictating the interest rates and money supply.  Nor did Greenspan voice any free-market dogmatic opposition to the Clinton administration putting pressure on Fannie Mae to expand mortgage loans to low and middle income families.  Greenspan may have originally believed in free-markets but his time at the helm did not reflect that belief - possibly a case of power corrupting.

    Regards,
    Gonzo

    Meanie Greenie never believed that you immediately hand over self-regulation to people, he admitted he was slowly giving the 'freedom' to the institutions.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #154 - November 07, 2008, 03:11 PM

    Well what does that say about Ali Sina then?

    Hateful books and hateful material are bad and dangerous because, well, they do spread hate. What makes you think that Ali, or you and me for that matter are somehow immune from becoming hateful after being exposed to hateful material? We are not that immune, we are not that smart. And of all of us, Ali stayed the closest with the koran and the worse material (hadith & Sira) had to deal with the worst of the worst islamists had to send at him. I forgive Ali and really believe he needs a vacation from this.


    Quote
    My issue with Obama is he actually thinks of himself as a progressive man of peace who can bridge the cultural gap. He will go in the middle east, he will make/give peace to some very unsavory peoeple. He will make peace and give concessions to the CAIRs, he will bend over backwards to please the hateful imams.

    So what is he then? A covert Muslim agent or a progressive liberal?

    He is in it for himself. He will do the best job he can with the training and ideas he has about his world and capabilities. So far, in his short career so far, he stood by some very unsavory people. I have absolutely no reason to believe he will stop standing by and appeasing unsavory people.


    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #155 - November 07, 2008, 03:15 PM

    What makes you think that Ali, or you and me for that matter are somehow immune from becoming hateful after being exposed to hateful material? We are not that immune, we are not that smart.


    We're not? Are you saying I can't read Mein Kampf without being influenced? That I can't write it off as stupid shit? Wow.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #156 - November 07, 2008, 03:17 PM


    He is in it for himself. He will do the best job he can with the training and ideas he has about his world and capabilities. So far, in his short career so far, he stood by some very unsavory people. I have absolutely no reason to believe he will stop standing by and appeasing unsavory people.




    Here's that question you keep ignoring again Baal - If you were American and you had to vote for one of the two, who would it have been McCain or Obama? Obama, whatever you think of him, is a the optimistic choice, I can't see how that old man's supporters can justify there vote. Well, I can actually and I'm ever so glad they got their asses beat good and proper. Afro

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #157 - November 07, 2008, 05:30 PM

    http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_win_causes_obsessive

    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #158 - November 07, 2008, 05:34 PM

     Cheesy

    I love the onion.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #159 - November 07, 2008, 05:38 PM

    Have you seen The Onion Movie? It's great.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-u8oyZAgeY

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #160 - November 07, 2008, 06:06 PM

    No, I didn't even know there was an Onion movie.  I must get that, it looks hilarious.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #161 - November 07, 2008, 06:09 PM

    What makes you think that Ali, or you and me for that matter are somehow immune from becoming hateful after being exposed to hateful material? We are not that immune, we are not that smart.


    We're not? Are you saying I can't read Mein Kampf without being influenced? That I can't write it off as stupid shit? Wow.

    The counter-example your put forward is too weak. It does not address the issue that Mein Kampf is only One book. I am sorry but I will have to write-off that counter-example.

    I will however suggest that, yes, of course Mein Kampf can have a bad influence and you will have to mentally prepare yourself before delving into it. You will raise your mental shields and you handle it like you handle a germ. With all this preparation, you can probably benefit much more from reading MK then suffer bad effects. It will be like a short trip to some bad place where hopefully you will come back wiser and less naive about the world.

    Also to clarify with Ali, Ali had been studying the worst aspects of islam. The hateful aspects. Things that, the common muslim does not see even when he/she reads it.

    i.e.:the verse that states that a widow can not be inherited against her will unless she was witnessed committing fahisha.

    To a muslim, he will think this is a good verse that prevents slavery. To actually see the verse for what it is, would really hurt the brain of the muslim. Of course, the muslim will not be 100% unscathed, as the muslim had just been instructed that inheritance of people against their will *is possible*.

    To me, i see a verse that dooms widows to be inherited. Since fahisha is very loosely defined and all a woman has to do is get caught with a short skirt or having a coffee with a male 'Once' in her life, and that would doom her to get inherited after her husband's death.

    Do you see how in that context, the koran had a hateful influence on me, even more so then it had on the muslim? Luckily I do not believe in this material so i am still protected from the bad influence of the koran, but I am not that protected as I would like to think I am.

    As for the muslim, he is not protected at all, he had been instructed that this is the word of a god, and that he has to accept it. At best he can try to re-intrepet the text, usually by subconsciously failing to implement a correct logic on the text. But ultimately he will still be affected by the hate in that book.


    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #162 - November 07, 2008, 06:21 PM

    What makes you think that Ali, or you and me for that matter are somehow immune from becoming hateful after being exposed to hateful material? We are not that immune, we are not that smart.


    We're not? Are you saying I can't read Mein Kampf without being influenced? That I can't write it off as stupid shit? Wow.

    The counter-example your put forward is too weak. It does not address the issue that Mein Kampf is only One book. I am sorry but I will have to write-off that counter-example.

    I will however suggest that, yes, of course Mein Kampf can have a bad influence and you will have to mentally prepare yourself before delving into it. You will raise your mental shields and you handle it like you handle a germ. With all this preparation, you can probably benefit much more from reading MK then suffer bad effects. It will be like a short trip to some bad place where hopefully you will come back wiser and less naive about the world.

    Also to clarify with Ali, Ali had been studying the worst aspects of islam. The hateful aspects. Things that, the common muslim does not see even when he/she reads it.

    i.e.:the verse that states that a widow can not be inherited against her will unless she was witnessed committing fahisha.

    To a muslim, he will think this is a good verse that prevents slavery. To actually see the verse for what it is, would really hurt the brain of the muslim. Of course, the muslim will not be 100% unscathed, as the muslim had just been instructed that inheritance of people against their will *is possible*.

    To me, i see a verse that dooms widows to be inherited. Since fahisha is very loosely defined and all a woman has to do is get caught with a short skirt or having a coffee with a male 'Once' in her life, and that would doom her to get inherited after her husband's death.

    Do you see how in that context, the koran had a hateful influence on me, even more so then it had on the muslim? Luckily I do not believe in this material so i am still protected from the bad influence of the koran, but I am not that protected as I would like to think I am.

    As for the muslim, he is not protected at all, he had been instructed that this is the word of a god, and that he has to accept it. At best he can try to re-intrepet the text, usually by subconsciously failing to implement a correct logic on the text. But ultimately he will still be affected by the hate in that book.




    Go off topic if you must, by why so long and dull?


    What's not off topic is my question........still waiting. whistling2

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #163 - November 07, 2008, 10:46 PM

    the day after Obama wins - by dave Chapelle

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4gNQ5WQ60oE

    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #164 - November 08, 2008, 12:57 AM

    That came out before Obama was even running.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #165 - November 08, 2008, 09:29 AM

    Dizzee Rascal finally breaks his silence on Obama's victory Smiley

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americ ... 713237.stm


    I think his point about Hip Hop is interesting, shame he's not so articulate out of the recording studio, but it's nice to see an opinion from a real person rather than a stuffed shirt.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #166 - November 09, 2008, 03:37 PM

    There's an interesting piece in today's New York Times that I found sadly understandable. In a nut shell, it tells of young US Muslim Obama supporters who felt that showing their support for him might have proven counter-productive:  http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/nyregion/07muslims.html?fta=y

    One poignant quote that pretty well sums up their fears came from a headscarf-wearing New York University student who said: “I pretty much kept away, because I didn’t want to appear with an Obama button and have people look at me and say: ‘Oh, a Muslim girl supports him. Aha.’ ”

    I'm an atheist and have little, if any, sympathy with any religion per se: on the other hand, I can feel for a group that thinks its openly religious identity could be so harmful that even its support of democracy might be viewed with such suspicion that it would prove a drawback to the very cause the majority was rooting for.

    Best wishes. Neil


    We are not here to fight religion. We are here to make religion irrelevant. NM
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #167 - November 09, 2008, 03:56 PM

    Yeah, I've seen a joke somewhere, muslims say "We 'endorse' who we don't want to win".

    Remember when the U.S. released conversations they picked up from hacking into al-qaeda's emails? That they thought McCain was better for their cause of rallying the call to jihad, and that McCain would probably overstretch the army, weakening it, and fucking up the economy. When it was released, it was speculated that it was reverse psychology. It wasn't reverse psychology, it was a private conversation that was hacked into!

    Hopefully someday regular muslims can be seen for what they are, regular ass people, like the rest of us.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #168 - November 09, 2008, 05:33 PM

    There's an interesting piece in today's New York Times that I found sadly understandable. In a nut shell, it tells of young US Muslim Obama supporters who felt that showing their support for him might have proven counter-productive:  http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/nyregion/07muslims.html?fta=y

    One poignant quote that pretty well sums up their fears came from a headscarf-wearing New York University student who said: “I pretty much kept away, because I didn’t want to appear with an Obama button and have people look at me and say: ‘Oh, a Muslim girl supports him. Aha.’ ”

    I'm an atheist and have little, if any, sympathy with any religion per se: on the other hand, I can feel for a group that thinks its openly religious identity could be so harmful that even its support of democracy might be viewed with such suspicion that it would prove a drawback to the very cause the majority was rooting for.

    Best wishes. Neil



    Yes but something positive's happening here. Young muslims are becoming involved in the democratic process and thereby are laying down a challenge to the hierarchy that seeks to control them thro' religious conservatism.
    Doesn't mean to say that I don't sympathise with your situation, Awais. It's up to you when or if you want to rationalise your position.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #169 - November 09, 2008, 06:14 PM

    Doesn't mean to say that I don't sympathise with your situation, Awais. It's up to you when or if you want to rationalise your position.


    What?

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #170 - November 09, 2008, 09:00 PM

    Meanie Greenie never believed that you immediately hand over self-regulation to people, he admitted he was slowly giving the 'freedom' to the institutions.


    He obviously started with the wrong institutions. To go over to a free-market, it must start with education, and precautions that handle the laziness and other negatives that have come about through a security blanket that has come about through market regulation. It was obvious; that of the institutions have stagnates and are incompetent. People talk about greed, well; laziness is that form of greed.

    \\\\\\\"The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong.\\\\\\\"-Carl Jung
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #171 - November 10, 2008, 03:20 PM

    What's Next For Sarah?


    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #172 - November 10, 2008, 03:23 PM

    Quote
    What's Next For Sarah?


    Obscurity, I hope.  I can't believe people are seriously touting that creationist clothes horse who can't name a newspaper as  Presidential candidate for 2012. wacko

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #173 - November 10, 2008, 03:24 PM

    What's Next For Sarah?

    (Clicky for piccy!)



    Looks like she'd up against the firing squad, so hopefully, after she slumps to the floor, that'll be the last of her. Smiley

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #174 - November 10, 2008, 09:42 PM

    Can you laugh about this?


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  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #175 - November 10, 2008, 10:13 PM

     Cheesy Cheesy

    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #176 - November 11, 2008, 12:32 AM

     Cheesy
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #177 - November 11, 2008, 12:40 AM

    Can you laugh about this?

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    Oh god... she looks hot doing that. Well, they did want her to be a milf.  wacko

    \\\\\\\"The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong.\\\\\\\"-Carl Jung
  • Re: Well, Obama did it.
     Reply #178 - November 11, 2008, 06:52 AM

    Fucking is all she's good for. Anyway it turns out the stupid tart is responsible for some assassination threats against Obama and his family. No, she didn't arrange them directly by she sure was the motivating force behind them.

    Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama

    The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.

    The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.

    But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.

    The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.

    Michelle Obama, the future First Lady, was so upset that she turned to her friend and campaign adviser Valerie Jarrett and said: "Why would they try to make people hate us?"

    The revelations, contained in a Newsweek history of the campaign, are likely to further damage Mrs Palin's credentials as a future presidential candidate. She is already a frontrunner, with Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, to take on Mr Obama in four years time.

    Details of the spike in threats to Mr Obama come as a report last week by security and intelligence analysts Stratfor, warned that he is a high risk target for racist gunmen. It concluded: "Two plots to assassinate Obama were broken up during the campaign season, and several more remain under investigation. We would expect federal authorities to uncover many more plots to attack the president that have been hatched by white supremacist ideologues."

    Irate John McCain aides, who blame Mrs Palin for losing the election, claim Mrs Palin took it upon herself to question Mr Obama's patriotism, before the line of attack had been cleared by Mr McCain.

    That claim is part of a campaign of targeted leaks designed to torpedo her ambitions, with claims that she did not know that Africawas a continent rather than a country.

    The advisers have branded her a "diva" and a "whack job" and claimed that she did not know which other countries are in the North American Free Trade Area, (Canada and Mexico). They say she spent more than $150,000 on designer clothes, including $40,000 on her husband Todd and that she refused to prepare for the disastrous series of interviews with CBS's Katie Couric.

    In a bid to salvage her reputation Mrs Palin came out firing in an interview with CNN, dismissing the anonymous leakers in unpresidential language as "jerks" who had taken "questions or comments I made in debate prep out of context."

    She said: "I consider it cowardly. It's not true. That's cruel, it's mean-spirited, it's immature, it's unprofessional and those guys are jerks if they came away taking things out of context and then tried to spread something on national news that's not fair and not right."

    She was not asked about her incendiary rhetoric against Mr Obama. But she did deny the spending spree claims, saying the clothes in question had been returned to the Republican National Committee. "Those are the RNC's clothes, they're not my clothes. I asked for anything more than maybe a diet Dr Pepper once in a while. These are false allegations."

    Speaking as she returned to her native Alaska, Mrs Palin claimed to be baffled by what she claims was sexism on the national stage. "Here in Alaska that double standard isn't applied because these guys know that Alaskan women are pretty tough, on a par with the men in terms of being outdoors, working hard," she said.

    "They're commercial fishermen, they're pilots, they're working up on the North slopein the oil fields. You see equality in Alaska. I think that was a bit of as surprise on the national level."

    Check her hypocrisy in the video (link from the headline) compared to what she was saying during the election campaign. Roll Eyes

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Pure right wing tard.
     Reply #179 - November 11, 2008, 07:03 AM

    This is totally awesome, and what's more it really is indicative of the attitudes of some people in the US.

    An Examination of Obama’s Use of Hidden Hypnosis Techniques in His Speeches

    THE EVIDENCE IS HERE:  This document contains over 60 pages of evidence
    and analysis proving Barack Obama’s use of a little-known and highly deceptive
    and manipulative form of “hack” hypnosis on millions of unaware Americans,
    and reveals what only a few psychologists and hypnosis/NLP experts know.
    Barack Obama’s speeches contain the hypnosis techniques of Dr. Milton Erickson, M.D. who developed a
    form of “conversational” hypnosis that could be hidden in seemingly normal speech and used on patients
    without their knowledge for therapy purposes.  Obama’s speeches intentionally contain:
     
    -  Trance Inductions 
    -  Hypnotic Anchoring
    -  Pacing and Leading 
    -  Pacing, Distraction and Utilization
    -  Critical Factor Bypass
    -  Stacking Language Patterns
    -  Preprogrammed Response Adaptation
    -  Linking Statements/ Causality Bridges
    -  Secondary Hidden Meanings/Imbedded Suggestions
    -  Emotion Transfer
    -  Non-Dominant Hemisphere Programming

    Obama’s techniques are the height of deception and psychological manipulation, remaining hidden because
    one must understand the science behind the language patterns in order to spot them.  This document
    examines Obama’s speeches word by word, hand gesture by hand gesture, tone, pauses, body language, and
    proves his use of covert hypnosis intended only for licensed therapists on consenting patients.  Obama’s
    mesmerized, cult-like, grade-school-crush-like worship by millions is not because “Obama is the greatest
    leader of a generation” who simply hasn’t accomplished anything, who magically “inspires” by giving
    speeches.  Obama is committing perhaps the biggest fraud and deception in American history.   
    Obama is not just using subliminal messages, but textbook covert hypnosis and neuro-linguistic
    programming techniques on audiences that are intentionally designed to sideline rational judgment and
    implant subconscious commands to think he is wonderful and elect him President.  Obama is eloquent. 
    However, Obama’s subconscious techniques are shown to elicit powerful emotion from his audience and
    then transfer those emotions onto him, to sideline rational judgment, and implant hypnotic commands that
    we are unaware of and can’t even consciously question.  The polls are misleading because some of Obama’s
    commands are designed to be triggered only in the voting booth on November 4th.  Obama is immune to
    logical arguments like Wright, Ayers, shifting every position, character, and inexperience, because hypnosis
    affects us on an unconscious and emotional level.  To many people who see this unaccomplished man’s
    unnatural and irrational rise to the highest office in the world as suspicious and frightening and to those who
    welcome it, this document uncovers, explains, and proves the deceptive tactics behind true “Obama
    Phenomenon” including why younger people are more easily affected.   

    The whole thing goes on for 67 pages and it's all true I tells ya! Cheesy

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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