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  • Houri/black eyed virgins
     OP - January 05, 2009, 04:17 PM

    What does 'Houri' literally translate as, does anyone know? Is it 'virgin' or (as I am being assured by my sister) 'a person with no baggage'?? Sounds crap to me - not all that enticing either, if you be good, you'll be rewarded with 72 black eyed baggageless people! She also says this amazing prize is open for both men and women, is that correct? What an offer! Where do I sign  Cry

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #1 - January 05, 2009, 04:24 PM

    She's right - it means a beautiful virgin from paradise. 

    The nearest place to sign is at the Pink Flamingo at 2am in Milton Keynes - however one essential prerequisite is signing whilst wearing your beer glasses.  Oh, and I nearly forgot -  they might not be virgins...

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  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #2 - January 05, 2009, 04:26 PM

    i forget, i was asking about what hawwari meant (as in jesus's disciples are described as "hawwariyoon"), and the brother told me it was related to houri, but i can't remember what the root meant.

    where's my dictionary..

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  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #3 - January 05, 2009, 04:31 PM

    What does 'Houri' literally translate as, does anyone know? Is it 'virgin' or (as I am being assured by my sister) 'a person with no baggage'?? Sounds crap to me - not all that enticing either, if you be good, you'll be rewarded with 72 black eyed baggageless people! She also says this amazing prize is open for both men and women, is that correct? What an offer! Where do I sign  Cry

    Both men and women? I haven't seen any quotes in the Quran indicating women will get anything of the sort :S Only seen quotes for men. Also why would a women want a virgin man anyway, I prefer experienced men Tongue I'm sure most men would prefer sluts who know what they are doing too Tongue

    Can anyone point me to a quote about what women will receive? All I have seen so far is they are reunited with their family.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #4 - January 05, 2009, 04:44 PM

    Can anyone point me to a quote about what women will receive? All I have seen so far is they are reunited with their family.

    I'm trying to find a lewd quote I read about 'big black cocks spouting candy kauthar'... can't find it.

    Realistically, I've heard that the muslim women in paradise will be more beautiful than the houris, and their husbands will want to spend more time with them... and single ladies will get married in jannah... and the space left open with "You cannot comprehend the joys of jannah"

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  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #5 - January 05, 2009, 04:46 PM

    Your right women recieve fuck all sex wise whilst men get 70 hot babes to bang forever. I think Arabs at the time (and today) had an obsession with virgins not becuase the sex was any better but because they'd prefer that which hadn't been touched by others, i.e. they saw women as objects to possess rather then people.

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #6 - January 05, 2009, 04:50 PM

    What does 'Houri' literally translate as, does anyone know? Is it 'virgin' or (as I am being assured by my sister) 'a person with no baggage'?? Sounds crap to me - not all that enticing either, if you be good, you'll be rewarded with 72 black eyed baggageless people! She also says this amazing prize is open for both men and women, is that correct? What an offer! Where do I sign  Cry


    I once heard an Imaam saying that the houri referred to in scripture that men will get are 'white raisins'

    Apparently you can derive this meaning from the root of the word.

    So when the prophet promised houris in heaven for those martyred in battle to protect Islam and his soldiers went out to fight they must have really longed for raisins.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #7 - January 05, 2009, 04:53 PM

    I once heard an Imaam saying that the houri referred to in scripture that men will get are 'white raisins'

    you really heard this? i was sure that this was something new that some missionary found that's what it means in aramaic.

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  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #8 - January 05, 2009, 05:00 PM

    I'm trying to find a lewd quote I read about 'big black cocks spouting candy kauthar'... can't find it.

    either it was from Michael Muhammad Knight, or some sister's story of MuslimWakeUp that isn't available anymore... argh.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #9 - January 05, 2009, 05:03 PM

    http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/608

    ^response to the question on what rewards women get in paradise (fatwa-ish)

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  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #10 - January 05, 2009, 05:03 PM

    I've heard it was white grapes but that translation comes from the Syro-Aramaic reading of the Quran, which is not the language the Quran was written in. However it does make some interesting translation changes such as the verse telling women to cover themselves in the original translates differently commanding women to "snap their belts around their waists" Tongue

    There is a wiki article on this-
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Syro-Aramaic_Reading_Of_The_Koran
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #11 - January 05, 2009, 05:08 PM

    Your right women recieve fuck all sex wise whilst men get 70 hot babes to bang forever. I think Arabs at the time (and today) had an obsession with virgins not becuase the sex was any better but because they'd prefer that which hadn't been touched by others, i.e. they saw women as objects to possess rather then people.



    Put some clothes on boy!

    Women must be promised something? Not even an Aga?

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #12 - January 05, 2009, 05:12 PM

    http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/608

    ^response to the question on what rewards women get in paradise (fatwa-ish)

    Compared to the verses that are solely for men that is rather disappointing.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #13 - January 06, 2009, 11:02 AM

    So no one knows the literal translation of Houri?

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #14 - January 06, 2009, 12:09 PM

    Quote from: Muhammad Asad on Surah 56:22 footnote 8,
    "The noun hur - rendered by me as 'companions pure' -  is a plural of both ahwar (masc) and hawra (fem), either of which describes 'a person distinguished by hawar, which latter term primarily denotes 'intense whiteness of the eyeballs and lustrous black of the iris' (Qamus).


    Quote from: Yusuf Ali on Surah XLIV:54 footnote 4729,
    Hur implies the following ideas: (1) purity; possibly the word Hawwariyun as applied to the first Disciples of Jesus is connected with this root; (2) beauty, especially of eyes where the intense white of the eye-balls stands out against the intense black of the pupil, thus giving the appearance of lustre, and intense feeling, as opposed to dullness or want of expression; and (3) truth and goodwill.


    Quote from: Amina Wadud in Qur'an and Woman: Rereading the Sacred Text from a Woman's Perspective, Oxford University Press, 1999, pp. 54-55
    It is clear that the term huri, used in the (idhafah) construction hur-al-'ayn, meant something specific to the Jahili Arab. She was 'so called by the Arabs of the desert because of her whiteness or fairness or cleanness'. She was a woman of 'clear complexion and skin'.[41] The description given of the huri are specific and sensual - youthful virgin females with large dark eyes, white skin, and a pliant character - 'while nowhere?are found similar descriptions detailing, if not the beauty, at least the modest or even perhaps hidden assets of earthly wives'.[42]

    The specific depiction here of the companions of Paradise demonstrates the Qur'an's familiarity with the dreams and desires of those Arabs. The Qur'an offers the huri as an incentive to aspire after truth. It is impossible to believe that the Qur'an intends white women with large eyes to represent a single universal description of beauty for all humankind. If we take these mythological depictions universally as the ideal female, a number of culturally specific limitations are forced on the divergent audiences of the Qur'an. The value of these particulars is extremely limited.

    The Qur'an itself demonstrates the limitation of this particular description when the community of believers in Islam had increased in number and established itself at Madinah. After the Makkan period, the Qur'an never uses this term again to depict the companions in Paradise. After Madinah, it describes the companions of Paradise in generic terms, 'For those who keep from evil, with their Lord are Gardens underneath which rivers flow, and pure azwaj and contentment from Allah.' (3:15). Keeping in mind my arguments about the generic use of certain terms, 'believers' here are either male or female, especially as azwaj is used for both in the Qur'an.

    41 Edward William Lane, An Arabic-English Lexicon, 8 vols. (London: Librarie du Liban, 1980), Part Jim To Ta, p.666
    42 Fatna A Sabbah, Woman in the Muslim Unconscious, translated by Mary Jo Lakeland from the French, La Femme dans l'inconscient Musulman (New York: Pergamon Press, 1984) p.95


    Sounds like a very specific image of beauty.

    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #15 - January 06, 2009, 03:05 PM

    Quote from: Muhammad Asad on Surah 56:22 footnote 8,
    "The noun hur - rendered by me as 'companions pure' -  is a plural of both ahwar (masc) and hawra (fem), either of which describes 'a person distinguished by hawar, which latter term primarily denotes 'intense whiteness of the eyeballs and lustrous black of the iris' (Qamus).


    Quote from: Yusuf Ali on Surah XLIV:54 footnote 4729,
    Hur implies the following ideas: (1) purity; possibly the word Hawwariyun as applied to the first Disciples of Jesus is connected with this root; (2) beauty, especially of eyes where the intense white of the eye-balls stands out against the intense black of the pupil, thus giving the appearance of lustre, and intense feeling, as opposed to dullness or want of expression; and (3) truth and goodwill.


    Quote from: Amina Wadud in Qur'an and Woman: Rereading the Sacred Text from a Woman's Perspective, Oxford University Press, 1999, pp. 54-55
    It is clear that the term huri, used in the (idhafah) construction hur-al-'ayn, meant something specific to the Jahili Arab. She was 'so called by the Arabs of the desert because of her whiteness or fairness or cleanness'. She was a woman of 'clear complexion and skin'.[41] The description given of the huri are specific and sensual - youthful virgin females with large dark eyes, white skin, and a pliant character - 'while nowhere?are found similar descriptions detailing, if not the beauty, at least the modest or even perhaps hidden assets of earthly wives'.[42]

    The specific depiction here of the companions of Paradise demonstrates the Qur'an's familiarity with the dreams and desires of those Arabs. The Qur'an offers the huri as an incentive to aspire after truth. It is impossible to believe that the Qur'an intends white women with large eyes to represent a single universal description of beauty for all humankind. If we take these mythological depictions universally as the ideal female, a number of culturally specific limitations are forced on the divergent audiences of the Qur'an. The value of these particulars is extremely limited.

    The Qur'an itself demonstrates the limitation of this particular description when the community of believers in Islam had increased in number and established itself at Madinah. After the Makkan period, the Qur'an never uses this term again to depict the companions in Paradise. After Madinah, it describes the companions of Paradise in generic terms, 'For those who keep from evil, with their Lord are Gardens underneath which rivers flow, and pure azwaj and contentment from Allah.' (3:15). Keeping in mind my arguments about the generic use of certain terms, 'believers' here are either male or female, especially as azwaj is used for both in the Qur'an.

    41 Edward William Lane, An Arabic-English Lexicon, 8 vols. (London: Librarie du Liban, 1980), Part Jim To Ta, p.666
    42 Fatna A Sabbah, Woman in the Muslim Unconscious, translated by Mary Jo Lakeland from the French, La Femme dans l'inconscient Musulman (New York: Pergamon Press, 1984) p.95


    Sounds like a very specific image of beauty.


    Thanks. Good old God sure liked to talk in riddles, didn't he?

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #16 - January 06, 2009, 07:56 PM

    Dear Jack,

    You will eat your own balls as a punishment if you don't believe in Me. By balls I don't mean your toys. I mean your nuts. By nuts I don't mean the ones that fall off trees. I mean your marbles or orbs. By marbles or orbs I don't mean the ones that come from glass factories. I mean your tatties. By tatties I don't mean the ones you're served in a restaurant.
    I mean your - goddamnit, why are human languages so ambiguous?! finmad

    No more revelations for you! I'm deeply sorry for all the mess the existing ones caused.

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  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #17 - January 06, 2009, 11:29 PM

    Dear Jack,

    You will eat your own balls as a punishment if you don't believe in Me. By balls I don't mean your toys. I mean your nuts. By nuts I don't mean the ones that fall off trees. I mean your marbles or orbs. By marbles or orbs I don't mean the ones that come from glass factories. I mean your tatties. By tatties I don't mean the ones you're served in a restaurant.
    I mean your - goddamnit, why are human languages so ambiguous?! finmad

    No more revelations for you! I'm deeply sorry for all the mess the existing ones caused.

    Love,
    God

    Dear God,

    You have to really keep explaining it for this one, I am afraid for jack it is all just an empty sack. And by sack I do not mean a golf ball holder, I mean the wrinkled leatherbag, and by wrinkled leatherbag I do not mean his gucci purse, I mean the squishy part in his fruit basket, and by fruit backet I do not mean a slice of melon, a dried prune and a banana, and by dried prune I do not mean the fruit.

    Slaving Worship,
    Baal.
    And by Baal I don't mean Balls.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #18 - January 07, 2009, 01:07 AM

    Well if you like being able to see her bones through her skin because she is so transparent, than a houri is the one for you.

    Quote
    Volume 4, Book 54, Number 469: Bukhari

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "The first batch (of people) who will enter Paradise will be (glittering) like a full moon; and those who will enter next will be (glittering) like the brightest star. Their hearts will be as if the heart of a single man, for they will have no enmity amongst themselves, and everyone of them shall have two wives, each of whom will be so beautiful, pure and transparent that the marrow of the bones of their legs will be seen through the flesh. They will be glorifying Allah in the morning and evening, and will never fall ill, and they will neither blow their noses, nor spit. Their utensils will be of gold and silver, and their combs will be of gold, and the fuel used in their >s will be the aloes-wood, and their sweat will smell like musk."

     

    Plus, bollocks on the whole "for men and women".  It's men only, married women get to be with their first hubbies, and share him with the see through bug eyed bleedin bimbos, doesn't matter what she wants in heaven.

    I asked the imam, I said "what if I don't want to be with my first husband in heaven" and he told me that when I get to heaven the things that I want wouldn't matter anymore because I wouldn't want them.  I would feel no anger, resentment, jealousy, I would just feel bliss.  So basically I would be a bit part actor in a cheap harem porn, just saying my lines, with no conscious thought at all.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #19 - January 07, 2009, 08:36 AM

    I asked the imam, I said "what if I don't want to be with my first husband in heaven" and he told me that when I get to heaven the things that I want wouldn't matter anymore because I wouldn't want them.  I would feel no anger, resentment, jealousy, I would just feel bliss.  So basically I would be a bit part actor in a cheap harem porn, just saying my lines, with no conscious thought at all.


    You will be made to be happy. Prepare to be Stepford'ed!

    Well if you like being able to see her bones through her skin because she is so transparent, than a houri is the one for you.

    Yah, I thought, "I guess that will be hot... maybe it I will be made to think it's hot...?"

    Abdalwali beat me, yeah, it's stark whiteness contrast to black of the eyes.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #20 - January 07, 2009, 08:43 AM

    Dear Jack,

    You will eat your own balls as a punishment if you don't believe in Me. By balls I don't mean your toys. I mean your nuts. By nuts I don't mean the ones that fall off trees. I mean your marbles or orbs. By marbles or orbs I don't mean the ones that come from glass factories. I mean your tatties. By tatties I don't mean the ones you're served in a restaurant.
    I mean your - goddamnit, why are human languages so ambiguous?! finmad

    No more revelations for you! I'm deeply sorry for all the mess the existing ones caused.

    Love,
    God

    Dear God,

    You have to really keep explaining it for this one, I am afraid for jack it is all just an empty sack. And by sack I do not mean a golf ball holder, I mean the wrinkled leatherbag, and by wrinkled leatherbag I do not mean his gucci purse, I mean the squishy part in his fruit basket, and by fruit backet I do not mean a slice of melon, a dried prune and a banana, and by dried prune I do not mean the fruit.

    Slaving Worship,
    Baal.
    And by Baal I don't mean Balls.



    No, Baal, you can't be funny, you need a sense of humour. You're just 'funny'. Now go an untie the guy you whose drink you spiked last night and let him go. Why are you still here, freak. Isn't thbeir a boy in accounts you can practise your english on?

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #21 - January 07, 2009, 08:45 AM

    Dear Jack,

    You will eat your own balls as a punishment if you don't believe in Me. By balls I don't mean your toys. I mean your nuts. By nuts I don't mean the ones that fall off trees. I mean your marbles or orbs. By marbles or orbs I don't mean the ones that come from glass factories. I mean your tatties. By tatties I don't mean the ones you're served in a restaurant.
    I mean your - goddamnit, why are human languages so ambiguous?! finmad

    No more revelations for you! I'm deeply sorry for all the mess the existing ones caused.

    Love,
    God



    Dear God, thanks for the explanation.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #22 - January 07, 2009, 09:06 AM

    Well according to Imam Tirmizi a houri is defined as folows:

    Tirmizi, volume two (p 35-40): A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like red wine in a white glass. She is of white colour, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child bearing and the related pollution. A houri is a girl of tender age, having large breasts which are round (pointed), and not inclined to dangle. Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings. The Prophet was asked :'Do we have sex in Paradise?' He answered: 'Yes, by him who holds my soul in his hand, and it will be done dahman, dahman (with vigour). And when it is finished she will return pure and virgin again.

    Its a bit confusing though. He says she has 'a transparent body' then she looks like 'red wine', then he says 'She is white'. Quite confusing.

    You can see through to her marrow. Sounds disgusting.

    Of course ther no menstruation so nothing to impede the man.

    A tender age with large pointed breasts quite enticing if that's your cup of tea.

    They live in oppulent palaces, so we get a different scenery as we visit each one.

    And sex with them is quite vigourous! And when its done they return to being pure virgins.

    I can see how those who belived this did not mind fighting to the death.

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  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #23 - January 07, 2009, 11:04 AM

    Well if you like being able to see her bones through her skin because she is so transparent, than a houri is the one for you.

    Quote
    Volume 4, Book 54, Number 469: Bukhari

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "The first batch (of people) who will enter Paradise will be (glittering) like a full moon; and those who will enter next will be (glittering) like the brightest star. Their hearts will be as if the heart of a single man, for they will have no enmity amongst themselves, and everyone of them shall have two wives, each of whom will be so beautiful, pure and transparent that the marrow of the bones of their legs will be seen through the flesh. They will be glorifying Allah in the morning and evening, and will never fall ill, and they will neither blow their noses, nor spit. Their utensils will be of gold and silver, and their combs will be of gold, and the fuel used in their >s will be the aloes-wood, and their sweat will smell like musk."

     

    Plus, bollocks on the whole "for men and women".  It's men only, married women get to be with their first hubbies, and share him with the see through bug eyed bleedin bimbos, doesn't matter what she wants in heaven.

    I asked the imam, I said "what if I don't want to be with my first husband in heaven" and he told me that when I get to heaven the things that I want wouldn't matter anymore because I wouldn't want them.  I would feel no anger, resentment, jealousy, I would just feel bliss.  So basically I would be a bit part actor in a cheap harem porn, just saying my lines, with no conscious thought at all.

    Whatever happened to our free will? I thought that's was God's 'gift' to us? Did God decide to change his mind?

    Heaven sounds ridiculous, it is not better than a whore house full of women with no dignity (because God took it away from us). No thank you God, I would rather burn in the fires of hell as long as I can keep my mind and dignity which is rightfully mine.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #24 - January 07, 2009, 01:53 PM

    I would rather burn in the fires of hell as long as I can keep my mind and dignity which is rightfully mine.



    i bet that isn't really true, I reckon a couple of seconds of roasting and you wouldn't give a fuck about your dignity. Smiley

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #25 - January 07, 2009, 01:57 PM

    I would rather burn in the fires of hell as long as I can keep my mind and dignity which is rightfully mine.



    i bet that isn't really true, I reckon a couple of seconds of roasting and you wouldn't give a fuck about your dignity. Smiley

    Probably Tongue
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #26 - January 07, 2009, 02:06 PM

    I would rather burn in the fires of hell as long as I can keep my mind and dignity which is rightfully mine.



    i bet that isn't really true, I reckon a couple of seconds of roasting and you wouldn't give a fuck about your dignity. Smiley

    Probably Tongue



    me too! Smiley

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #27 - January 07, 2009, 02:07 PM

    Pussies.  Tongue

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #28 - January 07, 2009, 02:10 PM

    Pussies.  Tongue

    You agree, admit it Tongue
  • Re: Houri/black eyed virgins
     Reply #29 - January 07, 2009, 02:13 PM



    Well I would try to hold out for as long as possible lol then I would say whatever needs to be said to get out there, but then I would try to take god out with my band of rebels.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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