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  • People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     OP - January 19, 2009, 01:09 PM
    Does anyone know of any good examples of people throughout history who have tried to reach the Quran's challenge of asking others to imitate even 3 lines of it? I know there have been some who died for it but I'm having trouble finding them. Anybody know any which are well backed up facts?
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #1 - January 19, 2009, 01:29 PM
    http://abulahab.blogspot.com/


    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #2 - January 19, 2009, 01:46 PM
    Quote from: Emerald on January 19, 2009, 01:29 PM
    http://abulahab.blogspot.com/

    Unfortunately I do not understand urdu. I need something in English.
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  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #3 - January 19, 2009, 01:52 PM
    That's Arabic,

    I think those who want to imitate Quran should do it in Arabic, cuz most Muslims claim that the beauty of Quran and it's eloquence exist in its original Arabic text.


    I'll see if I stopped by an Engl source.
    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #4 - January 19, 2009, 02:00 PM
    Quote from: Emerald on January 19, 2009, 01:52 PM
    That's Arabic,

    I think those who want to imitate Quran should do it in Arabic, cuz most Muslims claim that the beauty of Quran and it's eloquence exist in its original Arabic text.


    I'll see if I stopped by an Engl source.

    Oops! I should really start relearning reading Arabic, I cant even recognise it any more Tongue

    It's a shame I cant understand it, that would have been an interesting site to explore.

    What I was asking though are articles about people who have tried to imitate the Quran and whether they suffered because of it.

    Also does Satan count? Because he has met the challenge already...
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #5 - January 19, 2009, 02:07 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 19, 2009, 01:09 PM
    Does anyone know of any good examples of people throughout history who have tried to reach the Quran's challenge of asking others to imitate even 3 lines of it? I know there have been some who died for it but I'm having trouble finding them. Anybody know any which are well backed up facts?

    I think Baal once posted about this. It's called the Furqan.

    http://www.islam-exposed.org/
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #6 - January 19, 2009, 02:14 PM
    Quote from: Zaephon on January 19, 2009, 02:07 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 19, 2009, 01:09 PM
    Does anyone know of any good examples of people throughout history who have tried to reach the Quran's challenge of asking others to imitate even 3 lines of it? I know there have been some who died for it but I'm having trouble finding them. Anybody know any which are well backed up facts?

    I think Baal once posted about this. It's called the Furqan.

    http://www.islam-exposed.org/

    That's helpful. Although does that rhyme when read in Arabic?
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #7 - January 19, 2009, 02:42 PM
    http://suralikeit.com/
    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #8 - January 19, 2009, 06:32 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 19, 2009, 02:14 PM
    Quote from: Zaephon on January 19, 2009, 02:07 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 19, 2009, 01:09 PM
    Does anyone know of any good examples of people throughout history who have tried to reach the Quran's challenge of asking others to imitate even 3 lines of it? I know there have been some who died for it but I'm having trouble finding them. Anybody know any which are well backed up facts?

    I think Baal once posted about this. It's called the Furqan.

    http://www.islam-exposed.org/

    That's helpful. Although does that rhyme when read in Arabic?

    I wouldn't have any idea.  Huh?
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #9 - January 19, 2009, 06:54 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 19, 2009, 01:09 PM
    Does anyone know of any good examples of people throughout history who have tried to reach the Quran's challenge of asking others to imitate even 3 lines of it? I know there have been some who died for it but I'm having trouble finding them. Anybody know any which are well backed up facts?


    Our very own Al-ARazi posted some good - and funny - verses here a while ago - don't know if that thread is still available.

    I think it was pretty good - but as I said before such judgments about what is better or not when dealing with beauty and style in language is very subjective.

    Personally I like the style and language of Alice in Wonderland is as good as the Qur'an and there's nothing about killing unbelievers or sending ppl to hell.
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #10 - January 19, 2009, 06:58 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on January 19, 2009, 06:54 PM
    Personally I like the style and language of Alice in Wonderland is as good as the Qur'an and there's nothing about killing unbelievers or sending ppl to hell.

     Cheesy I would have to agree there Tongue
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    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #11 - January 19, 2009, 07:15 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 19, 2009, 06:58 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on January 19, 2009, 06:54 PM
    Personally I like the style and language of Alice in Wonderland is as good as the Qur'an and there's nothing about killing unbelievers or sending ppl to hell.

     Cheesy I would have to agree there Tongue


    They were both written by paedophiles though. 

    (Sorry, sorry.  I couldn't resist  Run for the hills ).
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #12 - January 19, 2009, 07:19 PM
    Quote from: Emerald on January 19, 2009, 01:52 PM
    Quote
    Unfortunately I do not understand urdu

    That's Arabic

     Cheesy
    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #13 - January 19, 2009, 08:15 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on January 19, 2009, 07:15 PM


    They were both written by paedophiles though. 




    Lewis Carrol was a paedophile?
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #14 - January 19, 2009, 08:28 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on January 19, 2009, 08:15 PM
    Lewis Carrol was a paedophile?

    There is no conclusive proof.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll#Suggestions_of_paedophilia
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #15 - January 19, 2009, 09:07 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 19, 2009, 02:14 PM
    Quote from: Zaephon on January 19, 2009, 02:07 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 19, 2009, 01:09 PM
    Does anyone know of any good examples of people throughout history who have tried to reach the Quran's challenge of asking others to imitate even 3 lines of it? I know there have been some who died for it but I'm having trouble finding them. Anybody know any which are well backed up facts?

    I think Baal once posted about this. It's called the Furqan.

    http://www.islam-exposed.org/

    That's helpful. Although does that rhyme when read in Arabic?

    I will give you a hint. Everything rhymes in Arabic. The words can only have a finite number of possible endings. i.e. a, at, een, oon, hoo, noo, ni, na, etc.

    About a dozen used the most plus another couple dozens not used as much. It is trivial to get anyting written in arabic to rhyme. The *huge* advantage is that, when u write an arabic poem, u do not need to look for the best rhyming word, instead you only have to look for the best meaning.

    My issue with the koran is that, even though it was written in a language extremely condusive to poetry, the text still came out repetitive, and boring and discontinuous.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #16 - January 19, 2009, 10:35 PM
    Quote from: Baal on January 19, 2009, 09:07 PM
    I will give you a hint. Everything rhymes in Arabic. The words can only have a finite number of possible endings. i.e. a, at, een, oon, hoo, noo, ni, na, etc.

    I think that's why the Quran sounds so nice when you sing/chant it. It's rather convenient.
    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #17 - January 20, 2009, 08:18 AM
    Quote from: Iggy on January 19, 2009, 10:35 PM
    Quote from: Baal on January 19, 2009, 09:07 PM
    I will give you a hint. Everything rhymes in Arabic. The words can only have a finite number of possible endings. i.e. a, at, een, oon, hoo, noo, ni, na, etc.

    I think that's why the Quran sounds so nice when you sing/chant it. It's rather convenient.

    Not really, it gets really boring rather quickly. It is like listening to pig latin. Everything starts sounding the same after a while:

    http://www.idioma-software.com/pig/pig_latin.html

    Et'slay aketay ayay ooklay atyay omesay ofyay ethay anymay ossibilitiespay:
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #18 - January 20, 2009, 01:35 PM
    Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 08:18 AM
    Quote from: Iggy on January 19, 2009, 10:35 PM
    Quote from: Baal on January 19, 2009, 09:07 PM
    I will give you a hint. Everything rhymes in Arabic. The words can only have a finite number of possible endings. i.e. a, at, een, oon, hoo, noo, ni, na, etc.

    I think that's why the Quran sounds so nice when you sing/chant it. It's rather convenient.

    Not really, it gets really boring rather quickly. It is like listening to pig latin. Everything starts sounding the same after a while:

    http://www.idioma-software.com/pig/pig_latin.html

    Et'slay aketay ayay ooklay atyay omesay ofyay ethay anymay ossibilitiespay:

    Why do you always have to insist with relentless obsession that everything about the Qur'an is bad and evil and there is nothing good or nice about it?

    Has it ever entered your head that others might not see or hear things the way you do?

    You know there are people who enjoy the sound of the Qur'an.

    Ever heard the saying; beauty is in the eye of the beholder?

    It is a subjective thing.

    It is true that the believer's view is coloured by his faith. But have you ever thought that your view is coloured by your extreme hatred towards the Qur'an?

    You sound like a fanatic and it makes it hard to take you seriously.

  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #19 - January 20, 2009, 02:23 PM
    Shakespeare out strips anything Muhammad or St Paul ever wrote although the King James Bible is pretty good literature. Lets face it you wouldn't have Shakespeare without the Bible but if the Koran and the Bible are written by god Shakespeare is still a better writer but as has been said it's subjective.

    I'm surprised that Muslims can seriously tout this challenge as some kind of proof of Koranic authenticity.

    If your a Muslim you think the Koran is sublime if your not you think it's an ordinary book. It's subjective. It's the most feeble test of divinity I have ever encountered and it's an insult to peoples intelligence to use it as proof of the truth of Islam.
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #20 - January 20, 2009, 02:30 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on January 20, 2009, 01:35 PM
    Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 08:18 AM
    Quote from: Iggy on January 19, 2009, 10:35 PM
    Quote from: Baal on January 19, 2009, 09:07 PM
    I will give you a hint. Everything rhymes in Arabic. The words can only have a finite number of possible endings. i.e. a, at, een, oon, hoo, noo, ni, na, etc.

    I think that's why the Quran sounds so nice when you sing/chant it. It's rather convenient.

    Not really, it gets really boring rather quickly. It is like listening to pig latin. Everything starts sounding the same after a while:

    http://www.idioma-software.com/pig/pig_latin.html

    Et'slay aketay ayay ooklay atyay omesay ofyay ethay anymay ossibilitiespay:

    Why do you always have to insist with relentless obsession that everything about the Qur'an is bad and evil and there is nothing good or nice about it?

    Has it ever entered your head that others might not see or hear things the way you do?

    You know there are people who enjoy the sound of the Qur'an.

    Ever heard the saying; beauty is in the eye of the beholder?

    It is a subjective thing.

    It is true that the believer's view is coloured by his faith. But have you ever thought that your view is coloured by your extreme hatred towards the Qur'an?

    You sound like a fanatic and it makes it hard to take you seriously.




    The Koran as a translated book is boring, tedious, mixed up, violent, ignorant, repetitive and divisive but I have listened to it being read in Arabic and it does sound wonderful. It reminded me of listening to the Dalai Lama chant in Pali when I went to his teachings in Dharamshala a few years back.

    It has captivated over a billion people and been praised by non Muslims so it can't all be bad but reading the Pickthal translation I had trouble finding anything to praise in it let alone sublime perfection.

    But lets say it in unison Hass. "It's subjective"  parrot
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #21 - January 20, 2009, 03:13 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on January 20, 2009, 01:35 PM
    Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 08:18 AM
    Quote from: Iggy on January 19, 2009, 10:35 PM
    Quote from: Baal on January 19, 2009, 09:07 PM
    I will give you a hint. Everything rhymes in Arabic. The words can only have a finite number of possible endings. i.e. a, at, een, oon, hoo, noo, ni, na, etc.

    I think that's why the Quran sounds so nice when you sing/chant it. It's rather convenient.

    Not really, it gets really boring rather quickly. It is like listening to pig latin. Everything starts sounding the same after a while:

    http://www.idioma-software.com/pig/pig_latin.html

    Et'slay aketay ayay ooklay atyay omesay ofyay ethay anymay ossibilitiespay:

    Why do you always have to insist with relentless obsession that everything about the Qur'an is bad and evil

    I already gave you an open invitation to show me one good decent thread or subject in the koran. It is not my fault that you spent many years of your life venerating that book looking for a reason to like it. That was your cross to carry. And I also can not help it if you still have to carry that cross.

    Quote from: Hassan on January 20, 2009, 01:35 PM
    and there is nothing good or nice about it?

    There is nothing nice about it. As for good, the book is deathly boring. It is the most boring book I ever read. And I am not the only one with this opinion - 'The most boring book'.

    Quote from: Hassan on January 20, 2009, 01:35 PM
    Has it ever entered your head that others might not see or hear things the way you do?

    True. But the book is still boring and still devoid of good.

    Quote from: Hassan on January 20, 2009, 01:35 PM
    You know there are people who enjoy the sound of the Qur'an.

    I like couple of Rammstein songs. They are in German and I do not understand them. I am afraid of actually having the lyrics translated for me because then, I might no like the lyrics and then I could dislike the songs. With the koran, when people are 'singing' it, I actually understand the lyrics. And unfortunately, the emotions I get from the 'lyrics' far scare me and upset me, then any 'nice singing' can ever accomplish.

    Quote from: Hassan on January 20, 2009, 01:35 PM
    Ever heard the saying; beauty is in the eye of the beholder?

    Again, it is really hard to appreciate a good song when the lyrics are written by 7th century raiders, who had me on their target.

    Quote from: Hassan on January 20, 2009, 01:35 PM
    It is a subjective thing.

    Not really. Not when you get to understand the lyrics for what they are. Not when you get to see the direct adverse effect of those lyrics on the society you live in.

    Quote from: Hassan on January 20, 2009, 01:35 PM
    It is true that the believer's view is coloured by his faith. But have you ever thought that your view is coloured by your extreme hatred towards the Qur'an?

    You sound like a fanatic and it makes it hard to take you seriously.

    A fanatic because I do not like the koran and I do not like the singing of the koran. As usual, you are good at making accusations.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #22 - January 20, 2009, 03:22 PM
    And to add to the above, the koran does sound like a better version of pig latin, but it is still just as boring and repetitive. Same simile over and over, same stories over and over, same ending rhymes: 'a.a.a.a.a.oona.oona..eena..eena..eeni..eeni..lahoo..amoo..hunna..humma'.

    Also a poet would have been laughed off if he was caught repeating his similes over and over like the writers of the koran did. As I said, the lyrics far outdo the singing. And the content is evil and unethical. And that is not subjective.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #23 - January 20, 2009, 05:12 PM
    Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 03:13 PM

    I already gave you an open invitation to show me one good decent thread or subject in the koran...


    And I posted a thread a long time ago, quoting some of the verses that I liked and found good.

    The fact that you saw each and every one of them in a different light does not make you right.

    That is just your opinion - nothing more.

    I may not believe in Islam and I may no longer find the Qur'an a wonderful piece of literature, but neither do I go to the other extreme of seeing it as all bad.



  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #24 - January 21, 2009, 06:22 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on January 20, 2009, 05:12 PM
    Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 03:13 PM

    I already gave you an open invitation to show me one good decent thread or subject in the koran...


    And I posted a thread a long time ago, quoting some of the verses that I liked and found good.

    Yes verses that you liked. But I did not ask you for verses that you liked.

    I can put forward some verses that I liked as well. Although very few as to be insignificant but I can post them still. However I asked you for a subject or a thread. And you did not demonstrate a subject or a thread.

    The last answer you came up with is that you will consider it and come back to me later.

    Quote from: Hassan on January 20, 2009, 05:12 PM
    The fact that you saw each and every one of them in a different light does not make you right.

    I commented on the individual and discontiguous verses that you presented me with. Did they present a thread or subject? not at all. They were just a bunch of verses with nothing in common.

    All I did was I put those verses you gave me, in context with the rest of the koran.I am sorry if the rest of the paragraph those verses came from make the verses you liked, to be not so nice anymore.

    And when someone is singing the koran, they are singing the entire paragraph. I have to listen to the entire paragraph, not just to the individual verses that you liked.

    Quote from: Hassan on January 20, 2009, 05:12 PM
    I may not believe in Islam and I may no longer find the Qur'an a wonderful piece of literature, but neither do I go to the other extreme of seeing it as all bad.

    The singing, causes me to listen to the lyrics very slowly. The lyrics evoke feelings of disgust and anger.

    The writing, is boring. The stories are stupid. With no morale or ethics or even a historical value. Not even One good story. Just One. Out of 6200 verses. Where is this from the stories of Compte de Segure, or the stories of Moliere. What are you talking about, what are you comparing the koran to?

    The poetry is repetitive and boring.

    The Arabs came up with much better literature over and over. The book was not even a good reflection on the skill of the people of the time, as the Arabs are known to have produced much better pieces of work.

    I am actually too busy reading the better pieces of work and enjoying them and learning about them to notice your koran.

    It is not my fault that you used to bend-over to a crappy book. We as an Arab  culture, produced many better pieces of work. Before as well as after the koran. You should have picked One of the better pieces of work instead. Then we might have agreed on some goodness in it.

    What is that good about this book that you are beating me on the head with and calling me a fanatic for. Couple verses that you liked few years ago? Verses that, when put in the paragraph they come from, become sick logic. Verses that could not even support a complete good, ethical or moral, subject.

    Like when Harun Yehia tried to prove that the koran is against fascism, he tried very hard to find couple verses that he liked to make his point, and the verses ended up proving the does koran supports fascism anyways.

    Regards,
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #25 - January 21, 2009, 08:33 AM
    Quote from: brucepig on January 20, 2009, 02:30 PM
    The Koran as a translated book is boring, tedious, mixed up, violent, ignorant, repetitive and divisive but I have listened to it being read in Arabic and it does sound wonderful. It reminded me of listening to the Dalai Lama chant in Pali when I went to his teachings in Dharamshala a few years back.

    It has captivated over a billion people and been praised by non Muslims so it can't all be bad but reading the Pickthal translation I had trouble finding anything to praise in it let alone sublime perfection.

    But lets say it in unison Hass. "It's subjective"  parrot


    It might not be all that bad if it can be recited in Arabic with a Southern accent. In particular I'd like to hear a call to prayer led by someone from Louisiana.  . . . . with a banjo accompaniment. Then those who hope for global Islamic domination will really eat their words.

  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #26 - January 21, 2009, 11:26 AM
    Quote from: brucepig on January 20, 2009, 02:30 PM
    The Koran as a translated book is boring, tedious, mixed up, violent, ignorant, repetitive and divisive but I have listened to it being read in Arabic and it does sound wonderful. It reminded me of listening to the Dalai Lama chant in Pali when I went to his teachings in Dharamshala a few years back.

    It has captivated over a billion people and been praised by non Muslims so it can't all be bad but reading the Pickthal translation I had trouble finding anything to praise in it let alone sublime perfection.

    But lets say it in unison Hass. "It's subjective"  parrot

    I have to agree with Bruce. I have tried to read the Quran. Really I have. I've even made it part of the way through but the content is so predominantly banal and/or horrific, with only tiny nuggets of anything approaching wisdom buried in the dross, that slogging all the way through it just seems utterly pointless.

    I once asked Hass if it was true what people said: that the Quran sounded better in Arabic. His reply was that the good bits sounded better but the nasty bits sounded worse. Doesn't sound like much of an improvement to me.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #27 - January 21, 2009, 11:55 AM
    As someone who has looked at all the major religions I have to say for me Muhammad and the Koran seem to be lacking the genuine wisdom that can be found buried deep in Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism.

    If you get rid of all the supernatural crap from most of these religions you find some quite sound psychological and moral teachings. If Jesus existed he really was a good spiritual guide. He taught the golden rule which was taught by many good teachers before him from Confucius, Buddha and it's in the Hindu scriptures.

    Mahavira, Buddha, Jesus, Lao Tzu and Confucius all seem to be very admirable people but Muhammad was without a doubt a brutal warrior, politician with a knack for conjuring up his god to manipulate people into killing for him and letting him have the women of his choosing.

    The Koran seems to be totally lacking anything like the golden rule,  the doctrine of compassion or forgiveness. Sure there are the odd peaceful bits but they do not approach anything that is truly a universal wisdom of peace.

    Whenever I ask Muslims to tell me something in Islam that is as  peaceful and wise as the golden rule or the doctrine of compassion I get things like "the Koran says that if you kill a man it is like you have killed all of mankind" but I know that is followed by a call to crucify and mutilate unbelievers.

    The other one is "There is no compulsion in religion" but as we all know that Islam is uniquely harsh on non believers and those who turn their back on Islam so one wonders why this is repeated so much.

    The only other things I get quoted is that "the Koran teaches us to keep clean and respect our parents" keep clean and don't talk back to the old fellas really doesn't come close to "Hurt not others in ways that you would find hurtful"

    Islam really is uniquely barren of content once you strip away the superstition.
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #28 - January 21, 2009, 12:04 PM
    I just found this quoted as the golden rule as found in Islam but to me it seems less like the golden rule for all humanity but a call for peace and solidarity between the Muslin brethren.

    "No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself"

    For a start it is a divisive call to believers not to all mankind and and it doesn't speak to me of a cessation of cruelty and violence but more of a command to have feelings of goodwill and generosity for your fellow believers which is no bad thing but it is not the golden rule especially when you take into account that Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and atheists don't count as brothers in Islam.

    Perhaps I'm being too harsh. What do you think?
  • Re: People who have tried to meet the Quran's challenge?
     Reply #29 - January 21, 2009, 12:15 PM
    brucepig,
    It is the way people interpret it.

    The very much quoted 'Love thy neighbour' was first intended only towards jews. (I read it in God delusion). However, as the years passed, people's understanding evolved, the same judaism gave gems like.

    Issue with Islam is, Hardliner has achieved much control over it and at the moment, it is like only their interpretation is the correct one.
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