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  • Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     OP - January 27, 2009, 10:00 AM
    Thought this was quite interesting...

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=hIFEvuTqbmo
  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #1 - January 27, 2009, 10:34 AM
    Thanks HB, that's a pretty good video. I respect people's rights to cover up however I will never warm up to the idea of covering ones face. It's unnecessary.
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #2 - January 27, 2009, 10:39 AM
    What I'd be interested in is, what did the women wearing the niqab and hijab think of the woman that wasn't wearing one? I know they said it's a personal choice...but really, I wonder what they felt about her?
  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #3 - January 27, 2009, 10:43 AM
    Quote from: heartbomb on January 27, 2009, 10:39 AM
    What I'd be interested in is, what did the women wearing the niqab and hijab think of the woman that wasn't wearing one? I know they said it's a personal choice...but really, I wonder what they felt about her?

    It was clear to me they didn't like it much, one of them stated it was clear that women had to cover up their head. The women not covering ought to study Islamic history Tongue
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #4 - January 27, 2009, 10:44 AM
    HB,
    I know some Muslim friends who don't do Hijab and some who do. So, those who do always have some kind of 'Holier than thou' approach. And if the female who does not do Hijab suffers some indecent behaviour, the 'Holy' one will always say that it was because she did not wear Hijab.
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #5 - January 27, 2009, 10:56 AM
    That's interesting. I had only one Muslim female friend in my circle of friends, and she always had the holier than thou approach, but I felt really bad for her cos she got teased a lot for not being able to do sex education and stuff (because her parents did not allow it)...

    She came to me for advice once because she wanted to go to uni outside of London, and her mother didn't want her to go away. I just said do what your heart tells you, if you want to study away, go...if you really are passionate about it.

    She's at uni now, and her circle of friends only consists of Muslim females who wear the hijab....I can see why she wouldn't want to hang out with people with differing views.
  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #6 - January 27, 2009, 11:09 AM
    Quote from: heartbomb on January 27, 2009, 10:56 AM
    That's interesting. I had only one Muslim female friend in my circle of friends, and she always had the holier than thou approach, but I felt really bad for her cos she got teased a lot for not being able to do sex education and stuff (because her parents did not allow it)...

    She came to me for advice once because she wanted to go to uni outside of London, and her mother didn't want her to go away. I just said do what your heart tells you, if you want to study away, go...if you really are passionate about it.

    She's at uni now, and her circle of friends only consists of Muslim females who wear the hijab....I can see why she wouldn't want to hang out with people with differing views.

    Did she move away for uni?
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #7 - January 27, 2009, 11:12 AM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 27, 2009, 11:09 AM
    Quote from: heartbomb on January 27, 2009, 10:56 AM
    That's interesting. I had only one Muslim female friend in my circle of friends, and she always had the holier than thou approach, but I felt really bad for her cos she got teased a lot for not being able to do sex education and stuff (because her parents did not allow it)...

    She came to me for advice once because she wanted to go to uni outside of London, and her mother didn't want her to go away. I just said do what your heart tells you, if you want to study away, go...if you really are passionate about it.

    She's at uni now, and her circle of friends only consists of Muslim females who wear the hijab....I can see why she wouldn't want to hang out with people with differing views.

    Did she move away for uni?


    Yep.
  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #8 - January 27, 2009, 11:16 AM
    I've had quite a few muslim friends. In my high school two of them wore a hijab and they had a slight 'holier than though' attitude. The rest of them couldn't care less about Islam but did not try anything that was taboo (non halal meat, alcohol, etc. Some of them smoked though). In the later years one of them was forced to wear the hijab by her brother, she took it off during school though Tongue Her brother had just got married but her wife refused to wear a hijab so he made her do it instead for whatever reason. I feel sorry for his wife, that guy was a dick.

    In uni I know two muslim girls, one of them was married and wore a hijab. She's a really nice person, she's taken the hijab off in front of me when she invited me over. She's from Iran, she said the girls there had to cover in public and in front of men, but they sometimes let their veils down when just in front of women.

    The other girl was more of a cultural muslim, she didn't wear the hijab.
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #9 - January 27, 2009, 11:28 AM
    Similar experience to mine...except I didn't go to uni.

    Another girl I knew who was a Muslim did everything taboo, drinks and stuff at uni so I guess she isn't really into the religion?

    There was a girl in the year above me in sixth form who tried to dictate to me how I should be living my life...and I basically politely told her to bugger off and mind her own business  Tongue
  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #10 - January 27, 2009, 11:51 AM
    Interesting points of view on the video.  Funnily enough I found myself sympathizing with the girl with full Niqab, and felt she expressed herself the best!
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #11 - January 27, 2009, 11:52 AM
    When I was going to school, I was amongst a handful, if that, of girls who wore the hijab, and my father would come to the school at random times throughout the day to make sure we still had it on.

    On the other hand I think hijab wearing has increased since that time because my 15yr old sister wears one and all her friends do, and she has alot of friends at school.  I've seen class photos and there are at least 10 girls in her class alone who wear the hijab.  It's a fashion statement for them, with all the styles and colour, who can wear it the best.

    Quote from: heartbomb on January 27, 2009, 10:39 AM
    What I'd be interested in is, what did the women wearing the niqab and hijab think of the woman that wasn't wearing one? I know they said it's a personal choice...but really, I wonder what they felt about her?


    Well women who are covered are seen as more pious than women who are not, not only by other women, but by men too.  The hijaby would know she was better than the uncovered meat.
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #12 - January 28, 2009, 02:02 AM
    I'll come in from left-field here  Smiley

    I dislike the hijab and all it represents. It's a tool that aids the suppression of women and for all the claims that it liberates women, it denies them freedom. They are restricted in movement which then causes them to become restricted in thought. It's oppressively hot and so limits a woman's desire to be out during warm days, getting them in the habit of not venturing out for months on end and therefore not at all when the weather does cool down.

    It also makes them fearful and serves to make other women apparent victims. Good women wear hijabs to repel unwanted sexual attention and by that logic, the women that don't wear hijab are obviously asking for it, right? Of course this isn't the official line but how many times have we come across this mentality not just from our relatives but from the clerics, the supposedly enlightened people of the mosques? Al Hilali likened the a woman not wearing a hijab to uncovered meat around feral cats, saying that if the meat then got tampered with, whose fault was it?

    The hijab, in this sort of backward mentality, provides misogynists like these people to get away with the assault on women, to place to blame of the attack on the victim, to absolve the perpetrator.

    I also hate this idea that men are so bloody weak that if they see a pretty girl, they won't be able to help but maul her. That's rubbish and I am offended on behalf of all the men I know who, though they frequently see pretty girls, have never once laid an unwanted finger on any one of them.

    So I dislike everything about the hijab.
  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #13 - January 28, 2009, 02:46 AM
    Quote from: Spasm on January 28, 2009, 02:02 AM
    I also hate this idea that men are so bloody weak that if they see a pretty girl, they won't be able to help but maul her. That's rubbish and I am offended on behalf of all the men I know who, though they frequently see pretty girls, have never once laid an unwanted finger on any one of them.


    Ya ya, how do you know that for sure? As a horny man I also constantly see pretty women and I finger them...
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #14 - January 28, 2009, 03:33 AM
    Personally I think the niqab and burqa are total hotness. Whwenever I see one I turn into a rampaging sex fiend. Doesn't happen with girls in bikinis though. Just sayin'. parrot
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #15 - January 28, 2009, 06:53 AM
    Niqabs are just terrible. No other word for it. They're completely dehumanizing.
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #16 - January 28, 2009, 07:56 AM
    I could see some anger and possible contempt from the Hijabi towards the non-hijabi. I couldn't really tell what the niqabi felt.

    At Islamia School I used to get a lot of niqabi mums come and talk to me about their children - I always found it uncomfortable. A person's face is vital to proper communication. Yes it's true that we can communicate over a phone - but that's like saying: "You can hop can't you? Then you don't need to walk."
  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #17 - January 28, 2009, 08:54 AM
    ..or why it Walls, when you've got Haagen Daz?
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #18 - January 28, 2009, 01:35 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on January 28, 2009, 03:33 AM
    Personally I think the niqab and burqa are total hotness. Whwenever I see one I turn into a rampaging sex fiend. Doesn't happen with girls in bikinis though. Just sayin'. parrot


    Absolutely. I love women who walk around like birthday-presents, with all the cloths wrapped around their bodies and a ribbon on their heads. It basically reads like this to me: "Hey young stud, wanna know what's inside this innocent package?". Ooo, they are teasing me so much, I can't handle it!
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #19 - January 28, 2009, 04:41 PM
    Quote from: Aziz on January 28, 2009, 01:35 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on January 28, 2009, 03:33 AM
    Personally I think the niqab and burqa are total hotness. Whwenever I see one I turn into a rampaging sex fiend. Doesn't happen with girls in bikinis though. Just sayin'. parrot


    Absolutely. I love women who walk around like birthday-presents, with all the cloths wrapped around their bodies and a ribbon on their heads. It basically reads like this to me: "Hey young stud, wanna know what's inside this innocent package?". Ooo, they are teasing me so much, I can't handle it!


    But that is part of the problem, you dont know what's inside the innocent package.  What happens if you find Kemal out of Big Brother?
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #20 - January 28, 2009, 05:32 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 28, 2009, 04:41 PM
    Quote from: Aziz on January 28, 2009, 01:35 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on January 28, 2009, 03:33 AM
    Personally I think the niqab and burqa are total hotness. Whwenever I see one I turn into a rampaging sex fiend. Doesn't happen with girls in bikinis though. Just sayin'. parrot


    Absolutely. I love women who walk around like birthday-presents, with all the cloths wrapped around their bodies and a ribbon on their heads. It basically reads like this to me: "Hey young stud, wanna know what's inside this innocent package?". Ooo, they are teasing me so much, I can't handle it!


    But that is part of the problem, you dont know what's inside the innocent package.  What happens if you find Kemal out of Big Brother?


    My (other) brother was put under curfew in his student digs in Saudi Arabia when he studied there in the early 80s (for questioning or arguing too much - I think) so he disguised himself in a Burqa to go out. He turned up at friends only to shock them as his bearded face appeared from behind the Burqa lol
  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #21 - March 02, 2009, 02:44 AM
    Hmm, I've seen that video before, I used to wear a headscarf because my parents made me, but not i secretly take it off when i go out the house (although they suspect, mum has mentioned something about it, but they have no direct evidence).

    So I know how it feels both ways, I understand how wearing the scarf can feel protective, because then your mind isnt on how your hair is looking, or in general how you're looking because it doesn't matter, you're wearing a scarf...yeah you can still fuss about how you look, but to a certain point and then it's just 'but no one can make a good judgement on how i look, because they don't know me without my scarf'. And you can focus on other things, rather than getting your hair looking decent before leaving the house, such as a homework problem for example.

    But without the scarf, i felt quite exposed, when i started not wearing it, felt very self concious and insecure, now I havn't been wearing it for a few months, but even so I find I have to put effort into my looks, and my minds less focused on work (kinda my bf's fault for that too :p).
    ....this is only from my experience....Yawns....i better go bed, might edit this later and add some more structure etc etc...9'oclock tomorrow
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #22 - March 19, 2009, 08:56 PM
    I mentioned on another forum that I was "uncomfortable" with the niqab, and a Muslim lady went on a rant that if I was "uncomfortable" with the niqab that is my problem alone that I needed to deal with and it was just as bad as the murderers problem with the way Sophie Lancaster dressed.

    I was quite taken aback, but replied I didn't think the niqab and goth fashion was comparable. However, she insisted that one is simply an expression of musical taste, and the other is simply an expression of religious taste.

    Surely the niqab, burqa and hijab come with far more baggage than the simple self-expression of goth, rocker or whatever fashion?
  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #23 - March 19, 2009, 09:07 PM
    Quote from: kingl on March 19, 2009, 08:56 PM
    I mentioned on another forum that I was "uncomfortable" with the niqab, and a Muslim lady went on a rant that if I was "uncomfortable" with the niqab that is my problem alone that I needed to deal with and it was just as bad as the murderers problem with the way Sophie Lancaster dressed.

    I was quite taken aback, but replied I didn't think the niqab and goth fashion was comparable. However, she insisted that one is simply an expression of musical taste, and the other is simply an expression of religious taste.

    Surely the niqab, burqa and hijab come with far more baggage than the simple self-expression of goth, rocker or whatever fashion?

    You're both right - it depends on how you interpret it
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #24 - March 20, 2009, 01:54 PM
    I particularly liked the fact that the one with the niqab was wearing mascara :S
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #25 - March 20, 2009, 01:59 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on March 20, 2009, 01:54 PM
    I particularly liked the fact that the one with the niqab was wearing mascara :S


    You know practically all Saudi women wear the niqab, but when my Mom went for Hajj, she saw many shops in Saudi advertising & selling colored contact lenses!  Wink
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #26 - March 29, 2009, 07:48 AM
    In January of 2007, Channel 4 of British TV aired a special called "Undercover Mosque".  It was a report on what some mosques -- some of them heretofore deemed to be "moderate" -- in the UK were preaching when the clerics thought they were safe from the eyes and ears of Infidels.  Reporters infiltrated sermons undercover and listened to what the Muslim clerics were saying.

    Among the many disturbing things they preached, there was this little gem:

    "By the age of ten, it becomes an obligation on us to force her [young girls] to wear hijab, and if she doesn't wear hijab, we hit her".

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1569923/Police-tried-to-censor-C4-expose-on-extremists.html
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #27 - March 29, 2009, 08:39 AM
    Quote from: Hesperado on March 29, 2009, 07:48 AM
    In January of 2007, Channel 4 of British TV aired a special called "Undercover Mosque".  It was a report on what some mosques -- some of them heretofore deemed to be "moderate" -- in the UK were preaching when the clerics thought they were safe from the eyes and ears of Infidels.  Reporters infiltrated sermons undercover and listened to what the Muslim clerics were saying.

    Among the many disturbing things they preached, there was this little gem:

    "By the age of ten, it becomes an obligation on us to force her [young girls] to wear hijab, and if she doesn't wear hijab, we hit her".

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1569923/Police-tried-to-censor-C4-expose-on-extremists.html



    Exactly-and if we look at the reason why women wear a Hijab (to cover a private part-awra-as the women is a private part except for her hands and face) it makes it even more sickening.

    I see girls all the time younger than 8 in the school I work at wearing hijabs! These are girls who are very undeveloped and their childhood is robbed from them by being turned into awras!

    Anyway welcome Hesperado!
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #28 - March 29, 2009, 02:08 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on March 29, 2009, 08:39 AM
    I see girls all the time younger than 8 in the school I work at wearing hijabs! These are girls who are very undeveloped and their childhood is robbed from them by being turned into awras!


    You're not understanding the reason for the little girls' wearing hijabs, are you Finally Free? What if one of their Daddys' friends' see them, begin to lust for them & see them in their wet dreams?  Wink

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     hush Since Muhammad had such a dream regarding his best friend's 6 year old or younger daughter, those hijab wearing girls' fathers' Muslim friends, who consider Muhammad their "insaan i kamil" are just as likely to have such wet dreams, you know! 001_wub
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  • Re: Hijab, Niqab and Nothing
     Reply #29 - March 29, 2009, 02:29 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on March 29, 2009, 02:08 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on March 29, 2009, 08:39 AM
    I see girls all the time younger than 8 in the school I work at wearing hijabs! These are girls who are very undeveloped and their childhood is robbed from them by being turned into awras!


    You're not understanding the reason for the little girls' wearing hijabs are you Finally Free? What if one of their Daddys' friends' see them, begin to lust for them & see them in their wet dreams?  Wink

    Sahih Bukhari 9.140

    Narrated 'Aisha:
    Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.

     hush Since Muhammad had such a dream regarding his best friend's 6 year old or younger daughter, those hijab wearing girls' fathers' Muslim friends, who consider Muhammad their "insaan i kamil" are just as likely to have such wet dreams, you know! 001_wub



    Sadly I have noticed this trend as well, even though I don't work in a school environment.  I see it predominantly amongst the Somalis thought so it could also be a cultural phenomenon although that still doesn't excuse the fact that it is disturbing to us infidels.
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