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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #390 - December 20, 2009, 09:35 AM
    even though bestiality does exist in the mid-east, there are even methods of ablution for this behavior, dont know about neophilia though :S
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #391 - December 20, 2009, 01:18 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 18, 2009, 04:33 PM
    Baal lak ente habibi  

    google translate:

    Found in dictionary: Arabic > English.

        *
          بكر
              o
                adjective
                    +
                      virgin
                    +
                      intact
                    +
                      maiden
                    +
                      maidenlike
              o
                verb
                    +
                      live from hand to mouth
                    +
                      rise early
                    +
                      get up
              o
                noun
                    +
                      first born



    you.. you.. you're good you, no no you're good Cheesy

    No.. no .. no.. you.. you're good you are very good.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #392 - December 20, 2009, 01:21 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 20, 2009, 09:35 AM
    even though bestiality does exist in the mid-east, there are even methods of ablution for this behavior, dont know about neophilia though :S

    I did not say it does not exist, I just meant the word does not exist in arabic. Once I saw the word (Mowatah - performs a low act).

    And yes, Khomeini i his green book, said that if someone bangs the animal, then the animal has to be killed and the meat sold outside the city. Perhaps. Because. No one. Wants. Sperm in the meat.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #393 - December 20, 2009, 01:32 PM
    LMAO

    what if you take an english to arabic dictionary? and look up bestiality? whats the arabic word there?
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #394 - December 20, 2009, 01:49 PM
    Quote from: Baal on December 20, 2009, 01:21 PM
    I did not say it does not exist, I just meant the word does not exist in arabic. Once I saw the word (Mowatah - performs a low act).

    And yes, Khomeini i his green book, said that if someone bangs the animal, then the animal has to be killed and the meat sold outside the city. Perhaps. Because. No one. Wants. Sperm in the meat.



    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATT? is this true?  Cheesy
    ...
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #395 - December 20, 2009, 02:32 PM
    Wiki says it is unverified:

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    A book "Tahrirolvasyleh", cited on the Internet, which quotes the Shia Ayatollah Khomeini approving of sex with animals under certain conditions, is unconfirmed and possibly a forgery.[59][60][61][62] It is however contested whether such a fourth volume of Tahrirolvasyleh ever in fact existed (see Tahrirolvasyleh). No evidence of verified translations or cited references seems to be found in the hands of independent (Western) or other notable Islamic scholars and the main sources seem to be anti-Islamic in nature. Though the book Tahrir-ul-Vasyleh does exist, there is widespread suspicion concerning the existence and authenticity of such a "fourth book".


    I would like to know if it is true or not because it is so bizarre and depraved that it would be a real blast if true. Seems it might be a concoction though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia#Religious_perspectives





    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #396 - December 20, 2009, 02:50 PM
    Khomeini's Teachings on sex with infants and animals:

    http://www.homa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=104&Itemid=58

    And its the fourth EDITION of the book, not the fourth book:

    http://www.homa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=74&Itemid=58#
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #397 - December 20, 2009, 02:57 PM
    Also on that note in relation to this thread read this article:

    http://www.homa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89&Itemid=56
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #398 - December 20, 2009, 03:36 PM

    So you believe its not a forgery BlackDog?

    Because its just so freakin' repulsive and bizarre that you almost can't believe its true.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #399 - December 20, 2009, 04:00 PM
    I dont know man, I will try to find the actual copy and somebody that I trust who can translate it for me. Let you guys know if this happens.

    Not to sound sick, but lets break it down to logic:

    In Quran you are allowed to marry a girl even though she hasnt had her courses (menses). If I am wrong please correct me.

    So meaning, one can marry an infant. Again correct me if I am wrong.

    Now the question of consummation, the prophet  consummated marriage with Aisha when she was 9.

    I still dont know why he choose that age. There is nothing about Aisha having menses, there is however hadith about her hair falling off when he married her (6). So he could have waited until her hair had grown out again. Another possibility is that Abu Bakr asked him to wait, but why Mohammed would wait I dont know? He certainly didnt listen to Abu Bakr when he objected to the whole marriage thing from the beginning. Why he would listen to this second objection I dont know, also I havnt read this in a hadith, it was written in the same site that had the article on Khomeinis rulings regarding sex with infants and animals.

    So marriage and penetration seem two different things in Islam, or maybe Im wrong. Maybe you can have sex with any child you marry? I mean she is your wife, even if she be 8. However if she needs to have menses in order for you to consummate marriage then thats (slightly) different. So I dont know, according to crazy logic, having sex (penetration) is one thing and rubbing yourself (im disgusted as i write this) is different.

    But we need proof of the book itself. The thing that is suspect, is that it would be in the fourth edition? Why not in the 1st? Also, how come we have never heard of this before? It just suddenly appeared. That seems suspect as well.

    Can anybody get a hold of this book? I will try myself.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #400 - December 20, 2009, 11:40 PM
    Quote from: Baal on December 20, 2009, 04:00 AM
    What is more specific then a preference for kids over adults. Over many times. I also do not care much about how the media portray the word. In fact, if you think the word does not portray him accurately, then let's make a word.


    In behavioural terms, he didn't express this preference.

    I only tried to answer the question accurately, bearing in mind typological and clinical factors (such as onset of puberty, ruling out other disorders). Otherwise, I don't consider it important, as it's just an epithet that will continue to be used regardless. As it is, I am skeptical of the use of psychiatry as a tool of social policy - which is, basically, all the category serves.

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    Or we can say it like they do in Arabic. See in Arabic, words like pedophilia and necrophilia and bestiality do not exist either.


    1) There were no terms for them in english before psychologists invented them, either.

    2) Arabic has adopted many english words outside of its vocabulary.
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #401 - December 24, 2009, 01:37 AM
    Losing My Religion by Jeffery Lang, page 273, marriage to Aisha.


    The book is a collection of emails from muslims, ex-muslims that send him questions/arguments regarding Islam. I was reading this a few months back and just stopped 1/3 into the book. And right now I was flicking through it and came across his answer regarding Aisha and the issue of her being so young when married off to Mohammed. Has anybody else read this book?

    Is it really wrong of me to think that it's not OK to have sex with a 9 year old? He mentions, that hadiths are not accurute when describing special details like time and place. So she might or might not have been 9. She might or might not have been 12. Or 18. Or not.

    He says children back then matured a lot earlier? And said that the marriage to Aisha was for a political reason? Even though him and Abu Bakr were foster brothers, how much closer can you get? He does not mention that Mohammed broke a tradition when marrying his niece. But the apology for that would be "these are human traditions, Prophet has brought divine edicts".

    Lang also mentioned Mohammed being married to Khadija for 15 years, monogamous, that he was celibate before he married her.

    There are so many, I don't what word to use here, excuses? She was 9, end of story. Or? Just because it was practiced at the time by men does not mean it was ok with the girls themselves? Specially when you read a hadith that goes "a virgin's consent to marriage is her silence". And the apology for this is that a virgin is bashful?

    He also mentions that even though Mohamed was a prophet there is no reason why he would have known or thought that people in the 21th century would have a problem with his marriage. But the thing is that Allah in the Quran say he speaks not of his own wishes, meaning everything and I mean EVERYTHING he does and says is sanctioned by Allah. Am I getting this wrong?

    The only way I can accept this marriage and the consummation of it is if I just close my eyes, and ignore it. I just ignore it, all the objections that pop up days and weeks later, I ignore them as well. I have to struggle. I keep thinking that what if it's your daughter at that age? Would you marry her off? To a man in his 50's? Even if she was 12-13? I keep thinking how I'm myself repulsed by a man attracted to a girl that young? Even if she is a teenager, she acts like a kid, she has the body of somebody maturing. OK, when I was 13, I had a crush on a 25 year old. Sexual in nature. But so what? Are we merely biological beings? With only physical attributes and desires? Should we not elevate ourselves? Evolve? Since this issue pertains to religion, spiritual development, that question should be considered rhetorical.

    He also says, that girls back then had no school or work or anything thus had nothing to do and matured earlier or something vapid like that. That's no excuse is it? She still has to be mature enough to raise a household? And what does that say of that society? Should he have not built schools? Places of learning?

    He does not mention hadith where he had dreams of her before she was 6. And the apology would be, well these are not sexual in nature, they are prophecies. He mentions how his daughters were pubertal at 11 or 12 or whatever, as if that matters. Or how there was one 13 year old girl that married a 28 year old man and as far as he could see they're happily married. As if that matters. The fact that there are 8 year old divorcees in this day and age should ring an alarm. And they're not married to 8 year old or 10 year old or even 13 year old, but to grown men that should know better.

    He mentions that Mohammed could have married any other virgin (there is a hadith where he's sees a very young child, 3 i think she was? stupid young, and he wished to have her when she'd get older, this, right before he croaked) or how all his wives were divorcees or widows. Except for Sauda they were all in their 20's and 30's? And they were done for political reasons. There is a fight, people killed, and he marries or has sex with a woman from the lost party. And this is a politically motivated marriage? And Sauda gave up her turns with the Prophet, so Aisha could take her turns. He does not mention that.

    I'm really struggling here, I respect Jeffery Lang and is the best I can get? I don't know what to do? I'm reading these apologists and it pisses me off. Because there is not just one issue, there are so many more. And for each issue there are even more apologies. If religion was that clear there would not be a need for apologies. I haven't even mentioned Science, or the inaccuracies of Biblical stories.

    I feel like I'm in the wrong here, a deserter. But fuck me, what am I supposed to do? In order for me to accept all of this I will have to bend over and take it up the ass. And Blackdog just don't roll like that. BITCH!
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #402 - December 24, 2009, 01:50 AM
    Desensitise yourself to it, it's the only way to cope with peoples sheer stupidity.
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #403 - December 24, 2009, 02:23 AM
    Great posting BlackDog. I also struggled a lot with this issue when I was a Muslim. Ten years ago I spent hours surfing on the web, researching and trying to understand my faith better. I read a lot of the stuff authored by Muslim apologists and also what critics had to say about Islam. I know many of these arguments, some of which try to justify this matter and others try to put a big question mark on the actual age of Aisha; but I forgot most of the details already. I was convinced by the scholars who said that Aisha must've been much older (anything else seemed insane to me), but I also knew that many Muslims simply believed in the accounts of Aisha's marriage in Sahih Bukhari without even perceiving it as a problem.

    I remember when this topic was brought up in a popular German forum, and I posted one or two times in order to point out that other, more reasonable views existed concerning this topic. Somebody challenged me and said that the mainstream, orthodox view seems to be that Aisha was indeed 9 years old when she got married to old Mohammad. He also linked to a Muslim Q&A website. I felt extremely uneasy about this for one or two weeks and I couldn't open that forum anymore -- a forum which I frequented almost daily.
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #404 - December 24, 2009, 02:41 AM
    I never knew marrying kids was permissible to all muslim men. I thought it was just a special thing for Mohammed, I never really thought about it much. Just took the word of some muslim that Allah ordained Aisha for him and never questioned further. I don't know why I never questioned further, I was quite good at ignoring important issues in Islam. I'm glad I was brought out of that mindset.
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #405 - December 24, 2009, 07:23 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 24, 2009, 01:37 AM
    Losing My Religion by Jeffery Lang, page 273, marriage to Aisha.

    I'm really struggling here, I respect Jeffery Lang and is the best I can get? I don't know what to do?


    For me, because I did this too, it is sad to see how intellectually corrupt or morally hypocritical people can get when they are grasping to save their religion.  Everything that Lang said is something that a lot of us said in the past as well, including selectively ignoring hadiths and saying "Well, she was really 15."  Ignoring hadiths is fine, but not if you use them to dictate everything else in your life, which a lot of these people do.  I take pity on him, because when this book came out it seemed like he was in his last gasps of the deen, struggling to maintain and make sense of it all wa FSM alim. 

    I used to read things like what Lang said and it sort of acted like a Band Aid over this problem I had which was the marriage of Aishah.  I tried to talk with Muslims about it and sort of air my objections and I got verbally slammed down so hard I never did it again.  It basically came down to questioning this marriage is questioning allah and who are you to question allah. And these weren't salafi nutcases either. 

    Whether or not it was acceptable to marry a girl that young who had had menses or not, it doesn't matter, because this is not insan al kamil.  Big Al would know that in the world of today, the marriage of Aishah would be a huge problem for people in regards to Islam and would act to keep people from it.  So either Big Al decided that many people would be deliberately misguided from the siraatul mustaqeem by today's predominantly accepted morality that child marriage is wrong, which makes him a real dick OR he doesn't exist at all.  I am going with the latter.  In a way, for me, the marriage of Aishah disproves allah, either his existence or the claim that he is al rahman, al raheem, al ladi dadi. 
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #406 - December 24, 2009, 11:16 AM
    Guys, the answer for me as far as all this was concerned came from Anwar-Al-Awlaki. I was listening to a cd compilation of his on the sira of Muhammad. He said that that the problem non-muslims had wasn't things like the marriage to Ayesha, Banu Qurayza or Muhammads marriage to his adopted sons ex-wife. The issue was his claim to prophethood itself, which was the underlying problem. For me this couldn't be further from the truth.

    Imagine it like this. You are out gardening and instead of pulling the weeds out from the root, you are just plucking away at the outside. The problem needs to be dealt with at the root level. One needs to question whether or not theology, revelation and prophethood are legitimate in the first place. In my opinion, once you have dealt with this issue and weeded them out at root level, you will find that the issue discussed here becomes secondary.

    With the muslim, they will find some way of trying to square this circle when it comes to events in the sira or even things said in the hadith. When I was muslim I never really questioned these things because of the underlying assumptions that were present. Whenever I have questioned the muslims on these issues they have replied saying that he was a prophet and that Big Al commanded it blah blah blah. However, when I have approached the subject from the bottom up with them, that approach makes them go away and think harder.

    You will also find that philosophers of religion and those questioning theology won't skirt around the issues such as the one discussed on here. They aim for the jugular vein and question the very legitimacy of divinity, revelation and prophethood.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #407 - December 24, 2009, 11:34 AM
    Quote from: billy on December 20, 2009, 03:36 PM
    So you believe its not a forgery BlackDog?

    Because its just so freakin' repulsive and bizarre that you almost can't believe its true.




    Bad news, I just spoke with a friend, who is Iranian and has read parts of that book. And he wasn't shocked at all, he said he had read it and also said it has been said before, so it was nothing new, and others have written similar things. And basically, it is a ruling based on Islam. It's not something he is making up. But I will bring further proof, I will ask him to bring the book, read it for me and translate word by word.

    He also recommended me to read about this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexuality_in_Iran
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #408 - December 24, 2009, 03:57 PM
    Quote
    Bad news, I just spoke with a friend, who is Iranian and has read parts of that book. And he wasn't shocked at all, he said he had read it and also said it has been said before, so it was nothing new, and others have written similar things. And basically, it is a ruling based on Islam. It's not something he is making up. But I will bring further proof, I will ask him to bring the book, read it for me and translate word by word.

     

    Goddamn.

    This needs to be sourced and translated, copies of the book need to be smuggled out of Iran or wherever. This shit could be one of the most powerful anti-dawah, Islam-discrediting tools around.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #409 - December 24, 2009, 04:24 PM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on December 24, 2009, 11:16 AM
    Guys, the answer for me as far as all this was concerned came from Anwar-Al-Awlaki. I was listening to a cd compilation of his on the sira of Muhammad. He said that that the problem non-muslims had wasn't things like the marriage to Ayesha, Banu Qurayza or Muhammads marriage to his adopted sons ex-wife. The issue was his claim to prophethood itself, which was the underlying problem. For me this couldn't be further from the truth.

    Imagine it like this. You are out gardening and instead of pulling the weeds out from the root, you are just plucking away at the outside. The problem needs to be dealt with at the root level. One needs to question whether or not theology, revelation and prophethood are legitimate in the first place. In my opinion, once you have dealt with this issue and weeded them out at root level, you will find that the issue discussed here becomes secondary.

    With the muslim, they will find some way of trying to square this circle when it comes to events in the sira or even things said in the hadith. When I was muslim I never really questioned these things because of the underlying assumptions that were present. Whenever I have questioned the muslims on these issues they have replied saying that he was a prophet and that Big Al commanded it blah blah blah. However, when I have approached the subject from the bottom up with them, that approach makes them go away and think harder.

    You will also find that philosophers of religion and those questioning theology won't skirt around the issues such as the one discussed on here. They aim for the jugular vein and question the very legitimacy of divinity, revelation and prophethood.


    I agree. Often we get caught up with the mundane details of Mo's sex life and whatever forgetting the real issue is not mo being a dick, but the legitimacy of prophecy, the islamic god, and the validity of a following scriptures blindly.
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #410 - December 24, 2009, 04:29 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on December 24, 2009, 04:24 PM
    I agree. Often we get caught up with the mundane details of Mo's sex life and whatever forgetting the real issue is not mo being a dick, but the legitimacy of prophecy, the islamic god, and the validity of a following scriptures blindly.


    I'd be interested to find out how many are inclined to take the approach of discussing the details and how many have approached it from the ground up? Also if whatever method you have chosen or used has yielded any results or not?
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #411 - December 24, 2009, 04:34 PM
    Myself I've always focused on the issues of Mo's specific immoral actions. And you're right, the surface details can always be deflected by the true Musulman. I've never actually approached the issue by simply discussing basic concepts like 'revelation' or 'prophecy' or the nature and existence of god. I guess it depends what type of Muslim you talk to, if the person was more reflective I might approach the core philosophical issues at the root of Islam. But for a crazy fundie whose really busy shaving his pubes the right way I just tell him that Mo was a pedo and drank camel urine - I can't be arsed to get philisophical with some people.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #412 - December 25, 2009, 03:16 AM
    Quote from: Kafirist on December 24, 2009, 04:34 PM
    Myself I've always focused on the issues of Mo's specific immoral actions. And you're right, the surface details can always be deflected by the true Musulman. I've never actually approached the issue by simply discussing basic concepts like 'revelation' or 'prophecy' or the nature and existence of god. I guess it depends what type of Muslim you talk to, if the person was more reflective I might approach the core philosophical issues at the root of Islam. But for a crazy fundie whose really busy shaving his pubes the right way I just tell him that Mo was a pedo and drank camel urine - I can't be arsed to get philisophical with some people.


    Lol i can empathise with that feeling. Philosophy and moral related arguments combined and religion in general is in tatters.
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #413 - December 27, 2009, 11:48 PM
    Quote from: billy on December 24, 2009, 03:57 PM


    Goddamn.

    This needs to be sourced and translated, copies of the book need to be smuggled out of Iran or wherever. This shit could be one of the most powerful anti-dawah, Islam-discrediting tools around.



    http://www.al-shia.org/html/eng/books/fiqh&usool/islamic-laws/tahrir/index.html

    I trust that site, used to visit the main site back when. Now we just have to read this drivel.

    EDIT
    I can't find that part, or any part for marriage. Loads of bollocks on other things though.
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #414 - December 28, 2009, 12:01 AM
    For me ground up, I lost belief in an Abrahmic God first, the rest became superfluous..
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #415 - December 28, 2009, 12:05 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 24, 2009, 01:37 AM
    Losing My Religion by Jeffery Lang, page 273, marriage to Aisha.


    The book is a collection of emails from muslims, ex-muslims that send him questions/arguments regarding Islam. I was reading this a few months back and just stopped 1/3 into the book. And right now I was flicking through it and came across his answer regarding Aisha and the issue of her being so young when married off to Mohammed. Has anybody else read this book?

    Is it really wrong of me to think that it's not OK to have sex with a 9 year old? He mentions, that hadiths are not accurute when describing special details like time and place. So she might or might not have been 9. She might or might not have been 12. Or 18. Or not.


    Sorry I snipped the post, I didn't want to get in trouble for quoting too much.

    I understand what you said but I think you're attacking the symptom rather than the problem. Christians believe in the old testament and yet you don't see as part of Christian doctrine to have concubines and multiple wives like the patriarchs of the old testament. The problem is that a large number of Muslims have elevated Muhammad to a status that drives them to emulate every single behaviour - no matter how unacceptable it may be in contemporary society. How many Muslims are willing to say, "that was part of Muhammad's culture 1400 years ago but is not long relevant today"? I read through this:

    http://liveloveislam.blogspot.com/2009/01/common-sense-and-sunnah.html

    Why does it appear to be like a lonely voice in the wilderness calling out for common sense in a ummah whose adherent venerate blind observance than reflecting and pondering?
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  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #416 - December 28, 2009, 01:41 AM
    Quote from: panoptic on December 20, 2009, 11:40 PM
    In behavioural terms, he didn't express this preference.

    * Panoptic, the fvck what mehammad did, does not exhibit the behavioral terms. The reality of Mohammad's action contradicts the statement you made.
    * He had an adult wife and still preferred a child.
    * Later he had a dozen wives, and the child was still his favored.
    * When One adult wife realized he will divorce her, she offered her day to the child, so he kept that adult wife.
    * All his wives were pretty much as young as he could get away with.
    * In the last year of his life he saw a baby girl and said she will soon 'grow up' to become his wife. He was 62. How much 'growing up' you think he meant?

    Quote from: panoptic on December 20, 2009, 11:40 PM
    ..As it is, I am skeptical of the use of psychiatry as a tool of social policy - which is, basically, all the category serves.

    As it is, your reluctance to use something (i.e. psychology for social policy), does not give you the right to make a wrong statement regarding what you are reluctant to use.

    Quote from: panoptic on December 20, 2009, 11:40 PM
    1) There were no terms for them in english before psychologists invented them, either.

    2) Arabic has adopted many english words outside of its vocabulary.

    Excellent, so since Arabs decided to take the word 'television' then they can have televisions in their countries. But since the Arabs decided to not take the word 'pedophile', then the arab world does not have pedophiles either. Just like Iran does not have homosexuals either.

    You are a good preacher Panoptic, but you need to work on your material a bit more.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #417 - December 28, 2009, 01:58 AM
    Quote
    * In the last year of his life he saw a baby girl and said she will soon 'grow up' to become his wife. He was 62. How much 'growing up' you think he meant?


    Jesus wept. Just when you think you have heard all there is to hear about Mo, you hear another thing so vile and disgusting. And this is insaan al kamil, the perfect man for eternity? Did his creepiness and perversion know no boundaries?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #418 - December 28, 2009, 02:01 AM
    The story of Muhammad's life makes me astagfirullah like I've never astagfirullah'd before.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Mohammad, the Pedophile
     Reply #419 - December 28, 2009, 02:20 AM
     Cheesy
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