Re: BMZ and Skynightblaze
Reply #206 - April 04, 2009, 08:15 PM
Hello All
The enemy of Islam claim that the Quran should make things clear as it claims about itself, while for them it does not make things clear and they also claim that it is obvious from the many confused Muslims that it does not make things clear, therefore the Quran contradicted itself.
First of all, those confused Muslims can't be held as an evidence against the Quran because the enemy of Islam need to prove that those confused Muslims strictly follow the Quran, however what the enemy of Islam will be able to prove beyond doubt that those confused Muslims are strictly following something else that is man made called the hadith, indeed on Faithfreedom web site or any anti Islam web site, they only use the hadith to attack Islam, that is why I'm a tough debater for them because I reject submitting a human made evidence to qualify Allah words, that does not mean that I reject all the hadith, I only accept those that are qualified by the Quran, mostly the rituals ones, all guidance that I seek I only seek it from the Quran, therefore I really careless about those confused Muslims because it was their freewill to strictly follow a widely corrupt hadith as a main source of guidance in addition to the Quran, those confused Muslims will find the Quran really hard to understand, they preferred to resort to a sort of Jerry Springer non sense where we see one of the mothers of the believers chatting with a man who were asking about the prophet then she tells him that he went to sleep with his other wives in one night without even bathing in between and when the man wondered how he can do that, he was told that the prophet was given a sexual power of 40 men, in another corrupt hadith, it was said that the prophet was given a sexual power of 30 men. A total non sense if you ask me nor it has any guidance rather a clear cut case of defaming a dead human to portray him as a sexually mad man.
Therefore the answer regarding those confused Muslims, yes the Quran will be very hard for them and will never make things clear for them, this is how Allah will punish those who shirk His laws with other non sense that even contradicts His laws. It is called the veil
Now for the enemy of Islam, of course the Quran will be damn hard for them, while they care about but not to follow it rather to do their best to cook an alleged contradiction, therefore they care about it only to attack it, I'm not surprised that it is confusing them, indeed this is what Allah told us exactly about their status, they are sort of the opposite to the first group the confused Muslims
1) The confused Muslims ignored the Quran and only pondered upon the corrupt human hadith
2) The enemy of Islam cared about the Quran but only to cook some Tom and Jerry contradictions then attack it.
On the other hand the two groups have commonalities:
1) Both have veils on their eyes
2) The Quran for both is going to be very hard to understand and follow
3) Both are dumb deaf and blind
What I found really funny that the Quran never claimed that it makes things clear for everyone, in fact the Quran is the hardest book a human will ever read, it needs years and years of pondering after believing in it to reach a high level of understanding it, it is indeed by design a very hard book for the following reasons:
1) It is in Arabic and most humans don't talk Arabic yet it is very hard for the native Arabic speakers
2) Considering the test that all humans are doing in this life, what will be the book that humans are tested in?, it is the Quran of course, now if this is the only book that we must study because we are tested in it then it has to be hard by design, it makes no sense that it will be easy when you read it for the first few times
Look around you and see the testing environment and ask yourself did we need all these environment and elements around us for the test if it is an easy test?, of course not, those zillions of elements around us and inside us are a clear indication of how hard the test is, consequently its text book is going to be very hard as well and consequently many will fail the test when the game is over
Back to the point of the wrong understating of the Quran making things clear, if this is the case then why all that confusion between Muslims sects as well within the same sect itself, look at the sunni and the Quran aloners for example, bloody hell, hundreds of uncertainties, conjectures, self opinions and conflictions, how this is possible if the Quran makes things clear?, indeed it is possible because they follow others things but the Quran, even many Quran aloners follow the man made low desires yet disguising themselves as followers of the Quran alone
Well the lie is this, the word Mubin, مُّبِينٌ, NEVER MEANS to make things clear, it only mean any of the followings:
1) Obvious or Evident
2) Clear
3) Manifest
To make the word Mubin, مُّبِينٌ a verb to make things clear is nothing but a total lie and clear cut case of manipulation, let's see how the Quran explains itself by self referencing itself in an exhaustive manner (I only brought a few examples out of numerous verses):
And they say: This is nothing but clear magic
[The Quran ; 37:15]
وَقَالُوا إِنْ هَذَا إِلَّا سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ (15)
-> How come the magic makes things clear?, obviously it means the OBVIOUS MAGIC, or the CLEAR MAGIC, or the MANIFEST MAGIC, that every human can see clearly
And of a truth he saw himself on the clear horizon.
[The Quran ; 81:23]
وَلَقَدْ رَآهُ بِالْأُفُقِ الْمُبِينِ (23)
-> How come the horizon makes things clear?, obviously it means the OBVIOUS HORIZON, or the CLEAR HORIZON, or the MANIFEST HORIZON, that every human can see clearly
Say: He is the Beneficent Allah, we believe in Him and on Him do we rely, so you shall come to know who it is that is in clear error.
[The Quran ; 67:29]
قُلْ هُوَ الرَّحْمَنُ آمَنَّا بِهِ وَعَلَيْهِ تَوَكَّلْنَا فَسَتَعْلَمُونَ مَنْ هُوَ فِي ضَلَالٍ مُّبِينٍ (29)
-> How come the error makes things clear?, obviously it means the OBVIOUS ERROR, or the CLEAR ERROR, or the MANIFEST ERROR, that every human can see clearly, possibly only the believers can clearly see the CLEAR ERROR in this case, the unbelievers will always be dumb deaf and blind, they are like cattle or even worse than that, this how their God describes them.
Or have they the means by which they listen? Then let their listener bring a clear authority.
[The Quran ; 52:38]
أَمْ لَهُمْ سُلَّمٌ يَسْتَمِعُونَ فِيهِ فَلْيَأْتِ مُسْتَمِعُهُم بِسُلْطَانٍ مُّبِينٍ (38)
-> How come the authority makes things clear?, obviously it means the OBVIOUS AUTHORITY, or the CLEAR AUTHORITY, or the MANIFEST AUTHORITY, that every human can see clearly
Surely We have given to you a clear victory
[The Quran ; 48:1]
إِنَّا فَتَحْنَا لَكَ فَتْحًا مُّبِينًا (1)
-> How come the victory makes things clear?, obviously it means the OBVIOUS VICTORY, or the CLEAR VICTORY, or the MANIFEST VICTORY, that every human can see clearly
Then, as for those who believed and did good works, their Lord will bring them in unto His mercy. That is the evident triumph.
[The Quran ; 45:30]
فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ فَيُدْخِلُهُمْ رَبُّهُمْ فِي رَحْمَتِهِ ذَلِكَ هُوَ الْفَوْزُ الْمُبِينُ (30)
-> How come the triumph makes things clear?, obviously it means the OBVIOUS TRIUMPH, or the CLEAR TRIUMPH, or the MANIFEST TRIUMPH, that every human can see clearly
And let not the Shaitan prevent you; surely he is your obvious enemy.
[The Quran ; 43:62]
وَلَا يَصُدَّنَّكُمُ الشَّيْطَانُ إِنَّهُ لَكُمْ عَدُوٌّ مُّبِينٌ (62)
-> Now this one is funny, How come the enemymakes things clear? I guess the enemy will always try to make things not clear to us, obviously it means the OBVIOUS ENEMY, or the CLEAR ENEMY, or the MANIFEST ENEMY, that every human can see clearly, indeed the enemy of Islam on FFI is Mubin, LOL
Therefore keep waiting for the day when the heaven shall bring an evident smoke,
[The Quran ; 44:10]
فَارْتَقِبْ يَوْمَ تَأْتِي السَّمَاء بِدُخَانٍ مُّبِينٍ (10)
-> Here is another funny one, How come the smokemakes things clear? I guess the smoke will make us blind and disoriented LOL, obviously it means the OBVIOUS SMOKE, or the CLEAR SMOKE, or the MANIFEST SMOKE, that every human can see clearly
And We showered Our blessings on him and on Ishaq; and of their offspring are the doers of good, and (also) those who are clearly unjust to their own souls.
[The Quran ; 37:113]
وَبَارَكْنَا عَلَيْهِ وَعَلَى إِسْحَقَ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِهِمَا مُحْسِنٌ وَظَالِمٌ لِّنَفْسِهِ مُبِينٌ (113)
-> Now you tell me, how being unjust to their own souls makes things clear, unless you reckon it means : who are clearly unjust to their own souls., which is a perfect translation to : ظَالِمٌ لِّنَفْسِهِ مُبِينٌ
So he cast down his rod, and lo! it was an obvious serpent,
[The Quran ; 26:32]
فَأَلْقَى عَصَاهُ فَإِذَا هِيَ ثُعْبَانٌ مُّبِينٌ (32)
-> And finally here is the mother of all laughs, How come the snake makes things clear?, possibly it means An obvious snake, I don't know I will go and ask my 17 years old child and let you know
For the translators to come and translate the following verse:
وَالْكِتَابِ الْمُبِينِ (2)
[The Quran ; 44:2]
as:
YUSUFALI: By the Book that makes things clear;-
PICKTHAL: By the Scripture that maketh plain
SHAKIR: I swear by the Book that makes manifest (the truth).
[The Quran ; 44:2]
are false, misleading and deceitful, it only means, any of the followings:
1) The Obvious Book
2) The Clear Book
3) The Evident Book
4) The Manifest Book
The verb to make never existed in the Arabic verse, bearing in mind that the verb Yobain, to Explain was never used with the Quran as its entity doing the verb i.e. MuBBayen with a Shadda on the Ba and this is the one that means Make things clear, it is a case of words with identical letters, therefore the context is the only criteria to determine the meaning not the Tom and Jerry flawed root method
The Quran only makes things clear for the ones who sincerely want to be guided for the ones who already believed in the Quran and recognised its calibre that it is from Allah not from a bunch of humans, all the others who follow man made conjectures without being qualified by the Quran will have a seal on their minds, and hearts and they will never be able to understand it, the Quran does not make things clear as it does not really show me how to fix my car, even the scientific facts mentioned in it was put in an unclear manner which sure to serve the purpose of testing and I have no problem with that, in fact the guided ones will see those scientific miracles clearly while others will never be able to comprehend it, but what I found that the Quran does is this:
Verily this Qur'an doth guide to that which is most right (or stable), and giveth the Glad Tidings to the Believers who work deeds of righteousness, that they shall have a magnificent reward;
[The Quran ; 17:9]
إِنَّ هَذَا الْقُرْآنَ يِهْدِي لِلَّتِي هِيَ أَقْوَمُ وَيُبَشِّرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ الَّذِينَ يَعْمَلُونَ الصَّالِحَاتِ أَنَّ لَهُمْ أَجْرًا كَبِيرًا (9)
Finally, what left for me to show everyone especially the kafirs, the Quran can never be clear for them, this is by design as the Mighty Designer decreed, let?s have a look:
And among them are those who listen to you, and We have made over their hearts veils lest they understand it and in their ears deafness; and if they see every sign they will not believe in it; even when they come to you they dispute with you; those who have disbelieved say: This is naught but the stories of the former (people).
[The Quran ; 6:25]
ومنهم من يستمع اليك وجعلنا علي قلوبهم اكنة ان يفقهوه وفي اذانهم وقرا وان يروا كل اية لا يؤمنوا بها حتي اذا جاؤوك يجادلونك يقول الذين كفروا ان هذا الا اساطير الاولين
-> See what Allah did for the unbelievers: and We have made over their hearts veils lest they understand it (the Quran) and in their ears deafness
THEREFORE, the Quran cannot be clear for such people, in fact, it has to be the opposite, i.e. the Quran is very hard for such people, to a degree that they cannot understand its message.
And who is more unjust than he who is reminded with the signs of his Lord, then he turns away from them and has forgotten what his hands have sent before? Indeed, We have made over their hearts veils lest they understand it and in their ears heaviness; and if you call them to the guidance, then they will not be guided ever.
[The Quran ; 18:57]
ومن اظلم ممن ذكر بايات ربه فاعرض عنها ونسي ما قدمت يداه انا جعلنا علي قلوبهم اكنة ان يفقهوه وفي اذانهم وقرا وان تدعهم الي الهدي فلن يهتدوا اذا ابدا
-> See again: Indeed, We have made over their hearts veils lest they understand it (the Quran) and in their ears heaviness; and if you call them to the guidance, then they will not be guided ever.
THEREFORE, the Quran cannot be clear for such people. The Quran has to be very hard for such people as clearly stated above, to a degree that they will never ever be guided by the Quran.
That is because they believe, then disbelieve, so a seal is set upon their hearts so that they do not understand.
[The Quran ; 63:3]
ذلك بانهم امنوا ثم كفروا فطبع علي قلوبهم فهم لا يفقهون
-> Again and again, see what Allah did for the kafirs, who were even once believers: That is because they believe, then disbelieve, so a seal is set upon their hearts so that they do not understand. , and certainly one of the things the they will not understand, HAS TO BE THE QURAN.
And We have placed over their hearts coverings lest they understand it, and in their ears heaviness, and when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran they turn back in aversion.
[The Quran ; 17:46]
وجعلنا علي قلوبهم اكنة ان يفقهوه وفي اذانهم وقرا واذا ذكرت ربك في القران وحده ولوا علي ادبارهم نفورا
-> Again, and again, and again, the Quran has to be VERY HARD for such people: And We have placed over their hearts coverings lest they understand it (the Quran), and in their ears heaviness,, to a degree that when they hear Allah mentioned alone in His Quran, they flee: and when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran they turn back in aversion.
And whenever a sura (a Quran chapter) is sent down, they look at each other (saying): Does any one see you? Then they dismiss themselves. Allah has dismissed their hearts because they are a people who do not understand.
[The Quran ; 9:127]
واذا ما انزلت سورة نظر بعضهم الي بعض هل يراكم من احد ثم انصرفوا صرف الله قلوبهم بانهم قوم لا يفقهون
-> And more, see: And whenever a sura (a Quran chapter) is sent down, they look at each other (saying): Does any one see you? Then they dismiss themselves. Allah has dismissed their hearts because they are a people who do not understand.
From all the above compelling Quran verses, we can conclude the following:
1) The Quran never claimed to be clear, i.e. making things clear, rather it claimed to be clear, as clearly from Allah, and such clarity must be for the believers alone who shirk nothing with Allah
2) Allah has made the Quran damn hard for those who mock, reject, or shirk, His Quran with other things, to a degree that, for the kafirs when they hear it, they flee, and for the Mushrikoon, when they hear Allah mentioned alone in his Quran, they also flee, they want to hear others mentioned with Him, like Mohammed for example.
Salam
Topic: BMZ and Skynightblaze