If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!

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Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
Reply #120 - April 12, 2009, 11:05 AM

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Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
Reply #121 - April 12, 2009, 11:07 AM

Quote from: panoptic on April 12, 2009, 11:03 AM
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Those punishments are part of the beliefs.

...Of course you weren't going to let that shit fly. Those were historically necessary, as I already said.

Yes, you said it. This is what is commonly known as an unsupported assertion. Not only that but they are still part of the beliefs of the religion that you claim is "religion in its highest form".

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If you are going to assert that Islam is "religion in its highest form" then you have to account for those punishments. You can twist and turn all you like but it wont do you a damned bit of good. You made the mistake of coming out with a ridiculous assertion and now you either have to retract it or support it. So far you have done neither.

I stand by my assertion.

I am well aware that you are standing by it. That wasn't my point. My point is that you have neither supported not retracted your assertion. Do try to keep up.

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Reply #122 - April 12, 2009, 11:09 AM

Quote from: panoptic on April 12, 2009, 11:05 AM

This is degenerate! I'm leaving.

Fine bye bye then! BTW, please read up on the Indus Valley civilization, a polytheistic one, which invented flush toilets 4600 years ago & a fantastic drainage system in what is today Pakistan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization

Read also about Egypt, Rome, India, China & other civilizations achievements!

Islam took ideas like the zero & the decimal system from India, destroyed loads of places in the country, built itself off the Greaco\Roman,Persian, Byzantine ideas & heritage,which were already flourishing successful civilizations before Islamic jihad hit them, flourished for a short time & decayed. It also destroyed plenty of civilizations, not to mention great works of art for its hatred of idolatry on the way.

World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
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Reply #123 - April 12, 2009, 11:09 AM

Quote from: panoptic on April 12, 2009, 11:05 AM

This is degenerate! I'm leaving.

How to admit defeat without admitting defeat 101.

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Re: If Monotheism's an improvement over polytheism, then Atheism's the best!
Reply #124 - April 12, 2009, 11:38 AM

Quote from: panoptic on April 12, 2009, 10:56 AM
Quote from: Rashna on April 12, 2009, 10:22 AM
All your arguments in favor of monotheism are strawmen as well. In theory or practice, they don't constitute any higher civilization, at least the monotheism called Islam definitely didn't, the other two are also not universally superior.

. . . Islam was the world's dominant civilisation (a third of the known world) for hundreds of years and the most advanced that there had been.

Well, Islam conquered masses, broke their places of worship,plundered populations & charged jizya for hundreds of years, it made some intellectual achievements but again polytheistic China & India were comparable in size, intellectual achievements & longer lasting.

Egypt, a majority Muslim country today, was the world's dominant civilization for three thousand years!

They also had far better women's rights than Islam did.
http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptianwomen.html
This is an interesting article:

http://europenews.dk/en/node/1385

World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
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Reply #125 - April 12, 2009, 11:43 AM

Quote from: Rashna on April 12, 2009, 05:22 AM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 05:19 AM
jizya is a tax

Yep, one which Muslims don't pay. You live in America right? Do those Christians' charge a special tax from you for being Muslim?

Everybody should be equal under the law, the American Christians, Jews, non believers & Muslims like you have to pay the same tax.

Unfortunately under Islam all aren't equal.

muslims also pay taxes

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Reply #126 - April 12, 2009, 11:44 AM

Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 11:43 AM
muslims also pay taxes

They don't pay jizya taxes, does America tax you differently as a Muslim?

World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
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Reply #127 - April 12, 2009, 11:47 AM

Quote from: Rashna on April 12, 2009, 11:44 AM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 11:43 AM
muslims also pay taxes

They don't pay jizya taxes, does America tax you differently as a Muslim?

there was only one tax for non muslms for protection

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Reply #128 - April 12, 2009, 11:51 AM

Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 11:47 AM
there was only one tax for non muslms for protection

Then why tax specially at all even for protection? Does America tax you specially for protection?Nope, they don't, although they have to have heightened security from Muslims, after 9\11.

Inspite of that, they don't.

World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
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Reply #129 - April 12, 2009, 11:51 AM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 11:47 AM
Quote from: Rashna on April 12, 2009, 11:44 AM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 11:43 AM
muslims also pay taxes

They don't pay jizya taxes, does America tax you differently as a Muslim?

there was only one tax for non muslms for protection

LOLZ, that makes Islam sound like mafia:
- There is no compulsion in joining the mafia
- But once you join them, you better not leave them, or unpleasant accidents might happen
- And, if you don't join them, you better pay them a tax to have their "protection", or unpleasant accidents might happen
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Reply #130 - April 12, 2009, 11:52 AM

Oh and, once you join mafia, they are all like brothers and sisters to you :S

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Reply #131 - April 12, 2009, 11:54 AM

Quote from: Rashna on April 12, 2009, 06:19 AM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 01:20 AM
no, Gandhi was a Muslim

False, Gandhi wasn't a Muslim, he was a polytheist, he committed shirk, one of the worst sins in Islam.http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/541133/shirk yet he was a very good man, just like many polytheists and even many atheists are good people.

the diffinition muslim is the one who believe in god and a good person therefore gandhi fit that diffinition

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Reply #132 - April 12, 2009, 12:02 PM

Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 11:54 AM
the diffinition muslim is the one who believe in god and a good person therefore gandhi fit that diffinition

So polytheists can be Muslims, according to you?

Blimey!

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Reply #133 - April 12, 2009, 12:05 PM

Quote from: Tommy on April 12, 2009, 06:26 AM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 04:30 AM

are you kidding me?

No way Kope! I'd never shit you bro.

What do you think my brother? Do you think my friend is right? Is Elvis still alive?

I mean, he DID say, I don't have evidence simply because I DON'T wanna believe.

And you say the same thing about god.

So if you suggest god must exist.

Then hell Kope, Elvis MUST surely still exist.

Allah-hu-akbar!!

or in my friend's case, Elvis-hu-akbar!

you need to take life little seriously

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Reply #134 - April 12, 2009, 12:09 PM

Quote from: AG on April 12, 2009, 08:14 AM

I think all Gods are equal, in that they provide a basis for mankind to aspire for the divine. It doesn't matter at all who or what you believe in, or whether what you believe in is factual or fictional. Like any other product of human cognition, each religion has good and bad points. (By this I am not suggesting that religions don't have a divine origin, nor that they do.)

Now we can celebrate the one-ness of mankind's struggles to find meaning in our lives, to seek continuity after death, to find mankind's place and destiny in this universe or - to use another lingo - to find God. Or we can quibble about which faith is better, more reasonable, more factual. I think a much more fruitful discussion is to figure out what is the underlying message in all religions - once you remove the top layers - what it teaches us, and how relevant it is for us today and now.

What binds us to faith? (Doesn't matter which faith.) Why is faith important for us? I have no clue. What kind of good it teaches us? What kind of non-sense does it teach us? How can we recognize one from the other? Can we be smarter than those who commit atrocious acts in the name of religion? Can we recognize the "man" behind the hindu, the buddhist, the muslim, the christian, the witch doctor?

I'm a Muslim, and this is just my two cents' worth.

AG

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Reply #135 - April 12, 2009, 12:13 PM

Quote from: IsLame on April 12, 2009, 09:18 AM
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Quote from: SmartAssmodeus on April 11, 2009, 08:06 PM
Getting rid of gods and religions would go a long way towards removing a lot of reasons for people to hate and kill each other for no good reason.

Next question: How?

do you really believe that if human dont believe in god we will not hate and kill other human?

Do you believe Muslims would be more tolerant of Jews, if they became atheists?

do you mean palestinians ?

No, I said Jews & Muslims

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Quote from: SmartAssmodeus on April 11, 2009, 08:06 PM
Getting rid of gods and religions would go a long way towards removing a lot of reasons for people to hate and kill each other for no good reason.

Next question: How?

do you really believe that if human dont believe in god we will not hate and kill other human?

Do you believe Muslims would be more tolerant of Jews, if they became atheists?

do you mean palestinians ?

No, I said Jews & Muslims

palestinians muslims?

No, please reread my last post and the post before that.

let me ask you who put 6 millions jews in gas chamber muslims or non muslims?

Mahatma Gandhi?

no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

Gandhi was a Muslim, and Nazi's were atheists
P.S I am a Mohamedan Jew

the diffinition muslim is the one who believe in god and a good person therefore gandhi fit that diffinition

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Reply #136 - April 12, 2009, 12:15 PM

Quote from: Tlaloc on April 12, 2009, 09:07 AM
I hope nobody will ever claim that Archimedes or Epicurus or Leonardo Da Vinci were Muslims, or I will wage an unholy war upon them.

the diffinition of muslim is the one who believe in god and a good person

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Reply #137 - April 12, 2009, 12:16 PM

Quote from: Tlaloc on April 12, 2009, 08:37 AM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 01:20 AM
no, gandhi was a muslim, the killers of jews were non muslims and nazi atheist

lol @ Gandhi being a Muslim :S

the diffinition of muslim is the one who believe in god and a good person therefore gandhi fit that diffinition

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Reply #138 - April 12, 2009, 12:18 PM

Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 12:13 PM
The definition of a Muslim is one who believes in God and is a good person; therefore Gandhi fits that definition.

Ok, if you intend it by that meaning, than most everyone is Muslim. So what's your point? I can be a Muslim Christian, a Muslim Jew, a Muslim Hindu or Buddhist; why convert to Islam proper and follow the Qur'an?

I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
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Reply #139 - April 12, 2009, 12:23 PM

Quote from: Rashna on April 12, 2009, 11:51 AM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 11:47 AM
there was only one tax for non muslms for protection

Then why tax specially at all even for protection? Does America tax you specially for protection?Nope, they don't, although they have to have heightened security from Muslims, after 9\11.

Inspite of that, they don't.

i pay protection tax for american army

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Reply #140 - April 12, 2009, 12:24 PM

Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 12:15 PM
Quote from: Tlaloc on April 12, 2009, 09:07 AM
I hope nobody will ever claim that Archimedes or Epicurus or Leonardo Da Vinci were Muslims, or I will wage an unholy war upon them.

the diffinition of muslim is the one who believe in god and a good person

So, technically, one can be a Muslim while still believing that Mohammed was a deluded fool?
As long as he believes in at least one God and commits good deeds?

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Reply #141 - April 12, 2009, 12:25 PM

Quote from: Tlaloc on April 12, 2009, 11:51 AM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 11:47 AM
Quote from: Rashna on April 12, 2009, 11:44 AM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 11:43 AM
muslims also pay taxes

They don't pay jizya taxes, does America tax you differently as a Muslim?

there was only one tax for non muslms for protection

LOLZ, that makes Islam sound like mafia:

i pay protection tax to american army

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Reply #142 - April 12, 2009, 12:25 PM

Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 12:23 PM
Quote from: Rashna on April 12, 2009, 11:51 AM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 11:47 AM
there was only one tax for non muslms for protection

Then why tax specially at all even for protection? Does America tax you specially for protection?Nope, they don't, although they have to have heightened security from Muslims, after 9\11.

Inspite of that, they don't.

i pay protection tax for american army

But not BECAUSE you are not American

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Reply #143 - April 12, 2009, 12:26 PM

Quote from: Tlaloc on April 12, 2009, 12:02 PM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 11:54 AM
the diffinition muslim is the one who believe in god and a good person therefore gandhi fit that diffinition

So polytheists can be Muslims, according to you?

Blimey!

yes

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Reply #144 - April 12, 2009, 12:27 PM

Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 12:23 PM
Quote from: Rashna on April 12, 2009, 11:51 AM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 11:47 AM
there was only one tax for non muslms for protection

Then why tax specially at all even for protection? Does America tax you specially for protection?Nope, they don't, although they have to have heightened security from Muslims, after 9\11.

Inspite of that, they don't.

i pay protection tax for american army

You pay the same taxes that a Christian American does, if you are an American citizen, as a Muslim American, you'll pay exactly the same taxes which a Christian American will.

Again I'm repeating, do you pay any tax which a Christian in your position doesn't have to?

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Reply #145 - April 12, 2009, 12:28 PM

Mmmmm.

I smell a troll

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Reply #146 - April 12, 2009, 12:31 PM

Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 12:26 PM
Quote from: Tlaloc on April 12, 2009, 12:02 PM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 11:54 AM
the diffinition muslim is the one who believe in god and a good person therefore gandhi fit that diffinition

So polytheists can be Muslims, according to you?

Blimey!

yes

Well, Muhammad & the Quran will disagree with you:

Polytheists have to convert to Islam or be killed.

Sura IX.5: "Then, when the sacred months have passed away, kill the idolaters wherever you find them ","and seize them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them." Ah, you might say, you have deliberately left out the words that come after those. Let us quote them then, "If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful."

This means, that polytheists would be spared only if the convert to Islam, Prophet Muhammad himself marched into Mecca, smashed the polytheistic idols, said that only those people who remained indoors would be safe, finally after smashing allowed people to come out & converted them to Islam. After his death, apostasy(ridda) wars broke out amongst the Muslims whom he'd converted, who were eager to throw off the yoke of Islam, & they were ruthlessly put down.

Christians & Jews are grudgingly tolerated, as long as they pay the jizya
Also Muslim men can marry Christian or Jewish women, Quran(5:5), but non Muslim men have to convert to Islam to marry Muslim women Quran 2:221. Also, shirk or polytheism is one of the worst sins in Islam.

World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
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Reply #147 - April 12, 2009, 12:31 PM

Quote from: awais on April 12, 2009, 12:18 PM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 12:13 PM
The definition of a Muslim is one who believes in God and is a good person; therefore Gandhi fits that definition.

Ok, if you intend it by that meaning, than most everyone is Muslim. So what's your point? I can be a Muslim Christian, a Muslim Jew, a Muslim Hindu or Buddhist; why convert to Islam proper and follow the Qur'an?

quran give us the best guidance for life

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Reply #148 - April 12, 2009, 12:35 PM

Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 12:31 PM
Quote from: awais on April 12, 2009, 12:18 PM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 12:13 PM
The definition of a Muslim is one who believes in God and is a good person; therefore Gandhi fits that definition.

Ok, if you intend it by that meaning, than most everyone is Muslim. So what's your point? I can be a Muslim Christian, a Muslim Jew, a Muslim Hindu or Buddhist; why convert to Islam proper and follow the Qur'an?

quran give us the best guidance for life

Doesn't seem like that, when we look at all the bombings, stonings, lashings in Muslim countries & all the terrorism by Muslims!

Also, its your belief that Quran gives the best guidance for life, doesn't make it true!

World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
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Reply #149 - April 12, 2009, 12:35 PM

Quote from: Tlaloc on April 12, 2009, 12:24 PM
Quote from: kope on April 12, 2009, 12:15 PM
Quote from: Tlaloc on April 12, 2009, 09:07 AM
I hope nobody will ever claim that Archimedes or Epicurus or Leonardo Da Vinci were Muslims, or I will wage an unholy war upon them.

the diffinition of muslim is the one who believe in god and a good person

So, technically, one can be a Muslim while still believing that Mohammed was a deluded fool?
As long as he believes in at least one God and commits good deeds?

if you believe that ignorantly then yes

please read my blog, read how islam will win
the clash of civilization.

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