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  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #30 - April 19, 2009, 10:34 AM

    BMZ - would you please be gracious enough to respond to my post?

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  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #31 - April 19, 2009, 10:37 AM

    I expect we'll be adding this topic to the list of topics BMZ has run away from. He's great at making assertions but terrible at sticking around to back them up.


    I am here, osmanthus. I can't be sitting 24 hours here. I don't like silly remarks like BMZ has run away from mature persons. Do not assume!

    When you do that you make an ass of yourself, not me.

    Cheers
    BMZ
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #32 - April 19, 2009, 11:01 AM

    Wonderful. Since you're here you can respond to people's posts. I mean the posts that ask questions about solid points. Those posts.

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  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #33 - April 19, 2009, 11:03 AM

    Of course a female that hasn't reached her menses is still a child. Would BMZ be cool with marrying his hypothetical premenstrual girl to a 60 yr. old man? Tongue


    It is a cool question. Have you seen anyone in Muslim families doing that, during you 'Muslim' days?


    The reasons Muslims dont do it today, is because the majority accept modern societal conventions over above the Quran.

    You dont accept the hadith if it contravenes the Quran.  And you dont accept the Quran if it contravenes what Muslims do today.  Cheesy

    And you dont accept what Muslims do today as it contravenes the Quran.   idiot2




    I actually thought this was an excellent point.  Afro But I'm scared BMZ will put me on ignore again, if I mentioned this... Wink

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  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #34 - April 19, 2009, 11:04 AM

    BMZ, right at the moment I'm not in the mood for pandering to trolling. If you want to discuss the paralysis of the kafir mind you can discuss it right here with a nice bunch of kafirs. Get cracking, sunshine.

    Now, how about answering my question: If a girl is too young to have reached puberty is she a child or not?


    That is what I intend to do here, so do not use the word troll or trolling again, please. I am the one who opened this topic and I know how paralysed is the Kafir's mind.

    Yes, a girl who has not reached puberty, is a child.

    Now, my questions to you:

    I quoted an Indian Kafir as Ayesha Ahmed, who quoted "65.4 "If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months?"" and hope you have read my opening post.

    Now tell me where does it say "child" in Qur'aan? You can quote from translations by well-known scholars or translators.

    Where did this paralysed brain Ayesha Ahmed get it from? Do you agree with her? If you do, give your reason and explanation.

    The above was one example which shows the Paralysis of the Indian Kafir's mind.

    Cheers

    BMZ

    Hope this goes through.
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #35 - April 19, 2009, 11:07 AM

    In this regard, I must mention an Indian Kafir, who carries the nickname Ayesha Ahmed, another pathological liar, who writes for FFI and wrote this:

    Quote
    65.4 "If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months?"


    Note how the wretched woman has added the word child in above!


    i know her for over 10 year she is a low life hindu claiming to be an ex muslim dance


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  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #36 - April 19, 2009, 11:11 AM


    I actually thought this was an excellent point.  Afro But I'm scared BMZ will put me on ignore again, if I mentioned this... Wink


    No, I will not put you on ignore for this. If and when I put you on ignore, try to think what made me do that. The topic is obvious, so let us stick to that.

    Let me ask you what I have asked osmanthus. Which translations of Qur'aan by renowned translators show any word "child" in the verse, forged by Ayesha Ahmed, a paralysed kafir mind?

    More after dinner.  Smiley

    BMZ
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #37 - April 19, 2009, 11:12 AM

    BMZ, right at the moment I'm not in the mood for pandering to trolling. If you want to discuss the paralysis of the kafir mind you can discuss it right here with a nice bunch of kafirs. Get cracking, sunshine.

    Now, how about answering my question: If a girl is too young to have reached puberty is she a child or not?


    That is what I intend to do here, so do not use the word troll or trolling again, please. I am the one who opened this topic and I know how paralysed is the Kafir's mind.

    Yes, a girl who has not reached puberty, is a child.

    Now, my questions to you:

    I quoted an Indian Kafir as Ayesha Ahmed, who quoted "65.4 "If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months?"" and hope you have read my opening post.

    Now tell me where does it say "child" in Qur'aan? You can quote from translations by well-known scholars or translators.

    Where did this paralysed brain Ayesha Ahmed get it from? Do you agree with her? If you do, give your reason and explanation.

    The above was one example which shows the Paralysis of the Indian Kafir's mind.

    Cheers

    BMZ

    Hope this goes through.

    It doesn't say "child" in the Quran but it does say "wife before she reaches menstruation age". Now, before a girl menstruates she is pre-pubescent. This is a basic fact of biology. Ergo, she is still a child, regardless of whether the Quran uses the word "child" or not.

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  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #38 - April 19, 2009, 11:13 AM

    BMZ, right at the moment I'm not in the mood for pandering to trolling. If you want to discuss the paralysis of the kafir mind you can discuss it right here with a nice bunch of kafirs. Get cracking, sunshine.

    Now, how about answering my question: If a girl is too young to have reached puberty is she a child or not?


    That is what I intend to do here, so do not use the word troll or trolling again, please. I am the one who opened this topic and I know how paralysed is the Kafir's mind.

    Yes, a girl who has not reached puberty, is a child.

    Now, my questions to you:

    I quoted an Indian Kafir as Ayesha Ahmed, who quoted "65.4 "If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months?"" and hope you have read my opening post.

    Now tell me where does it say "child" in Qur'aan? You can quote from translations by well-known scholars or translators.

    Where did this paralysed brain Ayesha Ahmed get it from? Do you agree with her? If you do, give your reason and explanation.

    The above was one example which shows the Paralysis of the Indian Kafir's mind.

    Cheers

    BMZ

    Hope this goes through.


    Tafsir Qurtubi states it. This is where she got it. The same place that adds (lightly) to the beat them verse (4:34). If you acccept that addition in the beat them verse (the one that says lightly-which is extracted from tafsir) then you have to accept tafsir qurtubi here where he says children.

    ill show u.

    "وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ"

    يَعْنِي الصَّغِيرَة فَعِدَّتهنَّ ثَلَاثَة أَشْهُر ; فَأُضْمِرَ الْخَبَر . وَإِنَّمَا كَانَتْ عِدَّتهَا بِالْأَشْهُرِ لِعَدَمِ الْأَقْرَاء فِيهَا عَادَة , وَالْأَحْكَام إِنَّمَا أَجْرَاهَا اللَّه تَعَالَى عَلَى الْعَادَات ; فَهِيَ تَعْتَدّ بِالْأَشْهُرِ . فَإِذَا رَأَتْ الدَّم فِي زَمَن اِحْتِمَاله عِنْد النِّسَاء اِنْتَقَلَتْ إِلَى الدَّم لِوُجُودِ الْأَصْل , وَإِذَا وُجِدَ الْأَصْل لَمْ يَبْقَ لِلْبَدَلِ حُكْم ; كَمَا أَنَّ الْمُسِنَّة إِذَا اِعْتَدَّتْ بِالدَّمِ ثُمَّ اِرْتَفَعَ عَادَتْ إِلَى الْأَشْهُر . وَهَذَا إِجْمَاع

    Transliteration: "ya'ani al sagheera"

    Translation: "this means the female child"

    You can go on google translate if you want and it will say (not very good translation but you get the gist):

    "And who did not Embosoms

    I mean small Fdthn three months; Vodmr news. Rather, it may bring months of non-Aloqra normally, and the provisions but the God customs; are traditionally months. If the blood in a time of intolerable women moved to the origin of the presence of blood, and if the asset has not been found, such as the rule of the allowance; and the older blood if used and then rose back to the months. This consensus"



  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #39 - April 19, 2009, 11:15 AM

    In this regard, I must mention an Indian Kafir, who carries the nickname Ayesha Ahmed, another pathological liar, who writes for FFI and wrote this:

    Quote
    65.4 "If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months?"


    Note how the wretched woman has added the word child in above!


    i know her for over 10 year she is a low life hindu claiming to be an ex muslim dance


    salam


    I have never heard her name before, kope. I came across the scumbag's name only today. I don't even know if it is a she or a he.  Cheesy I don't believe she is a genuine ex-Muslim. A genuine ex-Muslim can never be so crude.

    Salaams
    BMZ
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #40 - April 19, 2009, 11:17 AM

    Daft.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #41 - April 19, 2009, 11:23 AM

    BMZ, right at the moment I'm not in the mood for pandering to trolling. If you want to discuss the paralysis of the kafir mind you can discuss it right here with a nice bunch of kafirs. Get cracking, sunshine.

    Now, how about answering my question: If a girl is too young to have reached puberty is she a child or not?


    That is what I intend to do here, so do not use the word troll or trolling again, please. I am the one who opened this topic and I know how paralysed is the Kafir's mind.

    Yes, a girl who has not reached puberty, is a child.

    Now, my questions to you:

    I quoted an Indian Kafir as Ayesha Ahmed, who quoted "65.4 "If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months?"" and hope you have read my opening post.

    Now tell me where does it say "child" in Qur'aan? You can quote from translations by well-known scholars or translators.

    Where did this paralysed brain Ayesha Ahmed get it from? Do you agree with her? If you do, give your reason and explanation.

    The above was one example which shows the Paralysis of the Indian Kafir's mind.

    Cheers

    BMZ

    Hope this goes through.


    Tafsir Qurtubi states it. This is where she got it. The same place that adds (lightly) to the beat them verse (4:34). If you acccept that addition in the beat them verse (the one that says lightly-which is extracted from tafsir) then you have to accept tafsir qurtubi here where he says children.

    ill show u.

    "وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ"

    يَعْنِي الصَّغِيرَة فَعِدَّتهنَّ ثَلَاثَة أَشْهُر ; فَأُضْمِرَ الْخَبَر . وَإِنَّمَا كَانَتْ عِدَّتهَا بِالْأَشْهُرِ لِعَدَمِ الْأَقْرَاء فِيهَا عَادَة , وَالْأَحْكَام إِنَّمَا أَجْرَاهَا اللَّه تَعَالَى عَلَى الْعَادَات ; فَهِيَ تَعْتَدّ بِالْأَشْهُرِ . فَإِذَا رَأَتْ الدَّم فِي زَمَن اِحْتِمَاله عِنْد النِّسَاء اِنْتَقَلَتْ إِلَى الدَّم لِوُجُودِ الْأَصْل , وَإِذَا وُجِدَ الْأَصْل لَمْ يَبْقَ لِلْبَدَلِ حُكْم ; كَمَا أَنَّ الْمُسِنَّة إِذَا اِعْتَدَّتْ بِالدَّمِ ثُمَّ اِرْتَفَعَ عَادَتْ إِلَى الْأَشْهُر . وَهَذَا إِجْمَاع

    Transliteration: "ya'ani al sagheera"

    Translation: "this means the female child"

    You can go on google translate if you want and it will say (not very good translation but you get the gist):

    "And who did not Embosoms

    I mean small Fdthn three months; Vodmr news. Rather, it may bring months of non-Aloqra normally, and the provisions but the God customs; are traditionally months. If the blood in a time of intolerable women moved to the origin of the presence of blood, and if the asset has not been found, such as the rule of the allowance; and the older blood if used and then rose back to the months. This consensus"



    What does the Qur'aan say? Don't quote me any tafsir. I can do an on the spot tafsir myself. I understand Qur'aan in Arabic.
    Please discuss the verse here. I have formatted the Arabic quoted by you, so please try to follow that by looking when you reply. It will turn out very presentable here.

       وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ 

    What is the name of the Surah and what is the topic being discussed in the Surah, where you saw this verse?

    BMZ

     
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #42 - April 19, 2009, 11:26 AM

    Daft.


    Duh!
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #43 - April 19, 2009, 11:32 AM

    BMZ, right at the moment I'm not in the mood for pandering to trolling. If you want to discuss the paralysis of the kafir mind you can discuss it right here with a nice bunch of kafirs. Get cracking, sunshine.

    Now, how about answering my question: If a girl is too young to have reached puberty is she a child or not?


    That is what I intend to do here, so do not use the word troll or trolling again, please. I am the one who opened this topic and I know how paralysed is the Kafir's mind.

    Yes, a girl who has not reached puberty, is a child.

    Now, my questions to you:

    I quoted an Indian Kafir as Ayesha Ahmed, who quoted "65.4 "If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months?"" and hope you have read my opening post.

    Now tell me where does it say "child" in Qur'aan? You can quote from translations by well-known scholars or translators.

    Where did this paralysed brain Ayesha Ahmed get it from? Do you agree with her? If you do, give your reason and explanation.

    The above was one example which shows the Paralysis of the Indian Kafir's mind.

    Cheers

    BMZ

    Hope this goes through.


    Tafsir Qurtubi states it. This is where she got it. The same place that adds (lightly) to the beat them verse (4:34). If you acccept that addition in the beat them verse (the one that says lightly-which is extracted from tafsir) then you have to accept tafsir qurtubi here where he says children.

    ill show u.

    "وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ"

    يَعْنِي الصَّغِيرَة فَعِدَّتهنَّ ثَلَاثَة أَشْهُر ; فَأُضْمِرَ الْخَبَر . وَإِنَّمَا كَانَتْ عِدَّتهَا بِالْأَشْهُرِ لِعَدَمِ الْأَقْرَاء فِيهَا عَادَة , وَالْأَحْكَام إِنَّمَا أَجْرَاهَا اللَّه تَعَالَى عَلَى الْعَادَات ; فَهِيَ تَعْتَدّ بِالْأَشْهُرِ . فَإِذَا رَأَتْ الدَّم فِي زَمَن اِحْتِمَاله عِنْد النِّسَاء اِنْتَقَلَتْ إِلَى الدَّم لِوُجُودِ الْأَصْل , وَإِذَا وُجِدَ الْأَصْل لَمْ يَبْقَ لِلْبَدَلِ حُكْم ; كَمَا أَنَّ الْمُسِنَّة إِذَا اِعْتَدَّتْ بِالدَّمِ ثُمَّ اِرْتَفَعَ عَادَتْ إِلَى الْأَشْهُر . وَهَذَا إِجْمَاع

    Transliteration: "ya'ani al sagheera"

    Translation: "this means the female child"

    You can go on google translate if you want and it will say (not very good translation but you get the gist):

    "And who did not Embosoms

    I mean small Fdthn three months; Vodmr news. Rather, it may bring months of non-Aloqra normally, and the provisions but the God customs; are traditionally months. If the blood in a time of intolerable women moved to the origin of the presence of blood, and if the asset has not been found, such as the rule of the allowance; and the older blood if used and then rose back to the months. This consensus"



    What does the Qur'aan say? Don't quote me any tafsir. I can do an on the spot tafsir myself. I understand Qur'aan in Arabic.
    Please discuss the verse here. I have formatted the Arabic quoted by you, so please try to follow that by looking when you reply. It will turn out very presentable here.

       وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ 

    What is the name of the Surah and what is the topic being discussed in the Surah, where you saw this verse?

    BMZ

    We were discussing 65:4, or have you forgotten already? Do you accept any English translation of 65:4 as being accurate?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #44 - April 19, 2009, 11:35 AM


    I was referring to you. Dur.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #45 - April 19, 2009, 11:36 AM

    Quote from: astaghfirullah
    well thats just fine with me cause when you work in saudi for years upon years you learn some arabic. unless hes an arab i doubt his arabic is that good and from what i can understand this isnt referring to menopause at all. im sure all other arabic speakers on that place ffi and here have said samish things.


    He is not even an arab. Arabic is his second language and yet he claims as if he knows everything in arabic.
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #46 - April 19, 2009, 11:41 AM

    BMZ, right at the moment I'm not in the mood for pandering to trolling. If you want to discuss the paralysis of the kafir mind you can discuss it right here with a nice bunch of kafirs. Get cracking, sunshine.

    Now, how about answering my question: If a girl is too young to have reached puberty is she a child or not?


    That is what I intend to do here, so do not use the word troll or trolling again, please. I am the one who opened this topic and I know how paralysed is the Kafir's mind.

    Yes, a girl who has not reached puberty, is a child.

    Now, my questions to you:

    I quoted an Indian Kafir as Ayesha Ahmed, who quoted "65.4 "If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months?"" and hope you have read my opening post.

    Now tell me where does it say "child" in Qur'aan? You can quote from translations by well-known scholars or translators.

    Where did this paralysed brain Ayesha Ahmed get it from? Do you agree with her? If you do, give your reason and explanation.

    The above was one example which shows the Paralysis of the Indian Kafir's mind.

    Cheers

    BMZ

    Hope this goes through.

    It doesn't say "child" in the Quran but it does say "wife before she reaches menstruation age". Now, before a girl menstruates she is pre-pubescent. This is a basic fact of biology. Ergo, she is still a child, regardless of whether the Quran uses the word "child" or not.


    Thanks for proving my assertion about the paralysis of a kafir mind. You just did that and it was a great help.

    So, how did that paralysed mind, Ayesha Ahmed come up with the word child? Do you now see how perverted that woman is? The other part, which is a mistranslation, can be discussed separately. Time for dinner. Will try to catch up with you guys, later.

    Cheers
    BMZ
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #47 - April 19, 2009, 11:41 AM

    Is he maybe trying to infer that such verse is talking about adult women who, for some pathology, have never menstruated?
    :\

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #48 - April 19, 2009, 11:46 AM

    BMZ, right at the moment I'm not in the mood for pandering to trolling. If you want to discuss the paralysis of the kafir mind you can discuss it right here with a nice bunch of kafirs. Get cracking, sunshine.

    Now, how about answering my question: If a girl is too young to have reached puberty is she a child or not?


    That is what I intend to do here, so do not use the word troll or trolling again, please. I am the one who opened this topic and I know how paralysed is the Kafir's mind.

    Yes, a girl who has not reached puberty, is a child.

    Now, my questions to you:

    I quoted an Indian Kafir as Ayesha Ahmed, who quoted "65.4 "If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months?"" and hope you have read my opening post.

    Now tell me where does it say "child" in Qur'aan? You can quote from translations by well-known scholars or translators.

    Where did this paralysed brain Ayesha Ahmed get it from? Do you agree with her? If you do, give your reason and explanation.

    The above was one example which shows the Paralysis of the Indian Kafir's mind.

    Cheers

    BMZ

    Hope this goes through.

    It doesn't say "child" in the Quran but it does say "wife before she reaches menstruation age". Now, before a girl menstruates she is pre-pubescent. This is a basic fact of biology. Ergo, she is still a child, regardless of whether the Quran uses the word "child" or not.


    Thanks for proving my assertion about the paralysis of a kafir mind. You just did that and it was a great help.

    I did nothing of the sort, BMZ, regardless of your ludicrous assertion. What I did was point out that the inclusion or otherwise of the word "child" was irrelevant.


    Quote
    So, how did that paralysed mind, Ayesha Ahmed come up with the word child? Do you now see how perverted that woman is? The other part, which is a mistranslation, can be discussed separately. Time for dinner. Will try to catch up with you guys, later.

    Cheers
    BMZ

    You're dissembling. You know perfectly well how "she came up with the word child". It has been clearly pointed out to you already in this thread, only a few posts back. It came from Tafsir Qurtubi. In other words, it wasn't the invention of a dirty kafir. It was taken from the words of respected traditional Islamic scholars. In other words BMZ, it is a part of mainstream Islam and has been for ages.

    But you know this already. You're just pretending to not know.

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  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #49 - April 19, 2009, 12:57 PM

    Now, how about answering my question: If a girl is too young to have reached puberty is she a child or not?

    Yes, a girl who has not reached puberty, is a child.


    Great! So BMZ himself admits that a girl who has not reached puberty, is a child.  great

    So then, whats' the problem in anyone calling a child, a child?  Huh? Is the word "child" an ageist slur? Is it insulting to be called a child, like it is insulting to be called a nigger?

    If its written somewhere that "Mr A can't hear anything," & I write, "Mr A is deaf," is that wrong? The fact that Mr A is unable to hear means that Mr A is deaf.

    You yourself state that a girl who hasn't reached puberty, is a child, so why do you object to calling her one?

    Now tell me where does it say "child" in Qur'aan? You can quote from translations by well-known scholars or translators.

    Where did this paralysed brain Ayesha Ahmed get it from? Do you agree with her? If you do, give your reason and explanation.


    Not only do I agree with this person, but even you seem to agree, you say that a girl who hasn't reached puberty is a child, we say that a girl who hasn't reached puberty is a child, this person writes child.

    So whats' the problem here?

    Besides, it must've been obvious to Islamic scholars too, who also thought of the pre menstrual wife as a "child".

    Are you objecting to calling a spade a spade, or in this particular case, a child a child? Roll Eyes
    Should we now invent some euphemism for the word "child", or avoid mentioning it in public places, as its a dirty word Zipit?

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  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #50 - April 19, 2009, 01:06 PM

    Listen up brainlessmuslimzombie cause im going to say this and im going to say it once and will not be repeating myself so pay attention!

    I know you dont accept tafsir. Why? anyone who argues on the internet will not accept tafsir because it is way too embarrassing, why is it embarrassing? because real islam is found in tafsir, islam that was practiced properly and deduced properly by scholars who were tabiyeen (knew the sahaba) and therfore spent their whole lives on tafsir. the reason i quoted it was not for authority, but was because you were inferring and implying that ayesha ahmed was the one who inserted (child) but it wasnt ayesha ahmed who put this word in brackets, it was mufassirs just like they did when they put (lightly) in 4:34-which by the way is what you muslims use to try and make your poxy religion look good.

    anyway. the word  لَمْ  means "never have" or "never will". how do i know? I lived in saudi for years. did you leave in saudi? where do you know your arabic from? pretending to know arabic is lying, which is haram.  I can prove it via showing it in quranic context in other areas

    I believe you know surah al ikhlas (112) "qul hoo allahuahad". in surah al ikhlas verse 112:3  لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ

    means he has never had any children. is this true? "lam" therefore means has never before in the context of the one we are talking about because it is referring to children. it means they haven't had their period before. if it meant they used to have a period (like menopause like you are pretending) then it would mean that allah used to have a child but doesnt anymore! now, since allah never had children and he uses "lam", then these young girls have never had a period and it is used again "lam". while "lam" also means he will never (in the future tense) in surah al ikhlas, its differant because for menopause to happen someone must have had a period and not have it anymore, if this was true this verse would say (no longer or never again) rather than an expressive and absolute never. meaning: "never before".



    School is out.
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #51 - April 19, 2009, 01:10 PM

    Listen up brainlessmuslimzombie cause im going to say this and im going to say it once and will not be repeating myself so pay attention!

    I know you dont accept tafsir. Why? anyone who argues on the internet will not accept tafsir because it is way too embarrassing, why is it embarrassing? because real islam is found in tafsir, islam that was practiced properly and deduced properly by scholars who were tabiyeen (knew the sahaba) and therfore spent their whole lives on tafsir. the reason i quoted it was not for authority, but was because you were inferring and implying that ayesha ahmed was the one who inserted (child) but it wasnt ayesha ahmed who put this word in brackets, it was mufassirs just like they did when they put (lightly) in 4:34-which by the way is what you muslims use to try and make your poxy religion look good.

    anyway. the word  لَمْ  means "never have" or "never will". how do i know? I lived in saudi for years. did you leave in saudi? where do you know your arabic from? pretending to know arabic is lying, which is haram.  I can prove it via showing it in quranic context in other areas

    I believe you know surah al ikhlas (112) "qul hoo allahuahad". in surah al ikhlas verse 112:3  لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ

    means he has never had any children. is this true? "lam" therefore means has never before in the context of the one we are talking about because it is referring to children. it means they haven't had their period before. if it meant they used to have a period (like menopause like you are pretending) then it would mean that allah used to have a child but doesnt anymore! now, since allah never had children and he uses "lam", then these young girls have never had a period and it is used again "lam". while "lam" also means he will never (in the future tense) in surah al ikhlas, its differant because for menopause to happen someone must have had a period and not have it anymore, if this was true this verse would say (no longer or never again) rather than an expressive and absolute never. meaning: "never before".



    School is out.


    Yes school is out. I did warn you once today already. You do not refer to any member here as "brainlessmuslimzombie". You've just racked up your first smite. I'd prefer it if you'd refrain from racking up any more, but it's your choice.

    Other than that slip up it was a very good post.

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  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #52 - April 19, 2009, 01:23 PM

    In this regard, I must mention an Indian Kafir, who carries the nickname Ayesha Ahmed, another pathological liar, who writes for FFI and wrote this:

    Quote
    65.4 "If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months?"


    Note how the wretched woman has added the word child in above!


    i know her for over 10 year she is a low life hindu claiming to be an ex muslim dance


    salam


    I have never heard her name before, kope. I came across the scumbag's name only today. I don't even know if it is a she or a he.  Cheesy I don't believe she is a genuine ex-Muslim. A genuine ex-Muslim can never be so crude.

    Salaams
    BMZ

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  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #53 - April 19, 2009, 01:26 PM

    Listen up brainlessmuslimzombie cause im going to say this and im going to say it once and will not be repeating myself so pay attention!

    I know you dont accept tafsir. Why? anyone who argues on the internet will not accept tafsir because it is way too embarrassing, why is it embarrassing? because real islam is found in tafsir, islam that was practiced properly and deduced properly by scholars who were tabiyeen (knew the sahaba) and therfore spent their whole lives on tafsir. the reason i quoted it was not for authority, but was because you were inferring and implying that ayesha ahmed was the one who inserted (child) but it wasnt ayesha ahmed who put this word in brackets, it was mufassirs just like they did when they put (lightly) in 4:34-which by the way is what you muslims use to try and make your poxy religion look good.

    anyway. the word  لَمْ  means "never have" or "never will". how do i know? I lived in saudi for years. did you leave in saudi? where do you know your arabic from? pretending to know arabic is lying, which is haram.  I can prove it via showing it in quranic context in other areas

    I believe you know surah al ikhlas (112) "qul hoo allahuahad". in surah al ikhlas verse 112:3  لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ

    means he has never had any children. is this true? "lam" therefore means has never before in the context of the one we are talking about because it is referring to children. it means they haven't had their period before. if it meant they used to have a period (like menopause like you are pretending) then it would mean that allah used to have a child but doesnt anymore! now, since allah never had children and he uses "lam", then these young girls have never had a period and it is used again "lam". while "lam" also means he will never (in the future tense) in surah al ikhlas, its differant because for menopause to happen someone must have had a period and not have it anymore, if this was true this verse would say (no longer or never again) rather than an expressive and absolute never. meaning: "never before".



    School is out.


    Yes school is out. I did warn you once today already. You do not refer to any member here as "brainlessmuslimzombie". You've just racked up your first smite. I'd prefer it if you'd refrain from racking up any more, but it's your choice.

    Other than that slip up it was a very good post.


    sorry guv. wont happen again.
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #54 - April 19, 2009, 01:29 PM

    Is he maybe trying to infer that such verse is talking about adult women who, for some pathology, have never menstruated?
    :\

    It would suit them if the verse meant that, however alla-iy lam yahidna i.e. those who have not yet menstruated consist of:

    • Prepubescent children mostly - I'm willing to bet at least 99% of those who have not yet menstruated
    • Women not menstruating for reasons of disease - probably not even 1%.

    So, was the verse revealed for the invariable situation of underage females not menstruating or the rare and unusual case of disease? If believers in Koran say it's the latter, they should provide evidence.


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  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #55 - April 19, 2009, 01:32 PM


    anyway. the word  لَمْ  means "never have" or "never will". how do i know? I lived in saudi for years. did you leave in saudi? where do you know your arabic from? pretending to know arabic is lying, which is haram.  I can prove it via showing it in quranic context in other areas

    I believe you know surah al ikhlas (112) "qul hoo allahuahad". in surah al ikhlas verse 112:3  لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ

    means he has never had any children. is this true? "lam" therefore means has never before in the context of the one we are talking about because it is referring to children. it means they haven't had their period before. if it meant they used to have a period (like menopause like you are pretending) then it would mean that allah used to have a child but doesnt anymore! now, since allah never had children and he uses "lam", then these young girls have never had a period and it is used again "lam". while "lam" also means he will never (in the future tense) in surah al ikhlas, its differant because for menopause to happen someone must have had a period and not have it anymore, if this was true this verse would say (no longer or never again) rather than an expressive and absolute never. meaning: "never before".



    School is out.


    I agree with most of this, although Lan rather than Lam is used to deny in the future tense.

    "It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries... But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah"

    -Sayyid Qutb, Milestones
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #56 - April 19, 2009, 01:59 PM

    BMZ, right at the moment I'm not in the mood for pandering to trolling. If you want to discuss the paralysis of the kafir mind you can discuss it right here with a nice bunch of kafirs. Get cracking, sunshine.

    Now, how about answering my question: If a girl is too young to have reached puberty is she a child or not?


    That is what I intend to do here, so do not use the word troll or trolling again, please. I am the one who opened this topic and I know how paralysed is the Kafir's mind.

    Yes, a girl who has not reached puberty, is a child.

    Now, my questions to you:

    I quoted an Indian Kafir as Ayesha Ahmed, who quoted "65.4 "If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months?"" and hope you have read my opening post.

    Now tell me where does it say "child" in Qur'aan? You can quote from translations by well-known scholars or translators.

    Where did this paralysed brain Ayesha Ahmed get it from? Do you agree with her? If you do, give your reason and explanation.

    The above was one example which shows the Paralysis of the Indian Kafir's mind.

    Cheers

    BMZ

    Hope this goes through.


    Tafsir Qurtubi states it. This is where she got it. The same place that adds (lightly) to the beat them verse (4:34). If you acccept that addition in the beat them verse (the one that says lightly-which is extracted from tafsir) then you have to accept tafsir qurtubi here where he says children.

    ill show u.

    "وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ"

    يَعْنِي الصَّغِيرَة فَعِدَّتهنَّ ثَلَاثَة أَشْهُر ; فَأُضْمِرَ الْخَبَر . وَإِنَّمَا كَانَتْ عِدَّتهَا بِالْأَشْهُرِ لِعَدَمِ الْأَقْرَاء فِيهَا عَادَة , وَالْأَحْكَام إِنَّمَا أَجْرَاهَا اللَّه تَعَالَى عَلَى الْعَادَات ; فَهِيَ تَعْتَدّ بِالْأَشْهُرِ . فَإِذَا رَأَتْ الدَّم فِي زَمَن اِحْتِمَاله عِنْد النِّسَاء اِنْتَقَلَتْ إِلَى الدَّم لِوُجُودِ الْأَصْل , وَإِذَا وُجِدَ الْأَصْل لَمْ يَبْقَ لِلْبَدَلِ حُكْم ; كَمَا أَنَّ الْمُسِنَّة إِذَا اِعْتَدَّتْ بِالدَّمِ ثُمَّ اِرْتَفَعَ عَادَتْ إِلَى الْأَشْهُر . وَهَذَا إِجْمَاع

    Transliteration: "ya'ani al sagheera"

    Translation: "this means the female child"

    You can go on google translate if you want and it will say (not very good translation but you get the gist):

    "And who did not Embosoms

    I mean small Fdthn three months; Vodmr news. Rather, it may bring months of non-Aloqra normally, and the provisions but the God customs; are traditionally months. If the blood in a time of intolerable women moved to the origin of the presence of blood, and if the asset has not been found, such as the rule of the allowance; and the older blood if used and then rose back to the months. This consensus"



    What does the Qur'aan say? Don't quote me any tafsir. I can do an on the spot tafsir myself. I understand Qur'aan in Arabic.
    Please discuss the verse here. I have formatted the Arabic quoted by you, so please try to follow that by looking when you reply. It will turn out very presentable here.

       وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ 

    What is the name of the Surah and what is the topic being discussed in the Surah, where you saw this verse?

    BMZ

    We were discussing 65:4, or have you forgotten already? Do you accept any English translation of 65:4 as being accurate?


    Everything is going in the favour of my thread title, osmanthus. Again we see the paralysis of the kafir mind here. You took it to mean something else. That is a problem which comes under my topic.

    It was addressed to Astaghfirullah and I wanted him to write back that it was Surah Talaq meaning the Surah on Divorce. If he had answered, I would have written that it was not Surah Nikah or Surah Nikah-i-latfaal.  Cheesy

    I will accept a good translation. You can quote me some. If I find the thranslation poor, I will do one myself.

    I can consider Yusuf Ali, Asad, Arberry, Pickthall, Rodwell, even George Sale okay for this particular verse. 

    Cheers
    BMZ
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #57 - April 19, 2009, 02:42 PM

    Listen up brainlessmuslimzombie cause im going to say this and im going to say it once and will not be repeating myself so pay attention!


    Thank you for supporting The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind. 

    Quote from: Astaghfirullah"
    I know you dont accept tafsir. Why? anyone who argues on the internet will not accept tafsir because it is way too embarrassing, why is it embarrassing? because real islam is found in tafsir, islam that was practiced properly and deduced properly by scholars who were tabiyeen (knew the sahaba) and therfore spent their whole lives on tafsir. the reason i quoted it was not for authority, but was because you were inferring and implying that ayesha ahmed was the one who inserted (child) but it wasnt ayesha ahmed who put this word in brackets, it was mufassirs just like they did when they put (lightly) in 4:34-which by the way is what you muslims use to try and make your poxy religion look good.


    Tafsir simply means explanation. Hundreds have done it. I can do it and many others have also done it in the last one hundred years. Qur'aan is the scripture of Islam and I go by that. There is nothing embarrassing in reading junk and stuff. Tafsirs and ahaadith are collections open to all. I can reject the junk and accept what makes good sense.

    Can you quote me plenty of mufassireens to show the word child  in their explanations?

    Ayesha Ahmed is not the only idiot who is doing the nonsense, there are characters like Ali Sina, ibn Warraq, Ibn Barracks, Kamran Mirza, Abul Kasem, Robert Spencer, Amil Amani and many other goons.

    Quote from: Astaghfirullah"
    anyway. the word  لَمْ  means "never have" or "never will". how do i know? I lived in saudi for years. did you leave in saudi? where do you know your arabic from? pretending to know arabic is lying, which is haram.  I can prove it via showing it in quranic context in other areas


    Who is talking and writing Haram here? You are the one telling me!  Cheesy Living in Saudi Arabia will not change you even in fifty years. Twenty years ago, I was sitting in the Haram and I asked one Arab to explain a verse to me. He refused by saying, "Haraam!" lol! They are used to it because they do not dare use their own brain.

    Quote from: Astaghfirullah"
    I believe you know surah al ikhlas (112) "qul hoo allahuahad".


    Yes, I do.

    Quote from: Astaghfirullah"
    in surah al ikhlas verse 112:3  لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ

    means he has never had any children. is this true?


    No, it is not true. Look at some good translations and tell me if you see that:

    Quote
    Yusuf Ali:   "He begetteth not, nor is He begotten"

    M. Asad:    "He begets not, and neither is He begotten"

    Pickthal:   "He begetteth not nor was begotten"

    Arberry (Non-Muslim):   "who has not begotten, and has not been begotten"

    J M Rodwell (Non-Muslim)   He begetteth not, and He is not begotten;

    George Sale (Non-Muslim):   "He begetteth not, neither is He begotten"

    Maulana Muhammad Ali:   "He begets not, nor is He begotten"

    It is so ridiculous to use 'never before' or 'never had' as it would show God had a child, a freak, later.  Cheesy

    Quote from: Astaghfirullah"
    "lam" therefore means has never before in the context of the one we are talking about because it is referring to children. it means they haven't had their period before. if it meant they used to have a period (like menopause like you are pretending) then it would mean that allah used to have a child but doesnt anymore! now, since allah never had children and he uses "lam", then these young girls have never had a period and it is used again "lam". while "lam" also means he will never (in the future tense) in surah al ikhlas, its differant because for menopause to happen someone must have had a period and not have it anymore, if this was true this verse would say (no longer or never again) rather than an expressive and absolute never. meaning: "never before"


    The 'lam' bubble has already been busted above.

    Quote from: Astaghfirullah"
    School is out.


    School never opened.

    Cheers
    BMZ


  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #58 - April 19, 2009, 02:53 PM

    Is he maybe trying to infer that such verse is talking about adult women who, for some pathology, have never menstruated?
    :\



    I don't think the Sicko, I mean Ayesha Ahmed understands that. If a husband had married a woman who had lost her periods and had a menopause very early, then she will be automatically covered under the first clause of the verse.

    BMZ
  • Re: Wanted to discuss The Paralysis of the Kafir Mind
     Reply #59 - April 19, 2009, 05:21 PM

    Is he maybe trying to infer that such verse is talking about adult women who, for some pathology, have never menstruated?
    :\



    I don't think the Sicko, I mean Ayesha Ahmed understands that. If a husband had married a woman who had lost her periods and had a menopause very early, then she will be automatically covered under the first clause of the verse.

    BMZ

    And all the sicko Muslims who came up with equivalent translations interpretations as well?

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
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