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  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #210 - May 18, 2009, 02:45 PM
    For some strange reason one fallicy is never included
    by the Atheists in their list of logical screw ups.

    The fallacy of fleeing the debate when your arguments have been demolished.

    Most Atheist dont like to be reminded of that fallicy.

    They even deny its existence.

     Wink
    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #211 - May 18, 2009, 02:46 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 02:25 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on May 18, 2009, 12:48 PM

    My boyfriend has saved several lives, and by that I mean he has saved them from DYING.

    He is an atheist. He hasn't been touched by god.

    What makes you more worthy than him?


    I dont know your boyfriend. He seems a good guy.

    If I talk to him, then maybe I could give you an answer.

    Maybe your boyfriend does not like God to touch him?

    For eaxmple,

    A girl may be worthy of being touched, but if she is bent lesbo,
    then no matter how good she is, no matter how many lives she saves, 
    it is obvious that no man will touch her because she is not interested in men.

    One has to be interested in God instead of monkeys.

    The Supreme Being does not force himself on anyone.

    God is not a rapist.

    That should be sufficent for a thinking lady like you.



    This is heartbombs boyfriend.

    I have always been open to new ideas and religions and have looked into more than a few. I like the complexity of the stories and the idea that someone is watching over us, to protect us and to guide us. However i find it to be just not true. It's not that im not open there is just nothing there. No one has ever proven god to me and faith is ignorance.

    Not that i would ever praise the man who designed this world.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #212 - May 18, 2009, 02:47 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 02:45 PM
    For some strange reason one fallicy is never included
    in the list of logical screw ups.

    The fallacy of fleeing the debate when your arguments have been demolished.

    Most Atheist dont like to be reminded of that fallicy.

    They even deny its existence.

     Wink


    Dude, have you answered Hassan's question? Took you like 5 thread pages to do that.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #213 - May 18, 2009, 02:48 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 11:53 AM
    You can touch me

    You cant touch God

    I can touch you

    Just allow me

    God will touch thee

    Just make thyself worthy




    Well, that looks like a typical archaic, sneering, worthier than thou art, pile of religious-speak horse shit. The more abstruse the language the more believable it's supposed to be, hey? This is now - we don't use language like that now - it belongs to another time on another planet.
    Get a real life and start by looking back into your personal history and re-examining the time when some one first told you there was anything outside of what your senses can detect. Ask yourself 'What evidence did they give me'.
     Give the whole concept of deities, para-normal happenings (including so-called answers to so-called prayers) a fair and critical comparison with the actuality of what you personally detect around you.
    Look at the real world: not the one that's been constructed between your synapses by years of religious indoctrination and brainwashing.
    (And lay off the bold and upper case. It's SOOOOO irritating and makes you appear simple.)
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #214 - May 18, 2009, 03:05 PM
    Yes maam.

     grin12
    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #215 - May 18, 2009, 03:08 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 18, 2009, 02:43 PM

    If a man was rejected by a lesbian and he later kidnapped her, burnt her skin off and then gave her new skin and repeated the same thing over and over again, simply because she was not interested in him... that kind of reduces his chances of being morally perfect.


    I agree with you. I have said that before.

    God would not do that.

    You assume too much against the Almighty.

    Maybe its due to prejudice?

     Wink
    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #216 - May 18, 2009, 03:15 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on May 18, 2009, 02:46 PM
    This is heartbombs boyfriend. I have always been open to new ideas and religions and have looked into more than a few. I like the complexity of the stories and the idea that someone is watching over us, to protect us and to guide us. However i find it to be just not true. It's not that im not open there is just nothing there. No one has ever proven god to me and faith is ignorance. Not that i would ever praise the man who designed this world.


    There you go. That bold bit says it about you.

    You are an art critic only interested in your own greatness.

    You think YOU can judge God's design of the universe for its aesthetic value?

    Whoa.

    You are one "Hell" of a critic.

     Wink

    Dont take it personally Mr boyfriend.

    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #217 - May 18, 2009, 03:17 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 03:08 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 18, 2009, 02:43 PM

    If a man was rejected by a lesbian and he later kidnapped her, burnt her skin off and then gave her new skin and repeated the same thing over and over again, simply because she was not interested in him... that kind of reduces his chances of being morally perfect.


    I agree with you. I have said that before.

    God would not do that.

    You assume too much against the Almighty.

    Maybe its due to prejudice?

     Wink


    You mean God doesn't send anyone to hell after they die?
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #218 - May 18, 2009, 03:20 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 18, 2009, 03:17 PM
    You mean God doesn't send anyone to hell after they die?


    Oh He does.

    Hell is no joke.

    When did I say God does not send anyone to Hell.

    That would make the creation of Hell a useless excercise.

    God does nothing useless.

     grin12
    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #219 - May 18, 2009, 03:28 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 03:15 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on May 18, 2009, 02:46 PM
    This is heartbombs boyfriend. I have always been open to new ideas and religions and have looked into more than a few. I like the complexity of the stories and the idea that someone is watching over us, to protect us and to guide us. However i find it to be just not true. It's not that im not open there is just nothing there. No one has ever proven god to me and faith is ignorance. Not that i would ever praise the man who designed this world.


    There you go. That bold bit says it about you.

    You are an art critic only interested in your own greatness.

    You think YOU can judge God's design of the universe for its aesthetic value?

    Whoa.

    You are one "Hell" of a critic.

     Wink

    Dont take it personally Mr boyfriend.




    Not aesthetic value, moral. Anyone who has the power to stop all of the evil in the world and doesn't is worth nothing to me.
    I see him as a man that watches a rape and does nothing.

    I don't mean to insult you its just my view.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #220 - May 18, 2009, 03:30 PM
    so what religion do you believe in - Islam or Christianity?
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  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #221 - May 18, 2009, 03:34 PM
    This is heartbomb now...

    I like Epicurus' quote:

    ?Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing?
    Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God??
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #222 - May 18, 2009, 03:37 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on May 18, 2009, 03:28 PM

    Not aesthetic value, moral.

    Anyone who has the power to stop all of the evil in the world and doesn't is worth nothing to me.
    I see him as a man that watches a rape and does nothing.

    I don't mean to insult you its just my view.


    Does nothing?

    Oh I see.

    You mean, you too now want that rapist to burn in Hell?

    How nice.

    I think you and me a lot more in common than meets the eye.

    I knew it.

    You are indeed a good man. 

    I could feel the force flow through you.


     grin12

    By the way, you did not insult me. You spoke honestly.

    Good luck.
    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #223 - May 18, 2009, 03:39 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 03:37 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on May 18, 2009, 03:28 PM

    Not aesthetic value, moral.

    Anyone who has the power to stop all of the evil in the world and doesn't is worth nothing to me.
    I see him as a man that watches a rape and does nothing.

    I don't mean to insult you its just my view.


    Does nothing?

    Oh I see.

    You mean, you too now want that rapist to burn in Hell?

    How nice.

    I think you and me a lot more in common than meets the eye.

    I knew it.

    You are indeed a good man.

    I could feel the force flow through you.


     grin12




    My boyfriend is away at the moment, will be back to reply to you soon.

    But I must add that I can see why you believe the Qur'an (or whatever holy book you supposedly follow). You obviously take whatever meaning you want out of what's written down to fit your agenda. Roll Eyes
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #224 - May 18, 2009, 03:41 PM
    Thanks. Dont we all do that?

    God has given me that right.

    He has also given you the right to do with your life as you see fit.

    Me and you will one day stand before Him and account for our actions in this life.

    There is no escaping from that Supreme Court.

    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #225 - May 18, 2009, 03:46 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 03:37 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on May 18, 2009, 03:28 PM

    Not aesthetic value, moral.

    Anyone who has the power to stop all of the evil in the world and doesn't is worth nothing to me.
    I see him as a man that watches a rape and does nothing.

    I don't mean to insult you its just my view.


    Does nothing?

    Oh I see.

    You mean, you too now want that rapist to burn in Hell?

    How nice.

    I think you and me a lot more in common than meets the eye.

    I knew it.

    You are indeed a good man. 

    I could feel the force flow through you.


     grin12

    By the way, you did not insult me. You spoke honestly.

    Good luck.



    The punishment must fit the crime. And yes if there is a hell some people deserve to be there, but few. God is responsible for us all, he should be the first one to suffer damnation.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #226 - May 18, 2009, 03:47 PM
    What are you talking about, Miss Hearts.

    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #227 - May 18, 2009, 03:48 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 03:41 PM
    Thanks. Dont we all do that?

    God has given me that right.

    He has also given you the right to do with your life as you see fit.

    Me and you will one day stand before Him and account for our actions in this life.

    There is no escaping from that Supreme Court.




    Me and you will one day stand before him?

    You mean MAYBE one day we will stand before him.

    And IF we do, I'm going to slug him one  Cheesy

    God has given rights (supposedly) to do with you as you see fit, but then punishes you for it...he is not benevolent, he is not powerful, he's useless and a wanker. Don't worry, I'm not back biting, I'll say it to his face Smiley

    No pancakes for god. He is going to pancake hell.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #228 - May 18, 2009, 03:49 PM
    Going to bed, night!
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #229 - May 18, 2009, 03:50 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 03:47 PM
    What are you talking about, Miss Hearts.




    I'm saying that you are a classic example of an evasive arguer.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #230 - May 18, 2009, 03:51 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 03:37 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on May 18, 2009, 03:28 PM

    Not aesthetic value, moral.

    Anyone who has the power to stop all of the evil in the world and doesn't is worth nothing to me.
    I see him as a man that watches a rape and does nothing.

    I don't mean to insult you its just my view.


    Does nothing?

    Oh I see.

    You mean, you too now want that rapist to burn in Hell?

    How nice.

    I think you and me a lot more in common than meets the eye.

    I knew it.

    You are indeed a good man. 

    I could feel the force flow through you.


     grin12

    By the way, you did not insult me. You spoke honestly.

    Good luck.



    I suspect heartbomb's boyfriend meant stop the rapist from carrying on... not burn the rapist in hell.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #231 - May 18, 2009, 03:52 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on May 18, 2009, 03:46 PM

    The punishment must fit the crime.

    And yes if there is a hell some people deserve to be there, but few.



    How many and of what type?

    What should happen to rapists?

    Quote from: heartbomb on May 18, 2009, 03:48 PM
    God has given rights (supposedly) to do with you as you see fit, but then punishes you for it...he is not benevolent, he is not powerful,


    Do you think God punishes you just for having some rights?

    You need to sleep. Give that brain a bit of rest.

    Maybe then you will think a bit more clearly.

    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #232 - May 18, 2009, 03:54 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on May 18, 2009, 03:46 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 03:37 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on May 18, 2009, 03:28 PM

    Not aesthetic value, moral.

    Anyone who has the power to stop all of the evil in the world and doesn't is worth nothing to me.
    I see him as a man that watches a rape and does nothing.

    I don't mean to insult you its just my view.


    Does nothing?

    Oh I see.

    You mean, you too now want that rapist to burn in Hell?

    How nice.

    I think you and me a lot more in common than meets the eye.

    I knew it.

    You are indeed a good man. 

    I could feel the force flow through you.


     grin12

    By the way, you did not insult me. You spoke honestly.

    Good luck.



    The punishment must fit the crime. And yes if there is a hell some people deserve to be there, but few. God is responsible for us all, he should be the first one to suffer damnation.



    Damnation sounds quite spiteful. If it is supposed to be, then no one should suffer damnation.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #233 - May 18, 2009, 03:55 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 03:20 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 18, 2009, 03:17 PM
    You mean God doesn't send anyone to hell after they die?


    Oh He does.

    Hell is no joke.

    When did I say God does not send anyone to Hell.

    That would make the creation of Hell a useless excercise.

    God does nothing useless.

     grin12


    But I thought that people in hell were tortured and one of the punishments is that a person's skin will be burnt off and then will be given new skin so that they can re-suffer the pain, and again and again for ever. Is that not true?
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #234 - May 18, 2009, 04:02 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 18, 2009, 03:55 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 03:20 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 18, 2009, 03:17 PM
    You mean God doesn't send anyone to hell after they die?

    When did I say God does not send anyone to Hell.


    But I thought that people in hell were tortured and one of the punishments is that a person's skin will be burnt off and then will be given new skin so that they can re-suffer the pain, and again and again for ever. Is that not true?


    Why dont you answer the question.
    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #235 - May 18, 2009, 04:05 PM
    I am thinking about making a video called "Who will go to Hell according to the Qur'an?" and bring loads of quotes from the Qur'an - because it doesn't leave any room for doubt that people who reject belief in Islam and God will burn in Hell for an eternity.

    It may well be true that rapists, murderers etc... will go to Hell.

    Bet let's be very clear - when the Qur'an talks about punishing people for an eternity in Hell - 90% of the time it is for rejecting belief in Islam and God.

    Since the proof that Islam is true and that God exists is far from undeniable (to put it mildly) then such a punishment is obviously totally unjust and sadistically excessive.

    Muslims have no option but to keep playing 'dodge the bullet' - like Rayback does.

    Because if they stand still for a second and actually think rationally about it they cannot avoid the conclusion that Hell is just wrong!

    End of story.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #236 - May 18, 2009, 04:06 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 03:52 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on May 18, 2009, 03:46 PM

    The punishment must fit the crime.

    And yes if there is a hell some people deserve to be there, but few.



    How many and of what type?

    What should happen to rapists?

    Quote from: heartbomb on May 18, 2009, 03:48 PM
    God has given rights (supposedly) to do with you as you see fit, but then punishes you for it...he is not benevolent, he is not powerful,


    Do you think God punishes you just for having some rights?

    You need to sleep. Give that brain a bit of rest.

    Maybe then you will think a bit more clearly.




    No I just got tired of your condescending tone and decided it would be more productive to talk to a pancake than to talk to you.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #237 - May 18, 2009, 04:08 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 04:02 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 18, 2009, 03:55 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 03:20 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 18, 2009, 03:17 PM
    You mean God doesn't send anyone to hell after they die?

    When did I say God does not send anyone to Hell.


    But I thought that people in hell were tortured and one of the punishments is that a person's skin will be burnt off and then will be given new skin so that they can re-suffer the pain, and again and again for ever. Is that not true?


    Why dont you answer the question.



    Oh, sorry, I didn't see a question mark..

    Well, actually... you can work out what my answer is from my reply... Oh well I'll put it simply:

    When I used the thought experiment of a man torturing a lesbian because she rejected him, I was trying to compare the man's actions to God's actions. That is, the man was replicating the kind of torture that somebody who went to hell would suffer. To this you replied that God would never do anything similar to the man in my example would do because God isn't cruel like that. I was confused because God clearly does do things to people who reject him which are even worse than what the man in my thought experiment did; that is, he sends them to hell. That is why I asked doesn't God send anyone to hell after they die?
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #238 - May 18, 2009, 04:09 PM
    Oh I see.

    I missed your point.

    You are to sharp for me girl.

    Thinking takes times with slow coaches like me.

    In any case, you cant equate me taking time to bash the Atheists with fleeing.

    Leaving the battefield is a cardinal sin.

    Didnt you know that.

    Even US Army punishes the chickens.

     grin12
    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #239 - May 18, 2009, 04:12 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 18, 2009, 03:52 PM

    You need to sleep. Give that brain a bit of rest.

    Maybe then you will think a bit more clearly.




    Seriously rayback, your debating etiquette is rancid!

    Where is your adab?
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
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