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  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #30 - May 15, 2009, 10:38 PM

    @ J4M3z

    According to one study, 75% of converts to Islam leave within 3 years.  It was discussed here...

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4198.0


    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #31 - May 15, 2009, 11:14 PM

    How was the research done? Online poll or something?

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #32 - May 15, 2009, 11:16 PM

    How was the research done? Online poll or something?


    No, it wasn't done with an online poll.  If you listen to the guy explain his research, it seems to have been done through mosques across America.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #33 - May 15, 2009, 11:56 PM

    Interesting video about a Jewish girl converting to Islam. (I'm not sure why the video is titled as it is - maybe the guy thought he was being funny, I don't know.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgjF1jpWKrE
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #34 - May 16, 2009, 12:06 AM

    How was the research done? Online poll or something?


    No, it wasn't done with an online poll.  If you listen to the guy explain his research, it seems to have been done through mosques across America.


    How would you find out about converts leaving Islam by going to mosques? :S

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #35 - May 16, 2009, 12:12 AM

    How was the research done? Online poll or something?


    No, it wasn't done with an online poll.  If you listen to the guy explain his research, it seems to have been done through mosques across America.


    How would you find out about converts leaving Islam by going to mosques? :S


    Its not by going to mosques, James, its by carrying out a survey through mosques.  You send out questionnaires, or researchers, to a representative sample of mosques across the country, asking how many converts they had among their congregations, how many left, how many stayed, over what time frame,  etc.  I think there were also telephone interviews carried out with ex-muslims in the four different categories he specified concerning their reasons for leaving.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #36 - May 16, 2009, 12:33 AM

    next few decade islam will take over the world


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #37 - May 16, 2009, 12:36 AM

    Good luck with that.   Roll Eyes

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #38 - May 16, 2009, 01:15 AM

    No, China will take over the world.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #39 - May 16, 2009, 07:55 AM

    There is a link/video somewhere on this forum (cant find it now) that shows the percentage of converts to Islam that revert.  From memory it quoted quite a high percentage within a certain number of years.


    That is only in one region of the world, not as a whole, it says something like 80%.
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #40 - May 17, 2009, 08:57 AM

    What do you people who were Muslims think are the main reasons people convert to Islam? any one thing?


    Ahh... where to start. I was a convert, and I've been trying to figure out what it was exactly that made me convert. I don't think it's any one thing, but a combination.

    A major factor was the "scientific miracles" of the Qur'an... I couldn't think how they would be possible without supernatural forces at work. After converting, when I actually looked at the verses and analyzed how they got the "miracles" out of them it was obvious that it was just a game of words and interpretation, and that the Qur'an was far from either miraculous or scientific. I guess my problem was that I was too trusting. Still, it was over a year from the moment I found out about these "miracles" to the time I decided to convert.

    So I think another major thing was being influenced by close Muslim friends. I didn't want to convert to "fit in" or anything like that, but I'm referring to the fact that living closely with Muslims made me see what peaceful, good people they were and how much they loved their religion. What Hassan mentioned about being exposed to the nicer sides of religion and associated cultures was a factor there. Whenever I asked Muslim friends about the darker side of Islam as I saw it in places like Saudi, they explained that this was a corrupted version of Islam using selected religious quotes. Eventually I reached the point where I truly believed it was a misrepresented religion, that the media and Islam-bashers were out to demonize it for political reasons. For this reason I never got close to Islam-criticizing websites like FFI, deeming its authors to be misinformed and/or full of hate.

    Along the same lines was all the (mis)information I was given about women in Islam. All Shariah law was corrupted, I was told with what seemed to be convincing proof that it was going against Islam's teachings. Women in Islam were treasured and protected, given rights 1400 years ago that the West only gave them in the last century. All this is not hard to "prove" if you use the right hadith and Quranic quotes.

    Anyways, I very much shared your opinion
    Quote
    For me though id start with the actual Quran, id demand to know what it says in every word before getting involved...lol

    and that was my intent as well- to read the whole Qur'an and understand it before I made any decision. The problem was that, as you've seen, it's terribly hard for an average person to just pick it up and start reading and actually understand what it's talking about. So, a friend who actually teaches in an islamic institute volunteered to read it with me an explain. We did this whenever we both had some free time, but progress was very slow because she shared so much detail about the language (root words, multiple meanings, etc) and how it was a miracle in itself. After we completed the first chapter I already believed that the diction itself was if not miraculous at least highly impressive, because of how much information and feeling the author had managed to convey in so few lines.

    While my education in that area went on, I did research and find many various verses and rulings of Islam that bothered me. The worst, I think, was the verse that said you can beat your wife. I was shocked and indignant that my friends could defend such a "holy book", much less believe in it, and I told them I could never submit to a god that gave someone permission to hit me. I know this really worried them, especially considering how much time they had spent sharing Islam with me and how close they knew I had been to accepting it. So they set to work in clarifying the issue for me.
    I was told about the hadith saying that "beat" only meant to tap with a toothstick, without leaving marks, not on any sensitive part of the body. This made me feel better for their sake, but I maintained that it was a degrading action nonetheless and I would not let my husband even approach me with that stick. Then they said, "well of course could you even imagine a man doing this? It would be utterly pointless! Obviously what the verse is really doing is putting a limit on what a man may do, even at his angriest state. Obviously what the verse is saying is you CANT beat your wife. And anyways it doesn't say that you have to let him do it to you, you can simply get a divorce as an alternative when it gets to that point. This is just a symbolic gesture to show the wife how serious the matter is to the husband, show her that this is the last straw before they must divorce. If you see in Islam how a husband is supposed to treat his wife, how much care and affection he must provide her with, then you'll see how this simple act would shock the wife into realizing the seriousness of the problem."
    They convinced me that I should not let one "small" issue get in the way of all that I accepted and appreciated of Islam.

    Anyways, to sum it up I think one of the main reasons that people in similar situations to mine convert to Islam is misinformation and misrepresentation of what Islam is, whether intentional or not. Obviously people have a duty to check the information for themselves, but a combination of 1) the difficulty of understanding and accessing the original texts and 2) trust of those that claim to be scholars explaining them, creates obstacles to getting a true picture of Islam anyways.

    ... back to Grey's Anatomy now  parrot

    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #41 - May 18, 2009, 10:04 AM

    Hey Aishi thanks for that long post!

    You are very smart person, takes a strong individual to not be influenced by all those around you trying to maybe convince you otherwise.

    The whole hitting a woman thing, really if allah didnt want women to be hurt by their husbands, why didnt Allah just say that plain and simple!

    Shame because i bet 90% of muslim men wouldnt dream of hurting their wives or any woman, but the God of the Quran seems less of a person than a human in this respect.
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #42 - May 19, 2009, 01:00 AM

    What do you people who were Muslims think are the main reasons people convert to Islam? any one thing?

    I had a little read through a Quran and didnt feel it much, i kind of felt like i needed someone to explain every line. That puts me off a little for starters.

    Just  now and again i see the odd white girl with the hijab on, makes me wonder what path leads them to the conversion.

    ...not that im looking to conver by the way...lol





    i am a muslim so i can give you the real reason why people converting to islam


    1. why does islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades?

    2. how can you stop/slowdown spreading of islam ?

    3. what are the reason you cant stop spreading of islam ?

    1. why does islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades?

    the reason islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades is because of sextual immorality wide spread in christians's society like premarital sex,infidelity, porn etc. because of woman nudity everywhere man lost respect for women and because of man dont respect women so women dont respect men.

    so man and mostly women joining islam for new lifestyle. this new converts to islam really are refugies of christian's immoral culture taking shelter in islam.

     

    2. how can you stop/slowdown spreading of islam ?

    simplely, ban bikini and other skin revealing clothing and porn.

    3. what are the reason you cant stop spreading of islam ?

    because you believe in freedom to wear bikini and watch porn, a freedom will destroy you and your freedom.

    if you ban bikini /skin revealing clothing and ban porn (you)------->>> saved christianity/ saved western civilization.



    Freedom can never destroy freedom unless we let it.

    I respect your views, but i feel you are very short sighted and one sided.

    Take a look at the Netherlands for example, a very liberal place that has a very low teenage birth rate.

    In thinking only one way, the islamic way, or the athiest way, or the buddhist way, to live life and everyone should be the same is what forces people apart, is what makes people feel alone and afraid.

    Not because women walk around in bikins, or watch porn, its how we react to it, how we are too quick to judge others who are not like us. Thats what causes us to lose our true freedom, freedom within to accept and love all people in the world.

    Thats real freedom to me and its great!




     you dont believe porngraphy harm society?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #43 - May 19, 2009, 04:26 AM

    This was a funny post I was reading in an Indonesian Forum some time ago:

    From a English Chap who converted for marriage:

    ?Just went to the mosque, mate, read out some crap; gave me a certificate, that was it?.It?s bloody great, I go to mosques all the time, just for a laugh, not to pray or anything, f*ck no. Someone always comes up all sh*tty like ?Hey mister, you can?t come in here?. I just laugh at them and say ?yes I can, I?m a f*ckin? Muslim and I?ve got the paper to prove it if you don?t believe me!?

    ?Did you, get cut?? (he was asked)

    ?Did I f*ck!.....you can change my religion, but you ain?t getting your hands on my c*ck??



    Not entirely admirable sentiments perhaps, but I laughed until I nearly fell of my chair?

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #44 - May 19, 2009, 05:10 AM

    Don't believe in polls and don't believe in Islam.

    There will be no white flag above our door
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #45 - May 19, 2009, 06:40 AM

    The whole hitting a woman thing, really if allah didnt want women to be hurt by their husbands, why didnt Allah just say that plain and simple!

    Shame because i bet 90% of muslim men wouldnt dream of hurting their wives or any woman, but the God of the Quran seems less of a person than a human in this respect.


    Yes I second that!!! I was born and raised as a Muslim, and yes I have never known a single man who would wish to hit his wife. I guess Muslims tend to skip that part when reading the Quran. They are afraid to discuss that verse, 'casue they are afraid they would find out that something is not right!


    ...
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #46 - May 19, 2009, 06:46 AM


    1. why does islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades?

    the reason islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades is because of sextual immorality wide spread in christians's society like premarital sex,infidelity, porn etc. because of woman nudity everywhere man lost respect for women and because of man dont respect women so women dont respect men. so man and mostly women joining islam for new lifestyle. this new converts to islam really are refugies of christian's immoral culture taking shelter in islam.

     
    2. how can you stop/slowdown spreading of islam ?

    simplely, ban bikini and other skin revealing clothing and porn.

    3. what are the reason you cant stop spreading of islam ?

    because you believe in freedom to wear bikini and watch porn, a freedom will destroy you and your freedom.

    if you ban bikini /skin revealing clothing and ban porn (you)------->>> saved christianity/ saved western civilization.




    Is it only me that sees he is answering the 3 question with the same SEX thingy? I think this guy needs to get layed! dance

    ...
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #47 - May 19, 2009, 07:34 AM

    What do you people who were Muslims think are the main reasons people convert to Islam? any one thing?

    I had a little read through a Quran and didnt feel it much, i kind of felt like i needed someone to explain every line. That puts me off a little for starters.

    Just  now and again i see the odd white girl with the hijab on, makes me wonder what path leads them to the conversion.

    ...not that im looking to conver by the way...lol





    i am a muslim so i can give you the real reason why people converting to islam


    1. why does islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades?

    2. how can you stop/slowdown spreading of islam ?

    3. what are the reason you cant stop spreading of islam ?

    1. why does islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades?

    the reason islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades is because of sextual immorality wide spread in christians's society like premarital sex,infidelity, porn etc. because of woman nudity everywhere man lost respect for women and because of man dont respect women so women dont respect men.

    so man and mostly women joining islam for new lifestyle. this new converts to islam really are refugies of christian's immoral culture taking shelter in islam.

     

    2. how can you stop/slowdown spreading of islam ?

    simplely, ban bikini and other skin revealing clothing and porn.

    3. what are the reason you cant stop spreading of islam ?

    because you believe in freedom to wear bikini and watch porn, a freedom will destroy you and your freedom.

    if you ban bikini /skin revealing clothing and ban porn (you)------->>> saved christianity/ saved western civilization.



    Freedom can never destroy freedom unless we let it.

    I respect your views, but i feel you are very short sighted and one sided.

    Take a look at the Netherlands for example, a very liberal place that has a very low teenage birth rate.

    In thinking only one way, the islamic way, or the athiest way, or the buddhist way, to live life and everyone should be the same is what forces people apart, is what makes people feel alone and afraid.

    Not because women walk around in bikins, or watch porn, its how we react to it, how we are too quick to judge others who are not like us. Thats what causes us to lose our true freedom, freedom within to accept and love all people in the world.

    Thats real freedom to me and its great!




     you dont believe porngraphy harm society?


    No not really.

    You seem obsessed with other peoples sexual activity, this is harmful in my view, not only to others but also yourself.

    Also, think about this. Alot of women in porn make good money when they otherwise might be in the gutter.

    I personally think out culture is a little too sexed up, but its silly to hide the fact that we are sexually attracted to eachother.

    Repression of that doesnt work. Its like treating the symptoms despite the cause.

    All ill say is its not porn that causes sexual immorality and other problems in society, its more a case of how we fail miserably at opeining up to eachother in a caring way as brothers and sisters in the world.
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #48 - May 19, 2009, 09:43 AM


    All ill say is its not porn that causes sexual immorality and other problems in society, its more a case of how we fail miserably at opeining up to eachother in a caring way as brothers and sisters in the world.


    Exactly! It is these obvious things that are bringing society down such as insolidarity. Most of us don't say a word to our neighbours anymore because were either too shy or paranoid that they will harm us.

    Then there are people like kope who thinks society is breaking down because were wearing the wrong clothes.  Cheesy

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #49 - May 19, 2009, 09:54 AM

    What do you people who were Muslims think are the main reasons people convert to Islam? any one thing?

    I had a little read through a Quran and didnt feel it much, i kind of felt like i needed someone to explain every line. That puts me off a little for starters.

    Just  now and again i see the odd white girl with the hijab on, makes me wonder what path leads them to the conversion.

    ...not that im looking to conver by the way...lol





    i am a muslim so i can give you the real reason why people converting to islam


    1. why does islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades?

    2. how can you stop/slowdown spreading of islam ?

    3. what are the reason you cant stop spreading of islam ?

    1. why does islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades?

    the reason islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades is because of sextual immorality wide spread in christians's society like premarital sex,infidelity, porn etc. because of woman nudity everywhere man lost respect for women and because of man dont respect women so women dont respect men.

    so man and mostly women joining islam for new lifestyle. this new converts to islam really are refugies of christian's immoral culture taking shelter in islam.

     

    2. how can you stop/slowdown spreading of islam ?

    simplely, ban bikini and other skin revealing clothing and porn.

    3. what are the reason you cant stop spreading of islam ?

    because you believe in freedom to wear bikini and watch porn, a freedom will destroy you and your freedom.

    if you ban bikini /skin revealing clothing and ban porn (you)------->>> saved christianity/ saved western civilization.



    Freedom can never destroy freedom unless we let it.

    I respect your views, but i feel you are very short sighted and one sided.

    Take a look at the Netherlands for example, a very liberal place that has a very low teenage birth rate.

    In thinking only one way, the islamic way, or the athiest way, or the buddhist way, to live life and everyone should be the same is what forces people apart, is what makes people feel alone and afraid.

    Not because women walk around in bikins, or watch porn, its how we react to it, how we are too quick to judge others who are not like us. Thats what causes us to lose our true freedom, freedom within to accept and love all people in the world.

    Thats real freedom to me and its great!




     you dont believe porngraphy harm society?


    No not really.

    You seem obsessed with other peoples sexual activity, this is harmful in my view, not only to others but also yourself.





    if porn is not harmful should we allow teenager to watch porn?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #50 - May 19, 2009, 10:55 AM

    ....if porn is not harmful should we allow teenager to watch porn?...


    PORN!!! here we go again! Snap out of it

    ...
  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #51 - May 19, 2009, 11:15 AM

    if porn is not harmful should we allow teenager to watch porn?

    Do you watch porn, and if so, has it harmed you?

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  • Re: Converts to Islam.
     Reply #52 - May 20, 2009, 08:20 AM

    Hey Aishi thanks for that long post!


    lol yeah sorry about the length i suck at summarizing  Tongue

    The whole hitting a woman thing, really if allah didnt want women to be hurt by their husbands, why didnt Allah just say that plain and simple!


    exactly!

    Shame because i bet 90% of muslim men wouldnt dream of hurting their wives or any woman, but the God of the Quran seems less of a person than a human in this respect.


    you know it's funny because when i first found out about the hitting verse and talked to a Muslim friend about it, he told his Muslim buddies who had never heard of this before and they all laughed their heads off, taking it as a joke that the Qur'an told them they could hit their wives

    so I completely agree with you, and in general I find that fascinating about religion- how no matter what it says, people still tend to be reasonable and human enough to ignore the bad and take the good

    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
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