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  • what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     OP - May 20, 2009, 02:43 PM
    as of above, what is the most deeds that is important to you so that you don't breed another muslim? to me, never marry a muslims at any cost and write a book that expose islam as a non-peaceful religion. what about you guys?
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #1 - May 20, 2009, 02:48 PM
    I've thought about joining some organisation that helps victims of forced marriages and honour violence. They probably only ask for volunteer work though. Guess it all depends on whether I can afford to do that or whether any of them pay.

    I've thought about writing a book about my journey, showing the problems that a liberal muslim has to face, etc. Of course that book will have to be published anonymously, I don't want my dad getting a hold of it Tongue
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #2 - May 20, 2009, 03:13 PM
    To try and help create a more peaceful and loving world, to try and make a positive contribution, help others, try and improve myself and being true to my self.

    Actually those were the same things that were important to me as a Muslim too - but obviously I no-longer consider Islam as being a way to achieve those things now.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #3 - May 20, 2009, 03:23 PM
    Nothing in particular, but I'm not particularly fond of Islam & its effects & I dislike false dawa giving, sometimes those giving dawa are genuinely ignorant, sometimes they're deliberately practicing taqiyya & I would like to preach against Islam in general+ I want to lead a happy, successful life etc.
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #4 - May 20, 2009, 04:28 PM
    I am still working on it
    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #5 - May 20, 2009, 08:03 PM
    To raise awareness in my lifetime using words, art, logic, humour, any and all ways about:
    - religious brainwashing
    - sexual repression
    - how religions are formed (pagan history, syncretism etc)
    - domestic violence and its religious excuses
    - child abuse and how religion is another form of it
    - animal rights and the cruelties we subject them to for no good reason and how that's also based on religious edicts even in secular societies
    - overconsumption and climate problems created by humans

    Religion simultaneously was created by humans and shapes humans. We made it up and it's up to us to unmake past mistakes, or at least to stop repeating them.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #6 - May 20, 2009, 08:06 PM
    Whoosh, thats quite a list.  Best of luck with it.
    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #7 - May 20, 2009, 08:08 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 20, 2009, 08:06 PM
    Whoosh, thats quite a list.  Best of luck with it.


    I always liked a challenge.  Afro

    On a serious note, I see connections between all these things... how can a person see plain old human stupidity playing itself out on one level but choose to remain blind to others?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #8 - May 20, 2009, 11:48 PM
    Like Islame, undecided, but that doesn't mean I don't want to do anything. I passionately want to do something for the good, but I just don't know how! I could...

    Become an MP

    Become a Lecturer

    Start a Think-Tank

    Write a book

    Lead a revolution

    I really don't know where or how to start at the moment...
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #9 - May 20, 2009, 11:50 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 20, 2009, 03:13 PM
    To try and help create a more peaceful and loving world, to try and make a positive contribution, help others, try and improve myself and being true to my self.

    Actually those were the same things that were important to me as a Muslim too - but obviously I no-longer consider Islam as being a way to achieve those things now.


    Hassan, this is what I meant when I asked you in the other thread about what you do now for "the good" and you said you raise your kids and spend too much time on this forum. I was like  Huh?
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #10 - May 21, 2009, 08:14 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 20, 2009, 11:50 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 20, 2009, 03:13 PM
    To try and help create a more peaceful and loving world, to try and make a positive contribution, help others, try and improve myself and being true to my self.

    Actually those were the same things that were important to me as a Muslim too - but obviously I no-longer consider Islam as being a way to achieve those things now.


    Hassan, this is what I meant when I asked you in the other thread about what you do now for "the good" and you said you raise your kids and spend too much time on this forum. I was like  Huh?


    Oh, OK, I'm sorry, I can be a bit thick at times lol
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #11 - May 21, 2009, 08:21 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 20, 2009, 11:48 PM
    I really don't know where or how to start at the moment...



    Stop talking about it, and do it. Just pick the easiest on the list and see how far you get.


    Ha Ha.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #12 - May 21, 2009, 10:56 AM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on May 21, 2009, 08:21 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 20, 2009, 11:48 PM
    I really don't know where or how to start at the moment...



    Stop talking about it, and do it. Just pick the easiest on the list and see how far you get.





    And can you please tell me which one is the easiest?  Roll Eyes

    To be honest, I'm currently on the right track to becoming a lecturer, if I wanna take it that far, because I'm at university. This summer I'm doing just about nothing, though, so would be good to start on something... hmmmmm...

    What about you, Jack? What are you doing for the good of the world?
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #13 - May 21, 2009, 11:00 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 21, 2009, 10:56 AM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on May 21, 2009, 08:21 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 20, 2009, 11:48 PM
    I really don't know where or how to start at the moment...



    Stop talking about it, and do it. Just pick the easiest on the list and see how far you get.





    And can you please tell me which one is the easiest?  Roll Eyes

    To be honest, I'm currently on the right track to becoming a lecturer, if I wanna take it that far, because I'm at university. This summer I'm doing just about nothing, though, so would be good to start on something... hmmmmm...

    What about you, Jack? What are you doing for the good of the world?




    Quite a bit, but I don't talk about it, just aim high and do Afro

    There's nothing better than doing nothing for a while either Smiley
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #14 - May 21, 2009, 11:14 AM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on May 21, 2009, 11:00 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 21, 2009, 10:56 AM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on May 21, 2009, 08:21 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 20, 2009, 11:48 PM
    I really don't know where or how to start at the moment...



    Stop talking about it, and do it. Just pick the easiest on the list and see how far you get.





    And can you please tell me which one is the easiest?  Roll Eyes

    To be honest, I'm currently on the right track to becoming a lecturer, if I wanna take it that far, because I'm at university. This summer I'm doing just about nothing, though, so would be good to start on something... hmmmmm...

    What about you, Jack? What are you doing for the good of the world?




    Quite a bit, but I don't talk about it, just aim high and do Afro

    There's nothing better than doing nothing for a while either Smiley


    I feel like I've done nothing this whole year. Well, not much. First year of university doesn't contribute towards your degree; only second and third year does.

    Why don't you like talking about it? Your not one of these, give-with-your-right-hand-so-your-left-hand-doesn't-know kind of people, are you? Smiley
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #15 - May 21, 2009, 11:18 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 21, 2009, 11:14 AM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on May 21, 2009, 11:00 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 21, 2009, 10:56 AM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on May 21, 2009, 08:21 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 20, 2009, 11:48 PM
    I really don't know where or how to start at the moment...



    Stop talking about it, and do it. Just pick the easiest on the list and see how far you get.





    And can you please tell me which one is the easiest?  Roll Eyes

    To be honest, I'm currently on the right track to becoming a lecturer, if I wanna take it that far, because I'm at university. This summer I'm doing just about nothing, though, so would be good to start on something... hmmmmm...

    What about you, Jack? What are you doing for the good of the world?




    Quite a bit, but I don't talk about it, just aim high and do Afro

    There's nothing better than doing nothing for a while either Smiley


    I feel like I've done nothing this whole year. Well, not much. First year of university doesn't contribute towards your degree; only second and third year does.

    Why don't you like talking about it? Your not one of these, give-with-your-right-hand-so-your-left-hand-doesn't-know kind of people, are you? Smiley



    If we met over a drink, I would be more than happy to discuss, posting on a forum is a waste of time however, too many silly people to misinterpret and put spin on whatever you have to say. People like to argue on forums, arguing wastes time and energy. If an idea isn't going to work, find out first hand instead of running by 'the committee', know what I mean Wink
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #16 - May 21, 2009, 11:28 AM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on May 21, 2009, 11:18 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 21, 2009, 11:14 AM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on May 21, 2009, 11:00 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 21, 2009, 10:56 AM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on May 21, 2009, 08:21 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 20, 2009, 11:48 PM
    I really don't know where or how to start at the moment...



    Stop talking about it, and do it. Just pick the easiest on the list and see how far you get.





    And can you please tell me which one is the easiest?  Roll Eyes

    To be honest, I'm currently on the right track to becoming a lecturer, if I wanna take it that far, because I'm at university. This summer I'm doing just about nothing, though, so would be good to start on something... hmmmmm...

    What about you, Jack? What are you doing for the good of the world?




    Quite a bit, but I don't talk about it, just aim high and do Afro

    There's nothing better than doing nothing for a while either Smiley


    I feel like I've done nothing this whole year. Well, not much. First year of university doesn't contribute towards your degree; only second and third year does.

    Why don't you like talking about it? Your not one of these, give-with-your-right-hand-so-your-left-hand-doesn't-know kind of people, are you? Smiley



    If we met over a drink, I would be more than happy to discuss, posting on a forum is a waste of time however, too many silly people to misinterpret and put spin on whatever you have to say. People like to argue on forums, arguing wastes time and energy. If an idea isn't going to work, find out first hand instead of running by 'the committee', know what I mean Wink


    But when are we likely to meet over a drink..?

    And I know what you mean, internet forums have a tendency to be counter-productive. The previous Islamic forum I used to go on was obviously intended to build community spirit and to build people's Imaan. Yet it seemed to provoke scorn between Muslim youths and instead of building your Imaan, provided links for pointless yet addictive browser-based arcade games. Excellent.

    But surely, just telling us what you do in a single phrase isn't going to provoke argument, is it? Otherwise if you believed that, then you probably wouldn't have started commenting on this thread.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #17 - May 21, 2009, 12:00 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 21, 2009, 11:28 AM
    But surely, just telling us what you do in a single phrase isn't going to provoke argument, is it?


    I also get sick of typing as I spend my life doing it but I'll pm you when I get time this afternoon, it may give you some ideas, you can call me if you like. Speak later then,

    JT.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #18 - May 21, 2009, 01:45 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on May 21, 2009, 12:00 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 21, 2009, 11:28 AM
    But surely, just telling us what you do in a single phrase isn't going to provoke argument, is it?


    I also get sick of typing as I spend my life doing it but I'll pm you when I get time this afternoon, it may give you some ideas, you can call me if you like. Speak later then,

    JT.


    I'll be Honoured. Smiley
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #19 - May 23, 2009, 02:33 PM
    There was this guy whom doubted the quran, sadly, after searching for answers, he still doubt the quran as the word of god. Now, convice that the quran is not the word of god anymore, he wants to write a book to present his doubt to the world so that the world will know his doubt and through his doubt, the world will judge the quran.  how will you all advice him?
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #20 - May 23, 2009, 02:57 PM
    Quote from: li on May 23, 2009, 02:33 PM
    There was this guy whom doubted the quran, sadly, after searching for answers, he still doubt the quran as the word of god. Now, convice that the quran is not the word of god anymore, he wants to write a book to present his doubt to the world so that the world will know his doubt and through his doubt, the world will judge the quran.  how will you all advice him?


    Tell him to write the book!  Afro

    Apostasy from Islam hasn't yet become acceptable in many Muslim nations & families, in quite a few countries it carries the death penalty Shooter so such books would help more Muslims feel that its perfectly allright to doubt or even leave Islam & there are people who have done that, besides the fact that if more & more such books are written- Muslims will be forced to accept that attempting to ban blasphemy or apostasy is futile & only makes them look foolish & violent which in its turn will encourage more Muslims to quit Islam.  Smiley
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #21 - May 23, 2009, 03:28 PM
    Quote from: li on May 23, 2009, 02:33 PM
    There was this guy whom doubted the quran, sadly, after searching for answers, he still doubt the quran as the word of god. Now, convice that the quran is not the word of god anymore, he wants to write a book to present his doubt to the world so that the world will know his doubt and through his doubt, the world will judge the quran.  how will you all advice him?


    Odd question on an ex-Muslim forum as I suspect anyone of us could be that guy lol Wink

    I would say: "Good luck!" Smiley
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #22 - May 23, 2009, 04:54 PM
    If this guy can spell, I would suggest he buy himself a pen and a pad and start making notes. It also wouldn't be a bad idea if this fellow started reading a lot of books in this subject field.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #23 - May 23, 2009, 07:55 PM
    Quote from: li on May 23, 2009, 02:33 PM
    There was this guy whom doubted the quran, sadly, after searching for answers, he still doubt the quran as the word of god. Now, convice that the quran is not the word of god anymore, he wants to write a book to present his doubt to the world so that the world will know his doubt and through his doubt, the world will judge the quran.  how will you all advice him?

    You seem to be a bit confused here. Either he's got doubts or he's convinced. Either way, both the quran and god are ultimately just ideas and he's entitled to say what the heck he likes about them.
    The more new ideas the better. Write the book.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #24 - May 24, 2009, 12:00 AM
    I emailed one of my local councillors today asking them if they're going to be doing any work experience placements over the summer. Hopefully he will come back with some good news. I think he is Liberal Democrat, but party affiliation doesn't worry me. I just want to experience the ins and outs of "running a community" so to speak.

    Has anybody here done a work experience placement with a councillor/MP/MEP??
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #25 - May 24, 2009, 06:04 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 20, 2009, 03:13 PM
    To try and help create a more peaceful and loving world, to try and make a positive contribution, help others, try and improve myself and being true to my self.

    Actually those were the same things that were important to me as a Muslim too - but obviously I no-longer consider Islam as being a way to achieve those things now.


    Nor is any other religion.  I truly believe that the best route is a totally secular world.

    People all over the world are losing their religion, and it seems like they represent the most intelligent of us.  It also seems that these are the kinds of people who are also making the most beneficial changes in society.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #26 - May 24, 2009, 06:09 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 20, 2009, 08:06 PM
    Whoosh, thats quite a list.  Best of luck with it.

    Even if he accomplished just one thing on that list he will have done a great deal of good.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #27 - May 24, 2009, 06:17 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on May 23, 2009, 02:57 PM
    Quote from: li on May 23, 2009, 02:33 PM
    There was this guy whom doubted the quran, sadly, after searching for answers, he still doubt the quran as the word of god. Now, convice that the quran is not the word of god anymore, he wants to write a book to present his doubt to the world so that the world will know his doubt and through his doubt, the world will judge the quran.  how will you all advice him?


    Tell him to write the book!  Afro

    Apostasy from Islam hasn't yet become acceptable in many Muslim nations & families, in quite a few countries it carries the death penalty Shooter so such books would help more Muslims feel that its perfectly allright to doubt or even leave Islam & there are people who have done that, besides the fact that if more & more such books are written- Muslims will be forced to accept that attempting to ban blasphemy or apostasy is futile & only makes them look foolish & violent which in its turn will encourage more Muslims to quit Islam.  Smiley


    Here is one good book I found.
  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #28 - May 24, 2009, 07:05 PM
    Quote from: li on May 20, 2009, 02:43 PM
    as of above, what is the most deeds that is important to you so that you don't breed another muslim? to me, never marry a muslims at any cost and write a book that expose islam as a non-peaceful religion. what about you guys?

    i'd love to just enjoy life without guilt.
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: what is important to you now, o ex-muslims?
     Reply #29 - May 27, 2009, 11:23 AM
    Quote from: Meredith on May 24, 2009, 07:05 PM
    Quote from: li on May 20, 2009, 02:43 PM
    as of above, what is the most deeds that is important to you so that you don't breed another muslim? to me, never marry a muslims at any cost and write a book that expose islam as a non-peaceful religion. what about you guys?


    I wouldn't mind who i marry [as long as they are not religious] but i would love to highlight the problems within Islam and Somali culture ... still being alive at the end of it would be preferable Tongue
    But yeah, i'd love to just enjoy life without guilt.

     ermm,..don't mind asking, not religious as in islamic affiliated non-religious or islamic unaffiliated non-religious Huh?
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