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  • Re: predestination
     Reply #30 - May 24, 2009, 12:54 PM

    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans



    I don't understand what you are saying here?

    Are you saying God doesn't know every tiny detail of every single persons life - what they will do and what will happen before it happens?

    If you are, then you are denying a basic tenet of Islam.



    why would god want to know how many time i have shit in my life time?


    He may not want to know, but if you believe he is all knowing, then he does know
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #31 - May 24, 2009, 12:57 PM

    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans



    I don't understand what you are saying here?

    Are you saying God doesn't know every tiny detail of every single persons life - what they will do and what will happen before it happens?

    If you are, then you are denying a basic tenet of Islam.



    why would god want to know how many time i have shit in my life time?


    lol... oh dear, kope - you really are denying God's absolute knowledge of everything.

    You are an ex-Muslim  Cheesy
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #32 - May 24, 2009, 12:57 PM

    Quote from: kope
    Quote from: MrSilly
    kope, do you believe that your Allah is all-knowing and the creator of all?

    Because if your Allah is all-knowing then he knows exactly what you are going to do in your life, and how you are going to die, even before you exist. If he is the creator of all, then he creates you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do in your life. So he creates your life, and in effect creates you to do everything you will do in your life. This is the essential principle of destiny or 'qadr' if you like. I suggest you read about it.



    allah knows all thing mean he have knowledge about all thing but he does not care to know about that i am right now eating or shiting


    kope, so you now agree that your Allah does create you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do? So it's not just about "human capability".
    Am glad you agree with us now.


    allah created our brain and he know capability of our brain


    But if he is all-knowing and the creator of all, he created us knowing everything we are going do to. This is qadr.

    If you are saying that your Allah only knows the capability of our brain, but not what we will do in our lives using this brain, then you are saying that your Allah is not all-knowing. Congrats, you've just denied Allah  Afro



    i dont deny god

    you want to make god illogical so you can deny god


    No, your Allah is illogical, and that is why both you and me deny him. You say your Allah is not all-knowing. That means your have denied Allah as described in the Quran.


    let god be our judge


    HAHAHAHAHA. You're running away. So your mind has opened just a tiny crack for you to need to run away. Use this opportunity for this minutely opened mind to contemplate what is being said to you.

    You are denying your Allah, because you are saying that Allah is not all-knowing. By Islamic standards, your Allah is going to throw you to be tortured in Hell forever for denying him. Good judge right?
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #33 - May 24, 2009, 12:58 PM

    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans



    I don't understand what you are saying here?

    Are you saying God doesn't know every tiny detail of every single persons life - what they will do and what will happen before it happens?

    If you are, then you are denying a basic tenet of Islam.



    why would god want to know how many time i have shit in my life time?


    He may not want to know, but if you believe he is all knowing, then he does know


    god is all knowing mean he have knowledge of all thing

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #34 - May 24, 2009, 01:04 PM

    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans



    I don't understand what you are saying here?

    Are you saying God doesn't know every tiny detail of every single persons life - what they will do and what will happen before it happens?

    If you are, then you are denying a basic tenet of Islam.



    why would god want to know how many time i have shit in my life time?


    He may not want to know, but if you believe he is all knowing, then he does know


    god is all knowing mean he have knowledge of all thing


    Right, so he does know every single detail in our lives. You better hope he is merciful about these blasphemous posts you've been making on this thread about him not being all-knowing. Judging by his track record of mercy, I wouldn't hold out too much hope.
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #35 - May 24, 2009, 01:07 PM

    "...He Knows what is on the land and in the sea, not a leaf falls but He Knows about it, and not a grain in the darkness (depth) of the earth nor any thing wet or dry..." Al Ana?am : 59

    Plenty more quotes about Allah's absolute knowledge of every tiny detail here:

    http://www.scienceinquran.com/book/chapter%209.pdf

    Please do come and see me any time you wish to learn about Islam.   Cheesy
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #36 - May 24, 2009, 01:11 PM

    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans



    I don't understand what you are saying here?

    Are you saying God doesn't know every tiny detail of every single persons life - what they will do and what will happen before it happens?

    If you are, then you are denying a basic tenet of Islam.



    why would god want to know how many time i have shit in my life time?


    He may not want to know, but if you believe he is all knowing, then he does know


    god is all knowing mean he have knowledge of all thing


    Right, so he does know every single detail in our lives. You better hope he is merciful about these blasphemous posts you've been making on this thread about him not being all-knowing. Judging by his track record of mercy, I wouldn't hold out too much hope.




    god does not programed us like a robot

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #37 - May 24, 2009, 01:14 PM

    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans



    I don't understand what you are saying here?

    Are you saying God doesn't know every tiny detail of every single persons life - what they will do and what will happen before it happens?

    If you are, then you are denying a basic tenet of Islam.



    why would god want to know how many time i have shit in my life time?


    He may not want to know, but if you believe he is all knowing, then he does know


    god is all knowing mean he have knowledge of all thing


    Right, so he does know every single detail in our lives. You better hope he is merciful about these blasphemous posts you've been making on this thread about him not being all-knowing. Judging by his track record of mercy, I wouldn't hold out too much hope.




    god does not programed us like a robot


    And herein lies the contradiction between free-will and predestination.



  • Re: predestination
     Reply #38 - May 24, 2009, 01:17 PM

    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans



    I don't understand what you are saying here?

    Are you saying God doesn't know every tiny detail of every single persons life - what they will do and what will happen before it happens?

    If you are, then you are denying a basic tenet of Islam.



    why would god want to know how many time i have shit in my life time?


    He may not want to know, but if you believe he is all knowing, then he does know


    god is all knowing mean he have knowledge of all thing


    Right, so he does know every single detail in our lives. You better hope he is merciful about these blasphemous posts you've been making on this thread about him not being all-knowing. Judging by his track record of mercy, I wouldn't hold out too much hope.




    god does not programed us like a robot


    No but he punishes blasphemers like you with eternal punishment in the Hell. Did you already plead for tawbah for your posts on here originally saying he wasn't all-knowing? You better get cracking on that. You don't know if you're going to live another minute. Hurry

    And just to come back to you point about god not programming us like a robot. If God already knows exactly how we will live our lives before we are created, and then he creates us, how exactly have we not been created to do what God already knows we are going to do?
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #39 - May 24, 2009, 03:02 PM

    "...He Knows what is on the land and in the sea, not a leaf falls but He Knows about it, and not a grain in the darkness (depth) of the earth nor any thing wet or dry..." Al Ana?am : 59




    well, here god talking about his knowledge nothing more

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #40 - May 24, 2009, 05:44 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVj8YNSm0G4

    Sorry if I am reposting this, but I am reposting this because this is an active topic. Predestination explained, but not a very good one though.

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #41 - May 24, 2009, 06:46 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVj8YNSm0G4

    Sorry if I am reposting this, but I am reposting this because this is an active topic. Predestination explained, but not a very good one though.



    you like his explanetion than mine  grin12

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #42 - May 24, 2009, 07:10 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVj8YNSm0G4

    Sorry if I am reposting this, but I am reposting this because this is an active topic. Predestination explained, but not a very good one though.



    you like his explanetion than mine  grin12


    I think your explanation AND Yusuf Estes's answers are nonsense. But his answer is worse. Estes says that people who say that "Allah" predestined us and made us this way is an argument from satan. Its very hard to take people like that seriously.

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
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