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  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #30 - July 23, 2009, 10:27 AM

    How can you surf the net and not have heard of Bukkake? Perhaps you are the rare non purveyor of porn. Grin


    Oh yes, I have been to many porn sites b4, sometimes accidentally, and sometimes in purpose. But I guess only visited the Sharia "Islamic" conservative old porn sites... not the adventurous ones!! Lmao

    To be honest the word Bukake sounds very much like food....

    What did you have for dinner?
    Oh, I had  Cheese Bukake and Tea!

    ...
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #31 - July 23, 2009, 12:36 PM

    Hmm, I didn't know what that was either.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #32 - July 23, 2009, 01:36 PM

    Funny Japanese!! and the words they come up with! Cheesy

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  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #33 - July 23, 2009, 05:44 PM

    Wtf, I was wondering why everyone was replying to this post seriously I thought it was supposed to be sarcastic!  mysmilie_977


    Not sarcastic J4m3z,but seriously,it is very stupid.

    I denied all hadith,that deal with religious laws,since I came to know them.My childhood did not contained any restrains,from the elders.It is not before I am teenager that I come in contact with hadith and the consecuens on peoples life,specially womans like my self,before I visit arabic muslim countries.

    I come from a muslim musician family,they played for Mansa Moussa,that was a big king and muslim some hundred years ago in Mali.How do you think I can take a hadith that say music instrument is haram,when the Quran dont say that?

    For me all hadiths that deal with religous laws an innovation,the only hadith I belive in,is the hadith,where the Prophet tell his ummah that he dont want anything to be written down from him,so that the message of the Quran can get distorted.Thats why,the hadith came to life,long time after his dead,and today we know the name of those things,it is called chinese whisper and with that,the muslims have set themselves so far out,that for me it is just unbeliveable.

    I cant defend everything in Islam,and I dont want to,I just like to read and sometimes write here.

  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #34 - July 23, 2009, 05:48 PM

    The word of God is for all times Marleya.



    I dont think so PeruvianSkies.Some basic rules as to live and let live,freedom,respect,and non violence,is timeless to me.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #35 - July 23, 2009, 06:00 PM

    Quote from: marleya
    You can scrap the Quran,at least the trouble some parts,they belonged to a time we do not belong.Like the christians did with their bibel.

    According to this definition, you are not a Muslim anymore, but an apostate who deserves to burn in Hell. That's what the Quran says. The Quran is supposed to be the immutable word of Allah, you cannot just scrap the parts that you dislike. That doesn't make Allah happy.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #36 - July 23, 2009, 06:57 PM


    I come from a muslim musician family,they played for Mansa Moussa,that was a big king and muslim some hundred years ago in Mali.How do you think I can take a hadith that say music instrument is haram,when the Quran dont say that?



    You can stuff your musical instruments! I'm Polish! Drinking vodka and eating pork were part of my tradition when I became a Muslim. What I am saying is it does not matter how your life was before Islam. Islam requires you to give up everything that is haraam even if it is very close and very dear to your heart.

    As for your valuation of the the hadeeth. A hadeeth is only authentic if it is backed up by the Qur'an? Ok that leaves some huge gaps in your belief as a Muslim. Exactly what is the awrah in Islam? You have to give me Qur'anic justification. You can't use hadeeths since they must be backed by the Qur'an anyway.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #37 - July 23, 2009, 07:06 PM


    For me all hadiths that deal with religous laws an innovation,the only hadith I belive in,is the hadith,where the Prophet tell his ummah that he dont want anything to be written down from him,so that the message of the Quran can get distorted.Thats why,the hadith came to life,long time after his dead,and today we know the name of those things,it is called chinese whisper and with that,the muslims have set themselves so far out,that for me it is just unbeliveable.

    Chinese whispers?  Do you have any idea how muslims say the Quran was compiled?

    According to the muslims, Angel Gibrial recited the Quran to the prophet from Allah and he was ordered to remember it because he could not read nor write. The prophet taught the Quran to the followers after receiving messages from Angel Gabriel, and they wrote these teachings on anything they could find, such as camel bones (shoulder blades) or leaves.  After the prophets death, Abu Bakr compiled these teachings to make the original Quran which was copied and spread by the Muslims.

    After a little time different copies of the Quran appeared. This was a huge issue because the word of God was not supposed to be be corrupted so some 20 years later, and the 3rd caliph,  Uthman, ordered that all copies be gathered. They studied each text, and what was deemed as original was compiled to make the current version.

    All of the manuscripts and parchments or bark and leaves were destroyed to prevent further corruption.  The only issue being that now we have no way of doing a textual study to see how accurate the final version was to the original.  

    So do you accept that it is possible for the original words of the Quran, as well as the hadith which were compiled in a similar fashion,  could have got corrupted via this method too?

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  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #38 - July 23, 2009, 07:10 PM

    You can stuff your musical instruments! I'm Polish! Drinking vodka and eating pork were part of my tradition when I became a Muslim. What I am saying is it does not matter how your life was before Islam. Islam requires you to give up everything that is haraam even if it is very close and very dear to your heart.

    As for your valuation of the the hadeeth. A hadeeth is only authentic if it is backed up by the Qur'an? Ok that leaves some huge gaps in your belief as a Muslim. Exactly what is the awrah in Islam? You have to give me Qur'anic justification. You can't use hadeeths since they must be backed by the Qur'an anyway.

    Also it doesnt say anywhere in the Quran about how to pray, or that you are forbidden to drink alcohol.  Correct me if I am wrong, but this is all in the hadith.

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  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #39 - July 23, 2009, 07:22 PM

    Yeah I think you're right about how to pray. It just says in the Qur'an that you have to do it, that's all. Not sure about alcohol, but the Qur'an forbids "intoxicants".

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #40 - July 23, 2009, 07:27 PM

    I thought the Quran only forbade drinking alcohol up to intoxication?  It was only outlawed after the Quran via a decree from Mohammed, when the ummah turned up pissed whilst praying at Kaaba, and was reported in the hadith

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  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #41 - July 24, 2009, 12:01 AM

    Sumat like that.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #42 - July 24, 2009, 10:36 AM

    You can stuff your musical instruments! I'm Polish! Drinking vodka and eating pork were part of my tradition when I became a Muslim. What I am saying is it does not matter how your life was before Islam. Islam requires you to give up everything that is haraam even if it is very close and very dear to your heart.

    As for your valuation of the the hadeeth. A hadeeth is only authentic if it is backed up by the Qur'an? Ok that leaves some huge gaps in your belief as a Muslim. Exactly what is the awrah in Islam? You have to give me Qur'anic justification. You can't use hadeeths since they must be backed by the Qur'an anyway.



    I have always been a muslim J4m3z,but in my country hadith is not known very well.Like the hadiths about Aischa,and her age,my fellow gambians do not know that hadith,and when you tell them they think you are lying,because,they can hear how wild it is.

    So what about awrah?It is important?

    Cover your breasts and lenghten your skirt.

    It surprises me,that you guys in here,use the same arguments that the muslims that belive in hadith does.You dont belive that I can be muslim,without hadith?You belive the standing establishment of Islam,in this issue?
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #43 - July 24, 2009, 10:39 AM

    According to this definition, you are not a Muslim anymore, but an apostate who deserves to burn in Hell. That's what the Quran says. The Quran is supposed to be the immutable word of Allah, you cannot just scrap the parts that you dislike. That doesn't make Allah happy.


    The suras from another time,is easy to put awayZaephon.They are few,compared with all in there.

    But of course some muslim will look at me,as a apostate
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #44 - July 24, 2009, 10:44 AM


    I have always been a muslim J4m3z,but in my country hadith is not known very well.Like the hadiths about Aischa,and her age,my fellow gambians do not know that hadith,and when you tell them they think you are lying,because,they can hear how wild it is.

    So what about awrah?It is important?

    Cover your breasts and lenghten your skirt.

    It surprises me,that you guys in here,use the same arguments that the muslims that belive in hadith does.You dont belive that I can be muslim,without hadith?You belive the standing establishment of Islam,in this issue?

    If you fellow Gambians chose to overlook the contentious issues in Islam, then so be it.  However if you are going to stand by these principles then you need to delve more deeply into it.  Islam is not something that you can pick & choose the elements you like & dislike, if you accept its Gods word so you have to accept it - the whole kit & caboodle.
    If you dont accept the hadith, then where do you get your instructions from on how to pray?  Do you drink alcohol?

    So how do you know its true, and not something made up by some desert merchant?  History has proved man has done it before, so why not in this instance, particularly when there are no obvious signs that is written by an infinite being. One that spends more time glorifying his own image in the book than anything else.

    Dont you think Allah owes it to us to be more clear & obvious, rather than hiding behinding his invisibility, showing know sign of his existence, other than this book that is over 1400 years old?  Surely Allah could do better if he created the world as it stands?


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  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #45 - July 24, 2009, 10:45 AM

    Chinese whispers?  Do you have any idea how muslims say the Quran was compiled?

    According to the muslims, Angel Gibrial recited the Quran to the prophet from Allah and he was ordered to remember it because he could not read nor write. The prophet taught the Quran to the followers after receiving messages from Angel Gabriel, and they wrote these teachings on anything they could find, such as camel bones (shoulder blades) or leaves.  After the prophets death, Abu Bakr compiled these teachings to make the original Quran which was copied and spread by the Muslims.

    After a little time different copies of the Quran appeared. This was a huge issue because the word of God was not supposed to be be corrupted so some 20 years later, and the 3rd caliph,  Uthman, ordered that all copies be gathered. They studied each text, and what was deemed as original was compiled to make the current version.

    All of the manuscripts and parchments or bark and leaves were destroyed to prevent further corruption.  The only issue being that now we have no way of doing a textual study to see how accurate the final version was to the original.  

    So do you accept that it is possible for the original words of the Quran, as well as the hadith which were compiled in a similar fashion,  could have got corrupted via this method too?


    The Prophet came from a powerfull family Banu Hashim.The were the "princes" of trade,at that time,they could read and write,it is much more likely that the Prophet collected the Quran him self,he could of course read and write.Like Allah say,read!

    Prayer is in the Quran,three times.In hadith it says five.Thats why sunnies pray five times and shias three times.but five prayers.Discription in quran also tell us that tp prostrate,you do when you pray.It is a lie,that we are not muslims without hadith,and do not belive them,that it is like that.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #46 - July 24, 2009, 11:33 AM


    I dont think so PeruvianSkies.Some basic rules as to live and let live,freedom,respect,and non violence,is timeless to me.

    And your god disagrees with you.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #47 - July 24, 2009, 11:39 AM

    The Prophet came from a powerfull family Banu Hashim.The were the "princes" of trade,at that time,they could read and write,it is much more likely that the Prophet collected the Quran him self,he could of course read and write.Like Allah say,read!

    Prayer is in the Quran,three times.In hadith it says five.Thats why sunnies pray five times and shias three times.but five prayers.Discription in quran also tell us that tp prostrate,you do when you pray.It is a lie,that we are not muslims without hadith,and do not belive them,that it is like that.

    Without knowing that, nor it being stated in the Quran, you cannot say for a fact that its true the the prophet wrote the Quran.  As per my original questions,  so how do you know that the Quran was not corrupted?  How do you know they are Gods words?  The followers of David Koresh thought he was divine, how are you any different?  If you dont accept hadith, how do you know how to pray and know alcohol is supposedly forbidden?

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  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #48 - July 24, 2009, 11:57 AM

    Prayer is in the Quran,three times.In hadith it says five.Thats why sunnies pray five times and shias three times.but five prayers.Discription in quran also tell us that tp prostrate,you do when you pray.It is a lie,that we are not muslims without hadith,and do not belive them,that it is like that.


    Marleya, you know that prayer is much more detailed than simply the number of times you have to pray and the fact that you have to prostrate. If I made my prayer like this:

    "Ok Allah I'm going to pray now *prostrates* Ok I've finished the first prayer!"

    Do you really believe that would be accepted?

    Tell me where in the Qur'an does it say that I have to pray like this, and I don't have the time to write it all down because it has so many details:

    "I intend to perform 4 rakaat faraz salaah of zuhr to please Allah facing the kaabah *raise hands to ears* Allahu akbar *put hands on each other on naval* subhanakallah huma wabihamdika watabarakasmuka wa ta ala jaduka wa la ilaha ilallah a'oozu billah himinashaytaanirajeem bismillah hirahmaan iraheem alhamdulilah hirabil alamin arahmaan araheem maliki yawmideen iyaakana budu wa iya kanas ta'een ih dinas siratal mustaqeem asirataladeen a anamta alayhim ghayril maghdubiya alayhim wala daaaaleeeen amin bismillah hirahman ir raheem qul hu allahu ahad allahu samad lam yalid wa lam yulad wa lam yakulllahu kufuwan ahad amin *ruku position* allahu akbar subhana rabiyal azeem subhana rabiyal azeem subhana rabiyal azeem *raise* samiyallahu liman hamida rabbanaa lakal hamd *sujud* allahu akbar subhana rabiyal ala subhanarabiyal ala................................."

    And what about all the number of rakaat for each prayer? How do u kno what they are? This is what I'm talking about:

    Fajr: 2 sunnah 2 farz
    Zuhr: 4 sunnah 4 farz 2 sunnah 2 nafl
    Asr: 4 sunnah 4 farz
    Maghrib: 3 farz 2 sunnah 2 nafl
    Isha: 4 sunnah 4 farz 4 sunnah 2 sunnah 2 nafl 3 witr waajib 2 nafl

    ?

    It's much more detailed than simply how many u have to pray a day and that u have to prostrate, I'm sure your not that naiive.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #49 - July 24, 2009, 12:06 PM


    I have always been a muslim J4m3z,but in my country hadith is not known very well.Like the hadiths about Aischa,and her age,my fellow gambians do not know that hadith,and when you tell them they think you are lying,because,they can hear how wild it is.


    Yep Islam sure is wild. Hey you know what Marleya, I think the majority of us here take exactly the same approach as you. If there is something we find offensive about Islam, we discard it. We've just gone that little bit further and said there is so much that is offensive, it's not worth claiming that it is divinely inspired anymore. It's just as fallacious as other manmade works, sometimes even more fallacious than some manmade works. So let's treat it like a manmade work and pick out the good things from all things. That way we're not a Muslim anymore because we would be just as much a Muslim as we are a Christian or something else.

    Quote
    So what about awrah?It is important?

    Cover your breasts and lenghten your skirt.

    It surprises me,that you guys in here,use the same arguments that the muslims that belive in hadith does.You dont belive that I can be muslim,without hadith?You belive the standing establishment of Islam,in this issue?


    Yes, awrah is very important! It is part of the prayer ritual! Your prayer is not valid if you are not covering your awrah!

    Regarding whether you can be a Muslim without hadeeth. Think of it this way. You have to refer back to the hadeeth to find out how to do a lot of things that the Qur'an commands you to do, such as praying, covering your awrah and to refrain from intoxication. Now if you have to rely on the hadeeth this much, then surely that makes the hadeeth a very important and essential source of Islamic law and practice. Once you accept that, then you can't start simply dismissing hadeeths out of hand just because you wouldn't like to follow it. The hadeeth have become a very respectable source of Islamic law and practice and within reason too. You have to prove that the hadeeth you don't like is weak, or either throw out the hadeeth alltogether and go with the Qur'an only, but then you will run into a hell of a lot of problems which is exactly why the hadeeth have become so essential in the first place! But you can't pick and choose, this is too arbitrary. It's like accepting the doctor's advise when he tells you you have one disease but not accepting his advice when he tells you you have another disease, simply on the grounds that you don't like the sound of the second disease!

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #50 - July 24, 2009, 03:30 PM

    Yep Islam sure is wild. Hey you know what Marleya, I think the majority of us here take exactly the same approach as you. If there is something we find offensive about Islam, we discard it. We've just gone that little bit further and said there is so much that is offensive, it's not worth claiming that it is divinely inspired anymore. It's just as fallacious as other manmade works, sometimes even more fallacious than some manmade works. So let's treat it like a manmade work and pick out the good things from all things. That way we're not a Muslim anymore because we would be just as much a Muslim as we are a Christian or something else.

     Afro

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  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #51 - July 24, 2009, 05:12 PM

    If you fellow Gambians chose to overlook the contentious issues in Islam, then so be it.  However if you are going to stand by these principles then you need to delve more deeply into it.  Islam is not something that you can pick & choose the elements you like & dislike, if you accept its Gods word so you have to accept it - the whole kit & caboodle.
    If you dont accept the hadith, then where do you get your instructions from on how to pray?  Do you drink alcohol?

    So how do you know its true, and not something made up by some desert merchant?  History has proved man has done it before, so why not in this instance, particularly when there are no obvious signs that is written by an infinite being. One that spends more time glorifying his own image in the book than anything else.

    Dont you think Allah owes it to us to be more clear & obvious, rather than hiding behinding his invisibility, showing know sign of his existence, other than this book that is over 1400 years old?  Surely Allah could do better if he created the world as it stands?




    It is not that they choose to overlook it,they never had any theachings of it.In many muslim countries,the knowledge of hadith or the content of the Quran,is something they have little knowledge about,because it is thought in a language they do not speak.They just memorized the Quran,and dont know shit in it.

    People think circumzations of both woman and men is there,not knowing they are following many thousand years culture,and is not in quran.

    I dont know what Allah think or planned,or why he is not clearer.Maybe because many things in this world is not clear,not even for the people that do not belive in any god.There are things we have to find out on our self.In the bible,it is written that the thruth is delivered,but it is delivered in peaces,meaning we have to come togheter to make the thruth.

    For me Allah is the only one that can ease the anger of this unfair world for me.I dont know how it would be for me,to watch this world and hear the cry of million people,that suffer unfairly,I would arm my self,and go on in the killing field.

    It scares me sometimes if I think of it,to not pray,and seek support there.Sometimes me too,get confused,where ever I turn I meet this insane islamic culture and tradition,that have no origin from quran.Many muslims here I dont mingle with,because they are so closed and hostile,and segregated,that I can feel the suffication in my cheast.

    I give you a link on prayer from the quran.Please tell me what you think of them(not that I think you have to be asked about answering Smiley ) Maybe you read them before.

    http://www.tolueislam.com/Parwez/skn/SK_11.htm 

    http://www.free-minds.org/salat_edip 

    I take a glass of wine,from time to time,and more than a glass,but I recognized that in it,it lays danger.Just like in gambling.It is sweat,but can have devestated consequens sometimes.

  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #52 - July 24, 2009, 06:03 PM

    I dont know what Allah think or planned,or why he is not clearer.Maybe because many things in this world is not clear,not even for the people that do not belive in any god.There are things we have to find out on our self.In the bible,it is written that the thruth is delivered,but it is delivered in peaces,meaning we have to come togheter to make the thruth.

    For me Allah is the only one that can ease the anger of this unfair world for me.

    You cant have it both ways.  In this case doesnt it make you angry that Allah has allowed us to make it this bad.  (he created us, along with our imperfections, before you put the blame on us poor humans)

    Quote
    I give you a link on prayer from the quran.Please tell me what you think of them(not that I think you have to be asked about answering Smiley ) Maybe you read them before.

    http://www.tolueislam.com/Parwez/skn/SK_11.htm  

    http://www.free-minds.org/salat_edip  

    I take a glass of wine,from time to time,and more than a glass,but I recognized that in it,it lays danger.Just like in gambling.It is sweat,but can have devestated consequens sometimes.

    Well it sounds like your stance is not hypocritical, as it sounds like you take no influence from the hadith.  In the links I would prefer for them to say to read prayers in your mother tongue, as opposed to a foreign language that they dont understand.  Better still do charity work, help the handicapped, blind, underpriviledged once a week instead of spending that amount in salat each week. For what its worth though, I do think these links show an improvement to the existing way of praying.  

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  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #53 - July 24, 2009, 07:48 PM

    I pray in my own language Islame,not in arabic.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #54 - July 24, 2009, 08:04 PM

    Marleya, I have to stop you here. These people in your culture that you accuse of thinking they are following true Islam but in reality they do not know Islam at all. How do you know that you are different? You drink a glass of wine now and again, you reject hadeeth at your own whims, and you do not pray in Arabic. Do you believe those things are okay in Islam?

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #55 - July 24, 2009, 09:00 PM

    Marleya, I have to stop you here. These people in your culture that you accuse of thinking they are following true Islam but in reality they do not know Islam at all. How do you know that you are different? You drink a glass of wine now and again, you reject hadeeth at your own whims, and you do not pray in Arabic. Do you believe those things are okay in Islam?



    I dont know that I am that right J4m3z,but I have learn that the innovation in Islam,is huge.Islam is not at all so difficult that it stands out,I think.

    Recject the hadith,on my own whim,I dont know how many times I have heard that one J4m3z.Not at my whim,but because they,dont have enough credibility.Did you read anything of Parwez,look in that link of Tolue Islam,and see what you think.Free minds also have some very good schoolards there,both in arabic and Quran,but they reject hadith.
    Thank you J4m3z.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #56 - July 25, 2009, 12:19 AM

    You said that you reject hadeeth:

    Not at my whim,but because they,dont have enough credibility

    Wiki says:

    Tolu-e-Islam followers do not reject all hadiths; however, they only accept hadiths which "are in accordance with the Quran or do not stain the character of the Prophet or his companions".

    You know what I really think? You don't actually believe that those hadeeth that suggest that Muhammad has a poor character (in one way or another) are not credible. You just realize that the hadeeth, whether they are true or not, reveal a poor character of the prophet. You don't want to accept that, because you know it will mean that you have to leave Islam, so you immediately throw the hadeeth out of the window on the basis of lack of credibility but really you throw it out of the window on the basis that it shows the prophet to have a poor character but you wouldn't admit that because you realize how deceitful and how insincere it would be. You realize how circular your belief is, right? The prophet must be a good person. Why? Because all the reports suggest that the prophet was a good person. But what about the reports that suggest that he was bad? Well, they don't count because they report that the prophet was bad, but truly he was actually good. You realize how circular such a belief is, right?


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  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #57 - July 25, 2009, 01:40 PM

    You said that you reject hadeeth:

    Not at my whim,but because they,dont have enough credibility

    Wiki says:

    Tolu-e-Islam followers do not reject all hadiths; however, they only accept hadiths which "are in accordance with the Quran or do not stain the character of the Prophet or his companions".

    You know what I really think? You don't actually believe that those hadeeth that suggest that Muhammad has a poor character (in one way or another) are not credible. You just realize that the hadeeth, whether they are true or not, reveal a poor character of the prophet. You don't want to accept that, because you know it will mean that you have to leave Islam, so you immediately throw the hadeeth out of the window on the basis of lack of credibility but really you throw it out of the window on the basis that it shows the prophet to have a poor character but you wouldn't admit that because you realize how deceitful and how insincere it would be. You realize how circular your belief is, right? The prophet must be a good person. Why? Because all the reports suggest that the prophet was a good person. But what about the reports that suggest that he was bad? Well, they don't count because they report that the prophet was bad, but truly he was actually good. You realize how circular such a belief is, right?




    You are not right here J4m3z,for me the Prophet is not the most important.For me this dont have anything to do with his person,but the distortion of the message in the Quran.

    Tolue Islam,is just one way,free minds another.Of muslims choosing another approach than the establishment of muslim schoolars.Parwez standings in hadith questions earn him deathtreats from other muslims.
    Submission.org is another.

    We had a lot of prophets,Muhammed being just one,and god say he is no different than other prophets.
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #58 - July 25, 2009, 01:47 PM

    "but the distortion of the message in the Quran."

    Why would god allow his message to be distorted?
  • Re: Muhammad & Germs!
     Reply #59 - July 25, 2009, 02:35 PM

    Yeah,why?
    I dont know Peruvian Skies.It looks like it is a lot of distorions around in this world.

    The words is always bend to fit different peoples desires.Men have interpreteted religion,all over the world for generations,and the result is clear for us to see that it hasnt been very sucessfull.



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