Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?

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Reply #90 - June 18, 2009, 08:51 PM

MAN! im looking forward to this video!!

Hassan i was just reading your posts on the muslim zone forum...when i got cut off for not being a member! doh!! but i enjoyed reading the shitty responses they gave...lol

Anyway if there is enough space in the video it might be worth just adding in one Qu'ranic miracle that Allah missed out...how we evolved from other animals and not from dust...lol.

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Reply #91 - June 18, 2009, 08:59 PM

Quote from: Glen on June 18, 2009, 08:51 PM
MAN! im looking forward to this video!!

Hassan i was just reading your posts on the muslim zone forum...when i got cut off for not being a member! doh!! but i enjoyed reading the shitty responses they gave...lol

Anyway if there is enough space in the video it might be worth just adding in one Qu'ranic miracle that Allah missed out...how we evolved from other animals and not from dust...lol.

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I had the same problem. I tried logging on afterwards, but they have failed to send me a confirmation email (I wonder if its because I put myself down as an agnostic )

In any case, can someone cut & paste the dialogue into this thread?

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Reply #92 - June 18, 2009, 09:49 PM

Quote from: Glen on June 18, 2009, 08:51 PM
MAN! im looking forward to this video!!

Oh dear - now I fear I will disappoint - better not get ur hopes up too high.

There is only so much one can cover in 10 min video and quite frankly I can't spend too much time droning on about details - people switch off.
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Reply #93 - June 18, 2009, 09:56 PM

And even when you put plain facts in front of them they call you a liar.

This comment was just posted on my video called 100% Proof Islam is True? that talks about plain linguistic FACTS that anyone who knows and understand Arabic and Qur'an can see:

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I do not know which Quran you reading but mine does not say that. People do not believe this guy open the Quran then you will see that he is not telling the truth.

He might be Arab Christian and i do not need to remind you how much hate they have for muslims or the Quran he was reading from is one of the fake ones that haters of Islam put in the market.
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Reply #94 - June 18, 2009, 09:57 PM

Quote from: Hassan on June 18, 2009, 09:49 PM
Oh dear - now I fear I will disappoint - better not get ur hopes up too high.

There is only so much one can cover in 10 min video and quite frankly I can't spend too much time droning on about details - people switch off.

Hahah! dont worry Hassan, ive seen all the other miracles vids, im sure this one will be much the same, but with the added HassFactor!!

Its no great loss if you dont even end up doing the vid...its just your special at this Hassan and loads of people are looking forward to you making it now...:-P
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Reply #95 - June 18, 2009, 10:03 PM

Look at the reply I've had to the question - is there are any evidence that Islam is true, for example, can you point to a part of the Qur'an which couldn't have been written by a person in the 7th century?

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Its on the same thread that Hass linked to.

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Reply #96 - June 18, 2009, 11:08 PM

Quote from: Glen on June 18, 2009, 08:51 PM
MAN! im looking forward to this video!!

Hassan i was just reading your posts on the muslim zone forum...when i got cut off for not being a member! doh!! but i enjoyed reading the shitty responses they gave...lol

Anyway if there is enough space in the video it might be worth just adding in one Qu'ranic miracle that Allah missed out...how we evolved from other animals and not from dust...lol.

Peace Ya'll!!

If you paste that link in http://www.atunnel.com/ (use it as a proxy) then it works (thanks Cheetah - not much luck with the software but managed to do download it using my desktop pc instead )

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Reply #97 - June 19, 2009, 12:51 PM

I just looked at the "Moon as reflected light" miracle (no I really hadn't looked at it before now lol) and it's so stupid and obviously bollox I don't think it is worth even gracing with a reply - so I'm thinking of not including it in the video.

What do ppl think? Agree? Disagree?

(In case u are like me and never actually looked up this claim - they say that because the Qur'an says the sun is a "Siraj" (lamp) and the moon is a "Nur" (light) this difference in language means it is reflected light... WTF?)
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Reply #98 - June 19, 2009, 12:54 PM

I would include it if its widely believed among the kind of people who believe that the Qur'an contains scientific knowledge. As to it being stupid - well, they're all stupid. If its that easy debunked, and its widely believed, (I don't know if it is or not ), then you might as well throw it in there.

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Reply #99 - June 19, 2009, 12:57 PM

Yeah I'd include it. No point throwing out the ones you feel are stupid because as Cheetah correctly stated - They're all stupid anyway

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Reply #100 - June 19, 2009, 01:10 PM

OK, I'll include it... Yes they're all stupid - I think I'm getting tired - I'm havin a break and comin back to this later lol
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Reply #101 - June 19, 2009, 01:16 PM

I had not come across the moon one as a Muslim: the only ones I had come across were the chewing resembling a foetus, embryology, numerology and the earth's shape.

If you want I can start a poll to see which ones we had come across as Muslims?

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Reply #102 - June 19, 2009, 01:23 PM

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I had not come across the moon one as a Muslim: the only ones I had come across were the chewing resembling a foetus, embryology, numerology and the earth's shape.

If you want I can start a poll to see which ones we had come across as Muslims?

I think Hassan got the most important ones listed in his top 10. He's also asked the guys at FFI to compile a list - http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2762&start=0

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Reply #103 - June 19, 2009, 01:44 PM

Quote from: PeruvianSkies on June 19, 2009, 01:23 PM
I think Hassan got the most important ones listed in his top 10. He's also asked the guys at FFI to compile a list - http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2762&start=0

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by Psycho Bunny ? Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:32 pm

Sorry Hassan - but since osmanthus banned me for revealing his insulting PM to me, I cannot join in.

Maybe you should not be trying to poach people from this forum while its so-called Moderators are so hostile to FFI and its members

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The biggest miracle to debunk is the "miracle" of the koran itself

, although I think it is deserving of a video on its own. That would be a fun one to think about in the future

3) Why has Aksel Anderson emigrated over to FFI, I enjoyed his dose of practicality here?

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Reply #104 - June 19, 2009, 02:04 PM

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Why has Aksel Anderson emigrated over to FFI, I enjoyed his dose of practicality here?

He was on FFI before he joined here. He only occasionally posts here.

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Reply #105 - June 19, 2009, 08:26 PM

Interesting challenge for those who claim science in the Qur'an.....

http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1349989#p1349989

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Reply #106 - June 19, 2009, 09:23 PM

this one?

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To claim that the Quran supports science AFTER a discovery is just bending the words after the fact. Let's try it the other way - please tell me, from the writings of the Quran, about something that will shortly be proved by science that we do not yet know

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Reply #107 - June 19, 2009, 10:38 PM

No, this one from Calillasseia...

Oh, it's this familiar comedy spectacle ... some propagandist for mythology comes along and claims that his turgid book of myths contains scientific knowledge. A classic instance of the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy - basically walking up to the bullet holes and drawing bullseyes around them after the fact.

Here's a question I asked one similar propagandist for this bullshit on the RDF front pages, a question that was never answered and I don't suppose will be answered here either, but I'll post it anyway, just in case someone can surprise me.

The question is this:

Point to the exact Sura(s) in the Koran containing a detailed description of the Navier-Stokes Equations.

I suspect some of the apologists for this mythological nonsense will now start beavering away constructing convoluted and fantastic apologetic erections trying to force-fit what is known about the Navier-Stokes Equations into their sad little book of myths. However, since a complete understanding of the full complexity of the Navier-Stokes Equations (or, as complete an understanding as exists currently, given several outstanding problems connected to these equations that still provide fertile research material for world-class mathematicians) requires one to venture into the wonderful world of tensor analysis, a branch of mathematics that did not even exist until the 19th century, and was invented here in the West, any apologetics of the above sort will also have to try and force-fit the known history of tensor analysis into said turgid book of myths also. Given that an average university course on tensors and their application to real problems takes up the best part of a full year of an undergraduate mathematics syllabus for a BA or a BSc honours degree, and requires mastery of concepts that would have been totally unknown to anyone 1,400 years ago, I think we can flush this one down the toilet where it belongs.

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Reply #108 - June 19, 2009, 10:40 PM

Oh now wonder, the obvious answer to the previous one is all the Quranic miracles that have since been debunked science. We could start with our evolution from apes right through to eating pork.

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Reply #109 - June 20, 2009, 03:24 PM

Just came across this site during my travels and thought I'd share it:

http://islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/Miracles-of-Quran-Exposed.htm
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Reply #110 - June 20, 2009, 03:48 PM

Should I include the claim that the Qur'an discovered the 7 layers of the atmosphere?

Easy to debunk - modern science usually agrees there are 5 basic layers. But more important is that the Qur'an is clearly not talking about the atmosphere but about 7 heavens - one of the lower ones it says is beautified with the stars and moon (obviously the stars and moon are no where near the lower atmosphere of earth.)

The idea of 7 heavens comes from ancient beliefs and ties in with the idea that the earth is in the centre of the universe and everything goes around earth.
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Reply #111 - June 20, 2009, 03:59 PM

Apparently this claim was on Harun Yahya's site but after one site debunked it, the claim has apparently now been removed - so perhaps it's not worth my time.

Otherwise I'll never finish this bloody thing.
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Reply #112 - June 20, 2009, 04:04 PM

It's your choice Hassan. I found this one quite troubling when I first left Islam, I had to ignore all miracles after seeing that one because I didn't want to go back to Islam

I do think one is quite important though as I see a lot of muslims using it.

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Reply #113 - June 20, 2009, 04:33 PM

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It's your choice Hassan. I found this one quite troubling when I first left Islam, I had to ignore all miracles after seeing that one because I didn't want to go back to Islam

I do think one is quite important though as I see a lot of muslims using it.

OK - but I'm gonna have to draw a line somewhere or this will never end and I absolutely am NOT going to make more than one video about this subject.

I'm just going to have to be very brief.
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Reply #114 - June 20, 2009, 04:40 PM

I like the one about how Allah created all things in pairs, male and female...which is just plain wrong.

Simple to debunk and wont take too long.
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Reply #115 - June 20, 2009, 05:07 PM

Can someone give me a the sort of timescale we are looking at from Big Bang to formation of the Earth as we know it?

This is to do with the Big Bang claim. The verse says the Earth and Heavens were joined and then split apart - but if this is supposed to be a description of the big bang then it is an extremely poor one since the Earth did not exist at the time of the Big Bang nor was it formed at the time of the big bang but was formed long after the rest of the heavens had been formed in a remote and insignificant corner of the universe.
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Reply #116 - June 20, 2009, 05:09 PM

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Can someone give me a the sort of timescale we are looking at from Big Bang to formation of the Earth as we know it?

You mean something like this?

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Reply #117 - June 20, 2009, 05:12 PM

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You mean something like this?

Yes, but basically I want a number.

I am busy trying to put all this into a draft form and so would really appreciate if someone can find a number there - I'm sorry but I' already reading thru other stuff.
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Reply #118 - June 20, 2009, 05:22 PM

Quote from: Hassan on June 20, 2009, 05:12 PM
Yes, but basically I want a number.

I am busy trying to put all this into a draft form and so would really appreciate if someone can find a number there - I'm sorry but I' already reading thru other stuff.

"Observations suggest that the universe as we know it began around 13.7 billion years ago."

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Reply #119 - June 20, 2009, 05:25 PM

The age of the universe is the time elapsed between the Big Bang and the present day. Current theory and observations suggest that the universe is between 13.5 and 14 billion years.

The earth formed 4.5 billion years ago.

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