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 Topic: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?

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  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #60 - September 29, 2009, 03:13 PM
    Quote from: DH on September 29, 2009, 01:23 PM
    Wasn't there a group calling itself "The Muslim Boys" running around "reverting" people to Islam with threats of violence?



    Yes,  I wish they'd stop running around reverting people. It's the parents, I think.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #61 - September 29, 2009, 03:21 PM
    Quote from: DH on September 29, 2009, 01:44 PM
    And why should a non-Muslim "fight" for the "right" of Muslims to pray to a psycho god that hates "kafirs" with every ounce of its being?


    The same reason I oppose hate speech laws that target the very same neo-Nazis I would fuck up if I saw them in the street. The same reason I'd fight for the right of Jews to take Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashana off to worship a God I consider genocidal-- because this is how a free society works.
    fuck you
  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #62 - September 29, 2009, 03:24 PM
    Pointless debating with this guy Q, you should know that by now.
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  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #63 - October 01, 2009, 10:28 AM
    Quote from: Q-Man on September 29, 2009, 03:21 PM
    The same reason I oppose hate speech laws that target the very same neo-Nazis I would fuck up if I saw them in the street.


    So you'd support requests from any Neo-Nazi party member workmates of yours to have "time out" during working hours to hold "sieg heil" sessions in  a special room set aside for that purpose? You'd support KKK workmates if they demanded the right to wear their defining robes to work and burn crosses outside the building during their lunch hour? Is that correct?
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  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #64 - October 01, 2009, 11:13 AM
    And what would you do? Rant on the internet about it?
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  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #65 - October 01, 2009, 11:46 AM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance
    And what would you do?


    Do about what Jack?

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    Rant on the internet about  it?


    "Rant about what"? What's this "it" you keep referring to?

    If you are implying I am spending a little too much time shooting off on this forum  when I should be out "doing something about it" (whatever "it" is),  the following comparative statistics would suggest you need to practice what you preach:

    Name:  DH
    Posts:  92

    Name:  Jack Torrance
    Posts:  3019
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #66 - October 01, 2009, 01:19 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man
    The horror! I mean, the whole no pork thing is kind of annoying, but why would anyone care if the tasteless chicken or beef the kids are given at school is halal or not


    Muslims care. They care because their "holy book" says they gotta eat halal meat and they think they will burn in hell forever if they don't. If they didn't care so damned much about the matter they wouldn't have lobbied to put halal on the school menu. You obviously regard such superstitious claptrap as a perfectly valid reason for people caring how the meat their kids are eating has been killed. By contrast, you dismiss NON-Muslim parents' objections to the shariaization of their kids' school grub as possibly indicative of them being "animal rights weirdos". Let us suppose some parents do object to halal meat on grounds of animal welfare. Let us suppose they are being irrational. So why  does their irrational viewpoint have any less validity than the Muslim one? If non-Muslim parents don't want their kids to eat halal meat for WHATEVER reason - for instance they hate Islam and all it stands for - who are you to question their motives?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #67 - October 01, 2009, 01:30 PM
    Quote from: DH on October 01, 2009, 11:46 AM
    Do about what Jack?

    "Rant about what"? What's this "it" you keep referring to?

    If you are implying I am spending a little too much time shooting off on this forum  when I should be out "doing something about it" (whatever "it" is),  the following comparative statistics would suggest you need to practice what you preach:





    God your dense. No I didn't mean on 'this' forum - and as I've been here about 2 years longer than you, it's no real shock to find I have posted more than you. What I mean is - is this the extent of your 'activism', to post your boring, paranoid disinformation? How exactly does that help? I don't think you've 'freed' anyone's mind here Cheesy

    Where else do you visit, what other sites, to spread your mind-rot?
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  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #68 - October 01, 2009, 01:45 PM
    Quote from: DH on October 01, 2009, 01:19 PM
    Muslims care. They care because their "holy book" says they gotta eat halal meat and they think they will burn in hell forever if they don't. If they didn't care so damned much about the matter they wouldn't have lobbied to put halal on the school menu. You obviously regard such superstitious claptrap as a perfectly valid reason for people caring how the meat their kids are eating has been killed. By contrast, you dismiss NON-Muslim parents' objections to the shariaization of their kids' school grub as possibly indicative of them being "animal rights weirdos". Let us suppose some parents do object to halal meat on grounds of animal welfare. Let us suppose they are being irrational. So why  does their irrational viewpoint have any less validity than the Muslim one? If non-Muslim parents don't want their kids to eat halal meat for WHATEVER reason - for instance they hate Islam and all it stands for - who are you to question their motives?


    I am always very cynical about people who object to halal meat on the grounds of animal welfare for a number of reasons.

    The first reason is why is halal meat the first thing these people pick on, when factory farming in this country is as unethical as it is? Halal slaughter is nowhere near the biggest animal welfare issue in the farming industry. I have read on the bnp website about the cruelty of halal slaughter. The BNP do not give a shit about animal cruelty, they just need as many sticks they can get their hands on to beat jonny foreigner with.

    Also, if you look at history, ritual slaughter was banned in 16th century spain, it was banned in nazi germany, and it was banned in Italy under Mussolini. In all three of these cases, the ban was not due to any concern for animal welfare but because of anti semitism. I don't think society is that different today.

    And thirdly, most halal meat these days is stunned anyway - what is the big deal?
    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

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  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #69 - October 01, 2009, 01:52 PM
    Are we going to accept many changes to what was simply because they slide in smoothly enough to say "what's the big deal"?

    I mean there is the whole slippery slope arguement, and I for one am never keen to use it, but in this instance there have been quite a few "minor" changes that have passed simply because it wasn't a big deal.

    Introducing sharia courts, even if only for family disputes, no doubt was said "well it's not really a big deal, we have jewish courts and whatnot, why not hey" and the next thing you know we have sharia courts. 

    I'm just spitting this out as the devils advocate because I would like to hear a response.  Smiley
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  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #70 - October 01, 2009, 02:54 PM
    Quote from: aliadiere
    I am always very cynical about people who object to halal meat on the grounds of animal welfare for a number of reasons. The first reason is why is halal meat the first thing these people pick on, when factory farming in this country is as unethical as it is?


    Who are "these people"? The "animal rights weirdos" Q-man disparagingly refers to have been pretty vociferous over the years on the subject of factory farming. So I don't think it is correct  that halal meat is being particularly "picked on" by genuine animal welfarists.

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    Halal slaughter is nowhere near the biggest animal welfare issue in the farming industry. I have read on the bnp website about the cruelty of halal slaughter. The BNP do not give a shit about animal cruelty, they just need as many sticks they can get their hands on to beat jonny foreigner with.


    I am sure the BNP have their own agenda and are taking advantage of the main UK political parties' failure to address non-Muslim UK citizens'
    legitimate concerns about the spread of Islam and related problems in their country - as well as trying to pick up some of the animal welfarist votes. This does not make everything they say wrong though.

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    Also, if you look at history, ritual slaughter was banned in 16th century spain, it was banned in nazi germany, and it was banned in Italy under Mussolini. In all three of these cases, the ban was not due to any concern for animal welfare but because of anti semitism.


    And therefore objections of non-Muslim parents to their kids having halal meat put in their school dinners will lead to....Huh??

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    And thirdly, most halal meat these days is stunned anyway - what is the big deal?


    As I have already pointed out, for those who have lobbied for halal meat on the school menu the "big deal" is that they believe that Allah will burn their kids in hell forever if they eat non-ritually-slaughtered animal flesh. How daft is that? The "big deal" for non-Muslim parents is that - for a variety of reasons - they don't want their kids to have the food they eat Islamized. Why can't you just accept that?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #71 - October 01, 2009, 03:00 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance
    God your dense.


    God you're illiterate.

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    What I mean is - is this the extent of your 'activism', to post your boring, paranoid disinformation?


    Oh THAT game again. I have already said I am not playing along with your attempt to try and bog the debate down in this irrelevent non-issue.

    Quote
    Where else do you visit, what other sites, to spread your mind-rot?


    I suggest you either get back on topic or go some place else.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #72 - October 01, 2009, 03:03 PM
    Are you an ex Muslim btw Jack? If so, is there a link to your "Why I left Islam" story?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #73 - October 01, 2009, 03:35 PM
    Quote from: DH on October 01, 2009, 03:00 PM
    I suggest you either get back on topic or go some place else.


    I suggest you 'fess up, particularly if you want me to play ball with your question above. that's the way it works, give and take, and i asked first -  I think we need to know a bit about you before we go any further, so come on, get it off your chest. Afro
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  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #74 - October 01, 2009, 03:38 PM
    So why did you leave Islam Jack?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #75 - October 02, 2009, 07:31 AM
    Wassup Tricky? Cat got your tongue?
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  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #76 - October 02, 2009, 01:47 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on October 01, 2009, 03:35 PM
    I suggest you 'fess up, particularly if you want me to play ball with your question above. that's the way it works, give and take, and i asked first -  I think we need to know a bit about you before we go any further, so come on, get it off your chest. Afro


    Sorry, I didn't see your above post JT. Again: you are trying to divert attention away from the fact you cannot adequately take issue with my arguments related to the topic at hand. So no, I am not playing along.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #77 - October 02, 2009, 02:43 PM
    Hmm, what's that fishy smell  Huh?
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  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #78 - October 02, 2009, 02:49 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance
    Hmm, what's that fishy smell


    You've left a piece of fish lying about somewhere perhaps? 
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Mark Steel: So has anyone really been 'Islamified' against their will?
     Reply #79 - October 02, 2009, 02:50 PM
    Thread locked until further notice.  Afro
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