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  • Awesome Debate
     OP - October 02, 2009, 07:26 PM
    This is a debate between Michael Shermer and Dinesh D'Souza. I recommend for everyone to watch it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO80oP3eiSk&feature=fvsr
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  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #1 - October 02, 2009, 09:09 PM
    I just saw it Tommy, wasn't very impressed with the format. I didn't think that Michael Shermer got enough time to get his point across, as for Dinesh, his arguments were very weak indeed.
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #2 - October 02, 2009, 09:13 PM
    I think this one might be better (so i've been told). It's in twelve parts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkEsdGEGEKY&feature=related
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #3 - October 02, 2009, 09:24 PM
    I love Michael Shermer, but I'm not very impressed with his debate skills mainly because he is somewhat of a Science Absolutist--so he rarely brings in any philosophical arguments, or any arguments referring to History. I do like his skeptic series, and I believe he has a brilliant mind, but I think he needs to argue from different angles if he really wants to get his points across in regards to religious debates.

    There are other debates between him and intelligent designers where Michael Shermer destroys the opposing arguments with remarkable points about evolution and science in general. Those I recommend for everyone to really seek out and watch.


    Here is a great talk by him:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFxxrcoaIII

    Here is Michael's presentation at TED (my favorite):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T_jwq9ph8k

    Here are some of his great debates:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j_SD1EgcUI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pm9FC1S3Xs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlwCwgMYmBw&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsESXuZgl4g&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgklyvqIuSc&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x0IsHBHzVY&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqpF4nrreLE&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy5SQ0RR7mk&feature=related


    I really wish Michael Shermer would debate the fucktard Harun Yahya. Now that, would a debate I'd pay to go see.

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  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #4 - October 02, 2009, 09:45 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on October 02, 2009, 09:24 PM
    I love Michael Shermer, but I'm not very impressed with his debate skills mainly because he is somewhat of a Science Absolutist--so he rarely brings in any philosophical arguments, or any arguments referring to History. I do like his skeptic series, and I believe he has a brilliant mind, but I think he needs to argue from different angles if he really wants to get his points across in regards to religious debates.


    Agreed, in this one a better opponent would have been Hitchens, Harris, Dawkins or even Barker. I've not read the Skeptic magazine. I don't think we can get it here in the UK. Shermer does have a brilliant mind but it is more better suited to the scientific arena.

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    I really wish Michael Shermer would debate the fucktard Harun Yahya. Now that, would a debate I'd pay to go see.


    Now that would be a great debate. I would also like him to debate Zakir "pants too short" Naik. Other debates I want to see is with people like Hamza Yusuf and Abdal Hakim Murad.
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #5 - October 02, 2009, 10:36 PM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on October 02, 2009, 09:45 PM
    Agreed, in this one a better opponent would have been Hitchens, Harris, Dawkins or even Barker. I've not read the Skeptic magazine. I don't think we can get it here in the UK. Shermer does have a brilliant mind but it is more better suited to the scientific arena.


    I think Hitchens, and Harris can cover both Christianity and Islam very well--Hitchens being the better of the two in my opinion. But, Barker I think should only deal with Christianity since that's where he is most knowledgeable in. Shermer and Dawkins I think should deal with scientific debates. Again, that's just what I think based what I've heard from Hitchens, Harris, Dawkins, Barker and Shermer.

    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on October 02, 2009, 09:45 PM
    Now that would be a great debate. I would also like him to debate Zakir "pants too short" Naik. Other debates I want to see is with people like Hamza Yusuf and Abdal Hakim Murad.


    I like Hamza Yusuf over Naik--particualrly because Naik doesn't know anything and he's a hate monger. Hamza is a lighter version of the same shit Naik spits out.
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  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #6 - October 02, 2009, 10:50 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on October 02, 2009, 10:36 PM
    I think Hitchens, and Harris can cover both Christianity and Islam very well--Hitchens being the better of the two in my opinion. But, Barker I think should only deal with Christianity since that's where he is most knowledgeable in. Shermer and Dawkins I think should deal with scientific debates. Again, that's just what I think based what I've heard from Hitchens, Harris, Dawkins, Barker and Shermer.


    I have seen Barker debate a muslim twice. He debated a chap called Hassanain Rajabali and he handled the debate very well, this was because the debate was solely focused on God and not on religion.

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    I like Hamza Yusuf over Naik--particualrly because Naik doesn't know anything and he's a hate monger. Hamza is a lighter version of the same shit Naik spits out.


    Naik is a showman and might have a rhetorical advantage over his opponent. Although I'd like to see Hamza debate with one of these guys, I don't think he would because he doesn't really do debates. He would also be the type to say that debating someone like Hitchens has no benefit in it.
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #7 - October 02, 2009, 11:22 PM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on October 02, 2009, 09:13 PM
    I think this one might be better (so i've been told). It's in twelve parts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkEsdGEGEKY&feature=related


    This was certainly a better debate. Peter Singer was clear and to the point.
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #8 - October 02, 2009, 11:25 PM
    Here is Hitchens v D'Souza. There are ten parts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlCKuag_Ac8

    .....and this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6vTXDUzR2Y

  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #9 - October 03, 2009, 12:25 AM
    Oh shit Hitchens actually debated D'souza? I'm about to watch it right now  Afro
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  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #10 - October 03, 2009, 12:31 AM
    Quote from: Tommy on October 03, 2009, 12:25 AM
    Oh shit Hitchens actually debated D'souza? I'm about to watch it right now  Afro


    Yeah, on several occasions. I'm watching the second of the two debates that I've posted. This is the third debate I've seen of D'Souza and he seems to be going over the same ground. He went through this with Shermer and with Singer.
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #11 - October 03, 2009, 01:57 AM
    Here is a debate with the creationist Kent Hovind which treats him with all the dignity he deserves, and answers the one and only "point" he makes with all the scientific rigour necessary to answer it successfully.  Enjoy...




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB5VXJXxnNU
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  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #12 - October 03, 2009, 02:09 AM
    Ah! Speaking of Hovind--since Kent Hovind went to prison, and is currently serving 10 years for 53 charges of tax evasion, his son Eric Hovind has taken over Kent's ministry---and he's just AS restarted. Here is an amusing debate between Eric Hovind and Michael Shermer.  parrot

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8fay9rIprw
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  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #13 - October 03, 2009, 07:29 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on October 03, 2009, 01:57 AM
    Here is a debate with the creationist Kent Hovind which treats him with all the dignity he deserves, and answers the one and only "point" he makes with all the scientific rigour necessary to answer it successfully.  Enjoy...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB5VXJXxnNU

    I piss my sides everytime I see that clip - particularly the accusation of who left the floater in the toiler  Cheesy
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  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #14 - October 03, 2009, 08:55 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 03, 2009, 07:29 AM
    I piss my sides everytime I see that clip - particularly the accusation of who left the floater in the toiler  Cheesy


     Cheesy The "Homo" part is the best  Afro
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  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #15 - October 03, 2009, 09:18 AM
    Sometimes I wonder why on earth the same tired old arguments keep coming up in these debates? The arguments that keeps coming through are:-

    a - Moral Argument
    b - Cosmological (First Cause)
    c - Fine Tuning

    Why aren't these arguments nailed yet? The theists keep bringing them up and our side (the infidels) keep shutting them up. But the same shit keeps coming up, particularly the moral argument and the first cause one.
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #16 - October 03, 2009, 09:33 AM
    WTF??? Dinesh D'Souza just doesn't get it. What does whatever Stallin did have to with atheism? Atheism is an absence of belief not an ideology!

  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #17 - October 03, 2009, 09:36 AM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on October 03, 2009, 09:18 AM
    Sometimes I wonder why on earth the same tired old arguments keep coming up in these debates? The arguments that keeps coming through are:-

    a - Moral Argument
    b - Cosmological (First Cause)
    c - Fine Tuning

    Why aren't these arguments nailed yet? The theists keep bringing them up and our side (the infidels) keep shutting them up. But the same shit keeps coming up, particularly the moral argument and the first cause one.

    I think its because we are confusing the issue.  We need to steer away from the God or no God arguments.  Its irrelevent, far too complex and impossible to prove in any case. 

    We need to focus on Islam being man-made, simply by using the same arguments they would use to falsify the others.
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  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #18 - October 03, 2009, 10:52 AM
    Quote from: Tommy on October 03, 2009, 12:25 AM
    Oh shit Hitchens actually debated D'souza? I'm about to watch it right now  Afro


    Did you watch any of the D'Sousa v Hitchens debates? What did you think?
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #19 - October 03, 2009, 11:19 AM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on October 03, 2009, 10:52 AM
    Did you watch any of the D'Sousa v Hitchens debates? What did you think?


    At the start of this debate. D'Souza talks about reason etc and says that he's not going to use scripture, rightly so, but he very quickly starts to defend christianity and doesn't step outside the box to try and define a coherent version of God. You know if your going to debate make it philosophical and leave religion out of it.
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #20 - October 03, 2009, 05:12 PM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on October 03, 2009, 10:52 AM
    Did you watch any of the D'Sousa v Hitchens debates? What did you think?


    Yeah, I did. Frankly, I thought it was alright--nothing new was brought to the table. I was laughing my ass off at the beginning when Hitchens was told to go introduce, and he was behind D'Souza, and he made that hand gesture as if he was about to hit him--I think that was the only highlight of the debate LOL.

    But yeah, it was rather mundane because nothing new was brought to the table. I've moved on from watching religious debates/ debating about religious topics. My focus is now on scientific debates like Evolution v.s Intelligent Design--which is why I'm a big fan of Michael Shermer. I wish Richard Dawkins would do a Evolution v.s Intelligent Design debate, but he always pussy out  parrot
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  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #21 - October 03, 2009, 05:18 PM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on October 03, 2009, 09:33 AM
    WTF??? Dinesh D'Souza just doesn't get it. What does whatever Stallin did have to with atheism? Atheism is an absence of belief not an ideology!




    Yeah I thought that was very dumbass of him too. It's a common Christian argument. It was disappointing when he brought up that bullshit argument against Shermer, and Shermer responded with arguments from Evolution, and kinda dodging the accusation--as if implying that D'Souza was right. I think Shermer was just misunderstood.

    Seriously how can you do ANYTHING on the name of a disbelief? That's like me killing someone based on my disbelief of Santa Claus or Big Foot.
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  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #22 - October 04, 2009, 09:50 AM
    On a slightly lighter note but still informative.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzN-uIVkfjg
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #23 - October 04, 2009, 10:03 AM
    This is brilliant. The message is to teach kids about the facts about other creeds not the values, so that they can make an informed choice.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTepA-WV_oE&feature=channel
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #24 - October 04, 2009, 10:30 AM
    I'm watching this one at the moment because I like Prof Daniel Dennett and his evolutionary philosophy. If D'Souza keeps bringing up the same shit again then I don't think he is serious about anything and is simply re-inventing the wheel.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw7J15TeDG4
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #25 - October 04, 2009, 01:12 PM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on October 04, 2009, 10:30 AM
    I'm watching this one at the moment because I like Prof Daniel Dennett and his evolutionary philosophy. If D'Souza keeps bringing up the same shit again then I don't think he is serious about anything and is simply re-inventing the wheel.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw7J15TeDG4


    Dinesh D'Souza just keeps going on about the same tired old argument stuff that he has been through in all his other lectures. If this is the best they can produce, then good luck to them, cos they are really gonna need it. One of these guys should really send out the refutations to him because his arguments have been refuted. Although I don't think they have been discussed in a debate.
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #26 - October 05, 2009, 05:03 PM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on October 04, 2009, 10:03 AM
    This is brilliant. The message is to teach kids about the facts about other creeds not the values, so that they can make an informed choice.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTepA-WV_oE&feature=channel


    Yeah I watched that one before--I love Dannet. My views are mutual to his.
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  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #27 - October 05, 2009, 08:06 PM
    I prefer this type of thing now, simply because it's more academic rather than polemic.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th7CFye03gQ&feature=player_embedded#
  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #28 - October 05, 2009, 08:14 PM
    hey, this is the 'guns, germs & steel' tv series guy
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  • Re: Awesome Debate
     Reply #29 - October 06, 2009, 07:46 AM
    Quote from: Tommy on October 02, 2009, 09:24 PM
    I love Michael Shermer, but I'm not very impressed with his debate skills mainly because he is somewhat of a Science Absolutist--so he rarely brings in any philosophical arguments, or any arguments referring to History. I do like his skeptic series, and I believe he has a brilliant mind, but I think he needs to argue from different angles if he really wants to get his points across in regards to religious debates.

    There are other debates between him and intelligent designers where Michael Shermer destroys the opposing arguments with remarkable points about evolution and science in general. Those I recommend for everyone to really seek out and watch.


    Here is a great talk by him:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFxxrcoaIII

    Here is Michael's presentation at TED (my favorite):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T_jwq9ph8k

    Here are some of his great debates:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j_SD1EgcUI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pm9FC1S3Xs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlwCwgMYmBw&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsESXuZgl4g&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgklyvqIuSc&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x0IsHBHzVY&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqpF4nrreLE&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy5SQ0RR7mk&feature=related


    I really wish Michael Shermer would debate the fucktard Harun Yahya. Now that, would a debate I'd pay to go see.




    These debates and talks were good. Michael Shermer sticks to what he's familiar with. Jonathan Wells just seemed a bit silly by not offering an alternatve. You can tell that he's dying to say "GODIDIT", but might fear some sort of laughter or ridicule. Jonathan Wells doesn't really demonstrate where the errors are in evolution theory or the fossil record.
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