Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #30 - November 22, 2009, 01:58 PM

Quote from: Hassan on November 22, 2009, 10:57 AM
Sorry, Omaar, but I don't have the time nor the desire to go through that very long article. A brief look tells me it isn't worth the effort.

What is interesting to note though is that many Muslims have now had to shift the debate about embryology in Qur'an from the more striking claim that the Qur'an describes embryology long before it was known about - to: The Qur'an's description of embryology is much better than those of the Greeks and others.

And to do this they are having to rely more and more on giving meanings to words that they simply don't have.

What Muslims used to be impressed by was the claim that the Qur'an revealed something that was not known.

Arguing very dubiously that; the Qur'an has slightly better descriptions than previous ones - is far less impressive.

Hence I've always said that the so-called scientific miracles are nothing less than linguistic gymnastics to prove already known information. If they want a miracle then it should tell people something new, right now, that we don't know about. To claim the Qur'an has miracles would be like a person, a day after the lotto claiming that the results he wrote down the night before (after the lotto results were announced) that he has powers to see into the future. It only a miracle if it it was founded BEFORE science proved it.

Damn Muslims are so silly, its like the dick who says, "ooh, I knew that was going to happen" after the event occurs.

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #31 - November 22, 2009, 02:05 PM

Quote from: kaiwai on November 22, 2009, 01:58 PM
Damn Muslims are so dumb

I really dislike it when I see comments like that, kaiwai.
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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #32 - November 22, 2009, 02:29 PM

Quote from: Hassan on November 22, 2009, 02:05 PM
I really dislike it when I see comments like that, kaiwai.

I've corrected it.

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #33 - December 02, 2009, 09:34 PM

Awesome vid!!!

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #34 - December 24, 2009, 02:06 AM

Wow.....i can't thank you enough
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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #35 - December 24, 2009, 02:07 AM

Hassan is amazing. If i were a hot chick I'd totally do him.

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #36 - January 08, 2010, 05:03 PM

Hello my ex-muslim friends. I am a scientist and have a blog which completely refutes most of the claims made in Hassan's 'Scientific miracles' video. I know a lot of you will completely dismiss me straight away, but I do put forward the challenge for anyone to refute my claims.

If interested please visit my blog:
abuyunus2.wordpress.com

and scroll down to the relevant section.

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #37 - January 08, 2010, 05:24 PM

Please don't tell me you are one of those nut cases who talk about science in the Qur'an. Sorry to be rude but I have had it with these scientific miracles.

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #38 - January 08, 2010, 05:40 PM

Whether I'm a nut-case or not I'll leave for you to judge. But it doesn't help your case if you ignorantly dismiss my claims without even having looked at the evidence. If you find any errors regarding Hassans video in my blog I will gladly delete them.

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #39 - January 08, 2010, 05:42 PM

Maybe start with one of the best "rebuttals" against hassan and post it here in summary. I'm not going to read the whole blog.

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #40 - January 08, 2010, 05:55 PM

I think the reason that no one here is particularly excited at your rebuttals of Hassan's vids is because it is impossible to support a Muslim's views on this as there is no realistic way you will have successfully counter-argued. It gives the claims more credence than deserved even to contmeplate authenticity. I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm just thinking -'what's the point, it will be a complete waste of time.' How about you challenge me on that and give us your best knock-back, if it astounds me, I promise to go read the whole thing, word for word?

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #41 - January 08, 2010, 05:59 PM

I should have known better than to come on here. You don't need to read the whole blog but just the section on Hassan's scientific miracles video.

But anyways, for example one of the errors he made is that he says the pre-corpernican model of the universe contains seven 'heavens' whereas in fact it actually contains a minimum of eight according to its proponents Aristotle and Plato. Furthemore according to the pre-corpernican model only the moon is in the lowest 'heaven' and the fixed stars are only in one of the outermost 'heavens'. Whereas according to the Quran the stars are in the lowest heaven.

''We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars''

37:6

Therefore the claim that the seven heavens in the Quran are referring to the precopernican model is obviously fundamentally wrong.

I have no intention of summarising each of the points I make. If you are interested in the other points I make please visit my blog and read the relevant section.

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #42 - January 09, 2010, 12:32 AM

If anyone is interested in reading the blog but is having trouble finding it, simply type in 'abuyunus2' into google search and follow the 'A response to Abooali link'.

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #43 - January 09, 2010, 12:47 AM

Abuyunus - whilst I welcome your efforts the science in the quran is a meaningless debate in my eyes since that book is so incoherent anyway and its meaning seem to change with the wind depending on what people believe or discover. There is nothing to prove that it is divine, if it is we have a very inarticulate God and reveals very poor literature which is repetitive, boring and uninspiring.

Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #44 - January 09, 2010, 12:55 AM

You wont convince anyone here with scientific miracle claims, we've heard it all before and we've had enough. I think we'd all rather prefer a defence to the more crucial stuff but of course many of us have heard all that before too, you really cant defend some of the stuff in the Quran. I had a look at the first bit of your blog about who allah accepts into heaven and you are already cherry picking. There are about 2 other verses talking about how anyone who doesn't believe in allah, mo the messenger and the last day will go to hell. In other words, a contradiction.

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #45 - January 09, 2010, 01:11 AM

Quote from: abuyunus2 on January 08, 2010, 05:59 PM
I should have known better than to come on here. You don't need to read the whole blog but just the section on Hassan's scientific miracles video.

But anyways, for example one of the errors he made is that he says the pre-corpernican model of the universe contains seven 'heavens' whereas in fact it actually contains a minimum of eight according to its proponents Aristotle and Plato. Furthemore according to the pre-corpernican model only the moon is in the lowest 'heaven' and the fixed stars are only in one of the outermost 'heavens'. Whereas according to the Quran the stars are in the lowest heaven.

''We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars''

37:6

Therefore the claim that the seven heavens in the Quran are referring to the precopernican model is obviously fundamentally wrong.

I have no intention of summarising each of the points I make. If you are interested in the other points I make please visit my blog and read the relevant section.

Regards
Abu Yunus

Which 8? They knew of all the planets up to Saturn, that makes 6 (excluding earth), include the moon and that is 7. Which is the 8th? The sun doesn't count.

If we go with your interpretation of what the lower heavens consists of then where would that leave the planets? I disagree with your interpretation of that verse (I have a tasfir that disagrees with you too) but for the sake of debate lets agree with yours.

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #46 - January 09, 2010, 01:30 AM

Quote from: PeruvianSkies on January 09, 2010, 01:11 AM
Which 8? They knew of all the planets up to Saturn, that makes 6 (excluding earth), include the moon and that is 7. Which is the 8th? The sun doesn't count.

If we go with your interpretation of what the lower heavens consists of then where would that leave the planets? I disagree with your interpretation of that verse (I have a tasfir that disagrees with you too) but for the sake of debate lets agree with yours.

Five planets, the sun, the moon and the stars, that was Plato's model because it was not heliocentric..

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #47 - January 09, 2010, 01:34 AM

Which 5 planets? Which one did they have missing (aside from the last 3)? I'm quite sure they knew about Saturn unless I remember wrong.

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #48 - January 09, 2010, 01:37 AM

Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. Then there are the Sun, the moon and the stars

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Re: Hassan and "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?"
Reply #49 - January 09, 2010, 01:40 AM

I cant count Somehow how got 6 instead of 5 from the planets, think I accidentally counted earth.

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