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 Topic: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha

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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #60 - October 29, 2009, 06:49 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 29, 2009, 06:27 PM
    Yep, I found it interesting that Panaptic did not have a strong opinion on the subject.. perhaps because of what you are saying here


    Well, it's not the most important thing in the world.

    There is a case for and a case against. They are both problematic. My strong opinion is that we have to decide.
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #61 - October 29, 2009, 07:00 PM
    Quote from: panoptic on October 29, 2009, 06:37 PM
    @Tommy [not you, Qman]: It's bad enough you can't follow an argument to save your life, but this takes the biscuit:



    Good for you panoptic, you've managed to pick out and  rebut the only argument comment from me (out of all the ones you failed to intelligently answer) where it really was a mistake from my part. Pat yourself in the back.  Afro
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #62 - October 29, 2009, 07:09 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on October 29, 2009, 07:00 PM
    Good for you panoptic, you've managed to pick out and  rebut the only argument comment from me (out of all the ones you failed to intelligently answer) where it really was a mistake from my part. Pat yourself in the back.  Afro


    You didn't have any arguments. That's why you lost. But you can go away and think that if you want.

    [expletive removed]
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #63 - October 29, 2009, 07:30 PM
    Ofcourse us bad guys (DH and Billy included) didn't have any arguments Panoptic.  Roll Eyes This is what the end comments usually end up as when speaking to a person who refuses to see the other side such as yourself.

    So you win, you've proved your point--it really is waste of time arguing against children when all they do is put their fingers in their ears and rant--and eventually resorts to calling those who disagrees, names (as you've so profoundly demonstrated from your comment above)

     Keep up the good work Panoptic.  Wink
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #64 - October 29, 2009, 07:42 PM
    Quote from: Paloma on October 24, 2009, 12:03 PM

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222511/Muslim-student-18-banned-college-refuses-remove-burka.html

    (Clicky for piccy!)






    Does anyone else think that girl looks like she could be quite hot?
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #65 - October 29, 2009, 07:43 PM
    I thought that too.
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #66 - October 29, 2009, 07:44 PM
    Yeah, but you can't tell much just from the eyes!
    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #67 - October 29, 2009, 07:45 PM
    [offending words removed]
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #68 - October 29, 2009, 07:46 PM
    Apparently you can. We both agree this chic could be really beautiful underneath. And all we see are the eyes.
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #69 - October 29, 2009, 07:50 PM
    Quote from: panoptic on October 29, 2009, 07:45 PM
    I wasn't the one who started being insulting. So don't be surprised that I responded.

    What kind of mongoloid makes a 'mistake' like that?  Cheesy Jumped up retard.

    You actually look like your mother's vagina, by the way.


    Such an e-thug you are Panoptic.  whistling2
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #70 - October 29, 2009, 08:03 PM
    whatever
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #71 - October 29, 2009, 08:07 PM
    Sid Vicious - That was a good name wasn't it? But he had a problem with the drugs.
    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #72 - October 29, 2009, 08:16 PM
    Just like most musicians.
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #73 - October 29, 2009, 09:54 PM
    Quote from: panoptic on October 29, 2009, 04:35 PM
    Not as far the law stands.

    That is not true (in this country, at least).

    They have a right just as everyone else does to wear what they like in public. If banks refuse service they have to be able to justify their reasons in court.

    In Australia it is illegal to enter a bank with your face covered, as far as I know. It is very definitely illegal to enter a bank wearing a motorbike helmet (which used to be a favourite or bank robbers here). Same goes for balaclavas. Actually the same rules apply at service stations (gas stations to you Yanks). No walking in with your face covered. you will be refused service and if you try to make a fuss about it the cops will be called pronto.

    I see no reason at all why niqabis should not be held to the same standard as anyone else.
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #74 - October 29, 2009, 10:00 PM
    Quote from: panoptic on October 29, 2009, 06:49 PM
    Well, it's not the most important thing in the world.

    There is a case for and a case against. They are both problematic. My strong opinion is that we have to decide.

    Some would say it a fundamental right (me included) for people to wear what they want, as long as they are not harming anyone else?  

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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #75 - October 29, 2009, 10:09 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 29, 2009, 09:54 PM
    I see no reason at all why niqabis should not be held to the same standard as anyone else.


    I agree. The rules are different here, though (and they work, tbh). It came up because I said that if we're going to make it part of public of life, then we should accept it as such. If we can't accept that, then let's make that decision. It's become politicized to an unhealthy degree.

    So I think we need principled, generally applied standards (in favour or against).
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #76 - October 29, 2009, 10:12 PM
    Yeah sure, I'd go along with that. I think the laws here are fine because really there is no need for anyone to wear face coverings in a bank (or anywhere else for that matter) and there are sound reasons for banning them.
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #77 - October 29, 2009, 10:14 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 29, 2009, 09:54 PM
    Actually the same rules apply at service stations (gas stations to you Yanks).


    They're called service stations here too, "gas station" is a more casual and commonly used term for the same thing.
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #78 - October 29, 2009, 10:18 PM
    They are petrol stations in the UK - why are they called gas stations btw? Petrol is a liquid, not a gas  Huh?
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #79 - October 29, 2009, 10:24 PM
    I didn't think it appropriate to continue with the thread, as I lost my civility (for which I apologise), which I had managed to keep up to that point.


    Later

    Quote from: IsLame on October 29, 2009, 10:00 PM
    Some would say it a fundamental right (me included) for people to wear what they want, as long as they are not harming anyone else?  


    This is where social contract arguments come in, because as much as I am with that spirit, society has to regulate clothing. It can't allow all clothing in all situations (for practical reasons at least). Sometimes veils are used as a disguise to commit crime (there have been cases).

    But the strongest one for me is that women are often forced or pressured into veiling. The problem is that banning it is just as (more?) problematic as allowing it within possibility.

    Is personal freedom the decisive argument? I don't know.

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    P.S Love your signature by the way  Wink


    Thanks Smiley It's not my own quote, though. Someone on a forum typed it.

    Here's another one: 'I exist because, through your existence, you in turn acknowledge my own.'

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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #80 - October 29, 2009, 10:29 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 29, 2009, 10:18 PM
    They are petrol stations in the UK - why are they called gas stations btw? Petrol is a liquid, not a gas  Huh?


    Gas is short for gasoline, which was a non-registered trademark that became generic, the etymology of which I don't know, but for some reason petroleum products in the US back in the day got "oline"/""eline" stuck on the end of the name-- like Vaseline, cosmoline, etc. As opposed to the thick, gooey vaseline or cosmoline, maybe "gasoline" was called so because of the noxious, flammable vapors-- who the fuck knows?
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #81 - October 30, 2009, 09:45 AM
    Now supposing the niqab-wearing woman doesn't really desire to wear it but is being pressurized by her relatives - perhaps with the threat of violence -  to make these demands?
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #82 - October 30, 2009, 09:52 AM
    Supposition. Provide evidence.
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #83 - October 31, 2009, 10:17 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus
    Supposition. Provide evidence.


    "Providing evidence" that a particular female is being pressurized or intimidated into wearing Islamic dress against their will is of course nigh on impossible because of the individual's fear of "speaking out". You are not suggesting that such compulsion of women by their own Muslim families does not happen? Why then does a "Muslim group" in Canada call for the wearing of burqas in public to be banned on those very grounds?:

    FULL STORY
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #84 - October 31, 2009, 10:30 AM
    You're right, I'm not suggesting that. However you cannot assume coercion in all cases.
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her bu
     Reply #85 - October 31, 2009, 10:32 AM
    There are already laws against women being coerced into anything against their will.  If this particular girl is being coerced into wearing a veil, all she has to do is call the police.
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #86 - October 31, 2009, 11:04 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 31, 2009, 10:30 AM
    You're right, I'm not suggesting that. However you cannot assume coercion in all cases.


    My argument is that even if it happens in a minority of cases that in itself is sufficient to support such bans.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her bu
     Reply #87 - October 31, 2009, 11:17 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on October 31, 2009, 10:32 AM
    There are already laws against women being coerced into anything against their will.  If this particular girl is being coerced into wearing a veil, all she has to do is call the police.


    Which could get her killed.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #88 - October 31, 2009, 11:21 AM
    Quote from: DH on October 31, 2009, 11:04 AM
    My argument is that even if it happens in a minority of cases that in itself is sufficient to support such bans.

    Awesome. Got another one for you.

    Since in a minority of cases women in heterosexual relationships get the crap beaten out of them by their male partners, it follows that women should be banned from having heterosexual relationships.

    Same logic. Are you in favour? Yes or no?
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her bu
     Reply #89 - October 31, 2009, 11:37 AM
    Quote from: DH on October 31, 2009, 11:17 AM
    Which could get her killed.


    Is there no law in the UK against killing women? 
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