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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #120 - November 12, 2009, 07:20 AM

    Personally I oppose both organizations as I will never submit to spelling color with a "u", calling soccer "football", and not tipping my bartenders.


    Bloody, Yanks!
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #121 - November 12, 2009, 08:38 AM

    They spell it "blody".  grin12

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #122 - November 12, 2009, 08:40 AM

    Hi Tony, any chance I can get this link.
    cheers arthur.


    I wouldn't bother Arthur.  It is a link showing that one of the inactive moderators is a published author, and apparently he has been involved in the past with some football violence.

    The fact that EDL has roots in football violence is not hidden, never has been.  One thing I will say for those 'hooligans' as we call them is that they always fought each other with pre-arranged rules and it is a rare event indeed that an innocent bystander got hurt.  I'm not condoning them at all, all I'm saying is how it is with them.

    Can I stand at their side?  Yep.  We face violence from such organisations as Antifa and UAF/SWP and their thugs.  It is clear in my memory the day they surrounded a pub where some BNP people were having a meeting and attacked them with hammers.

    We will not defeat this foe without a physical presence.  The scare tactics are very clever indeed and people stay in their homes in safety rather than face violence.  Then they daren't say anything as things get worse and worse.  Before you know it, things have got to a critical mass and all is lost.

    These so-called hooligans have put the enemy on a back footing.  They don't know what to do now, as they know if they attacked the EDL they would lose in a straight stand up battle.  Their tactics now (we have read them) are to go in early on motorbikes trying to pick EDL members off in small groups.  This is what we can expect in Nottingham.

    If we didn't have this physical strength about us, then we might as well cede defeat now and walk hand in hand to the slavery of islam and sharia.

    If you feel 'oh woe oh woe, someone here has actual right wing views, I couldn't possibly stand at a demo with them', then I am afraid you're nothing to be missed.  'Right wing' doesn't involve anything bad at all.  From my perspective it is freedom of the individual to make their own way in the world as they see fit without hinderance from others.  I personally fall more to the centre with having government assistance in the regards of protecting individual rights and the failsafe of a safety net benefits system.  Do my views so offend you that you'd rather have sharia than unite with me to defeat it?

    Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing the attempt - William Shakespeare
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #123 - November 12, 2009, 09:21 AM

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    If we didn't have this physical strength about us, then we might as well cede defeat now and walk hand in hand to the slavery of islam and sharia.


    This is nonsense.  There is no prospect of anyone here who is posting from an EU country being subjected to "the slavery of Islam and Sharia."   That's just blowing everything out of proportion and panicking about nothing.


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    Do my views so offend you that you'd rather have sharia than unite with me to defeat it?


    False dichotomy, the choices before us are not limited to your way or Sharia. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #124 - November 12, 2009, 09:29 AM

    So you are saying there are no sharia courts working in the UK today?

    Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing the attempt - William Shakespeare
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #125 - November 12, 2009, 09:30 AM

    Oo boy, you are so going to get ripped.  dance

    (cheetahs are carnivores)

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #126 - November 12, 2009, 09:35 AM

    So you are saying there are no sharia courts working in the UK today?


    Don't straw man me.   Roll Eyes   There is no prospect of you, me, nor any of our respective fellow countrymen/women being forced into Sharia, that is just scare tactics.  The only Sharia courts in the UK operate under the Arbitration Act of 1995, just like the Beth Din, are you terrified of being forced into the slavery of Judaism and the Torah too?  Or how about the Anglican courts which operate in the UK, are they a sign that Christian theocracy is on its way to Britain?

    I think not.  Stop exaggerating the problem out of all proportion to reality.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #127 - November 12, 2009, 09:43 AM

    I see.  Thank you for explaining your position.

    Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing the attempt - William Shakespeare
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #128 - November 12, 2009, 09:59 AM

    'Thankou for explaining you position'?

    You mean as a rational, level headed persons whose had enough of scre-mongering zealots like you and the EDL? Or is their something else you mean by that?

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #129 - November 12, 2009, 10:14 AM

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    scre-mongering zealots like you and the EDL


    Well I came here to discuss an issue that affects us all, not to be insulted.  Still, I guess it goes with the territory.

    If your group doesn't consider sharia a threat to the freedoms of people within this country then I don't think any further debate with you is necessary as you are clearly lliving in some kind of fantasy world.  Or worse, the claims I have read on other sites about this group could in fact be true.

    I wont be posting here again, don't bother replying.

    Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing the attempt - William Shakespeare
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #130 - November 12, 2009, 10:16 AM

    Shut the door on the way out, ta.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #131 - November 12, 2009, 10:28 AM

    Well I came here to discuss an issue that affects us all, not to be insulted.  Still, I guess it goes with the territory.

    If your group doesn't consider sharia a threat to the freedoms of people within this country then I don't think any further debate with you is necessary as you are clearly lliving in some kind of fantasy world.  Or worse, the claims I have read on other sites about this group could in fact be true.

    I wont be posting here again, don't bother replying.

    Sharia is a threat to the freedoms of a very small percentage of the population of the UK, namely Muslim women and girls who would give up their usual legal rights if they agreed to be bound by a sharia court's ruling.

    Sharia is not a threat to anyone else in the UK. It simply isn't. Do you have any basis for claiming that it would be?

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #132 - November 12, 2009, 10:31 AM

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    Well I came here to discuss an issue that affects us all, not to be insulted.  Still, I guess it goes with the territory.


    You could have discussed it by answering the questions I just asked you, or by demonstrating why you think you are justified in seeing Sharia and Islam as a realistic threat in the UK.

    Telling us that we have to choose between cosying up to football hooligans and the odious Ulster Defense League, or Sharia law, is not a discussion its just a scare tactic based on a false dichotomy.

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    If your group doesn't consider sharia a threat to the freedoms of people within this country then I don't think any further debate with you is necessary as you are clearly lliving in some kind of fantasy world.


    Translation - if you don't already agree with me I won't bother debating with you.  I'll take my ball and go home instead.

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    Or worse, the claims I have read on other sites about this group could in fact be true.


    Yes, they are all true.  We are tequila practising sneaky muslims plotting to take over Britain.  And Ulster, (especially Ballymena we love the locals so much).  We're also all Communists and lesbians, and Berbs even drinks wine from a box.    mysmilie_977

    Quote
    I wont be posting here again, don't bother replying.


    Have a nice life.  

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #133 - November 12, 2009, 11:34 AM

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    I wouldn't bother Arthur.  It is a link showing that one of the inactive moderators is a published author, and apparently he has been involved in the past with some football violence.


     The "inactive" moderator has two convictions for stabbing and has served two prisons sentences.He wrote a letter on the EDL forum the other day that could only be desribed as racist and fascist drivel.

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    The fact that EDL has roots in football violence is not hidden, never has been.  One thing I will say for those 'hooligans' as we call them is that they always fought each other with pre-arranged rules and it is a rare event indeed that an innocent bystander got hurt.  I'm not condoning them at all, all I'm saying is how it is with them.


     Really?Try telling that to two friends of mine who were badly injured at football matches,one recieving a broken jaw,the other suffering a torn femoral artery when stabbed with a broken bottle.Yes,that is how it is with them and a lot of them get a bigger high off violence than they do from sex.

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    Can I stand at their side?  Yep.  We face violence from such organisations as Antifa and UAF/SWP and their thugs.  It is clear in my memory the day they surrounded a pub where some BNP people were having a meeting and attacked them with hammers.


     Sigh.......you attract the antifa because you have these fascists in your ranks.Get rid of them and the antifa will find someone else to fight.Funny how Maryam can demonstrate in the street on her own against Sharia Law and isn't attacked by hammer wielding lefties.

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    We will not defeat this foe without a physical presence.  The scare tactics are very clever indeed and people stay in their homes in safety rather than face violence.  Then they daren't say anything as things get worse and worse.  Before you know it, things have got to a critical mass and all is lost.


     Do you really think the proper Islamic hardmen are frightened of a few football hooligans?.All you faced in Birmingham were a handful of South Asian wannabe gangstas who have been influenced more by Yardie culture than militant Islam.The larger you grow the greater the risk of one of your demos being attacked by a suicide bomber.

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    These so-called hooligans have put the enemy on a back footing.  They don't know what to do now, as they know if they attacked the EDL they would lose in a straight stand up battle.  Their tactics now (we have read them) are to go in early on motorbikes trying to pick EDL members off in small groups.  This is what we can expect in Nottingham.


     Choudary cancelled his London march because he didn't want to be humiliated by Muslims taking the piss out of him.All fascists lack of sense of humour and taking the piss out of them is one of the best ways of dealing with them.He knew full well the Met would never allow the EDL to attack him so the argument that the EDL stopped the parade dosen't wash.The enemy you are talking about is the UAF and anifa so its back to the old left/right battles whilst Choudary gets on with his roadshows.

     
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    'Right wing' doesn't involve anything bad at all.  


     I am quite sure six million Jews would agree with you.In fact there is little to choose between left and right when the polarities are taken to extremes.My father lived under both Soviet and Nazi occupation and both were just as bad.The Soviets rounded up 13,000 people in one night and sent them to Siberia.Most of them were academics and intellectuals and amongst the deportees were children as young as eight.Around 10,000 of these people died in the gulags.When the Nazis kicked the Soviets out they killed almost every Jew in the country.

     You seemed like a decent guy to me,PDB,but its your choice if you want to get into bed with a bunch of social misfits and  reactionaries.I wish you luck.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #134 - November 12, 2009, 12:32 PM

    According to Ed Hussein, universities are being taken over by radical young Muslims and also many mosques allow the Saudis brand of Islam to be preached there.
    The C4 documentary also showed via an undercover reporter that some of this preaching is extremely radical and this has been going on for some years.
    So over those years how many young men have been radicalised? The answer is not known, it could be a hundred or it could be a thousand, all determined to Bring England down, perhaps with bombs or worse.
    You can also combine them with the imported radicals who are here only to bomb us.
    For any society to have such an enemy within, places it in peril.

    Is any thing being done, no the Saudis are still building and staffing mosques and radicalising our young men.

    Then their is the way that Islam stops free speech, like for example the muslim Lord who threatened parliament with 10,000 Muslims. The death threats to anyone who should dare to criticise islam, demonstrating at a solders funeral, killing people because of some cartoons.

    Then we have their treatment of women and gays, this is 21st century England, women and gays are equal and the law of the land says so too.
    It enrages me to see a women walking behind their husbands in that submissive way, also she loaded down with 6 bags of shopping and the bloke has his hands in his pockets.
    Talk like throwing gays off of mountains should result in a jail sentence. Why doesn't it?

    I've heard that in many muslim households, the man decides who his wife and daughters vote for. This is oppression and it's wrong.
    Also subverts our democracy.

    arthur
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #135 - November 12, 2009, 02:13 PM

    Afur, Arfur, Arfur, Arfur......what can be said that hasn't been said already?

    Tony, spot on!

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #136 - November 12, 2009, 08:03 PM

    According to Ed Hussein, universities are being taken over by radical young Muslims and also many mosques allow the Saudis brand of Islam to be preached there.
    The C4 documentary also showed via an undercover reporter that some of this preaching is extremely radical and this has been going on for some years.
    So over those years how many young men have been radicalised? The answer is not known, it could be a hundred or it could be a thousand, all determined to Bring England down, perhaps with bombs or worse.
    You can also combine them with the imported radicals who are here only to bomb us.
    For any society to have such an enemy within, places it in peril.

    Is any thing being done, no the Saudis are still building and staffing mosques and radicalising our young men.

    Then their is the way that Islam stops free speech, like for example the muslim Lord who threatened parliament with 10,000 Muslims. The death threats to anyone who should dare to criticise islam, demonstrating at a solders funeral, killing people because of some cartoons.

    Then we have their treatment of women and gays, this is 21st century England, women and gays are equal and the law of the land says so too.
    It enrages me to see a women walking behind their husbands in that submissive way, also she loaded down with 6 bags of shopping and the bloke has his hands in his pockets.
    Talk like throwing gays off of mountains should result in a jail sentence. Why doesn't it?

    I've heard that in many muslim households, the man decides who his wife and daughters vote for. This is oppression and it's wrong.
    Also subverts our democracy.

    arthur


    Arthur, you hardly need to tell us ex-Muslims about how awful radical Islam is.

    But you are confusing many things here. While Saudi Islam (Wahhabism/Salafism) is without doubt one of the most hateful forms of Islam - it does not all equate to Al-Qa'idah. As for what Ed Hussain said, even he will tell you that Hizbu-Tahrir and Al-Muhajiroun's support is small (and waning now.)

    In other words the bogey man is not coming to get you.

    Radical Islam is a problem we must confront - yes.

    But you are blowing the threat of radical Islam out of all proportion.

    The problem is that those who know nothing about Islam apart from what they read on the front page of the Sun - will believe you and lap it up.

    The result will be large groups of people with an exaggerated and irrational fear roaming around looking for an "Enemy" to confront.

    This is a recipe for violence, confrontation & civil disorder. (I don't believe this is what you and the others here want - but I suspect it is exactly what the BNP and other right-wing racists want and is why many attach themselves to your group.)

    The plain fact is that the UK is in no danger of being taken over by radical Islam.

    As for the threat of terrorism, the Police and secret services are doing a good job in dealing with the tiny minority of violent Islamists.

    We can confront radical Islam - both here and abroad - but let's do it with wisdom and peaceful tactics.

    Smiley
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #137 - November 12, 2009, 08:28 PM

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    Then their is the way that Islam stops free speech, like for example the muslim Lord who threatened parliament with 10,000 Muslims.


    I've seen lots of people claim this, but I've never seen any evidence that it ever happened.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #138 - November 13, 2009, 08:20 AM

    Just a quick note to thank those of you that have been sending support via the PM system here, it really is good to hear.  It is also heart warming to see that apologists such as Cheetah and Jack don't hold the same views as a good deal of the mainstream membership.

    Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing the attempt - William Shakespeare
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #139 - November 13, 2009, 08:44 AM

    Sharia is a threat to the freedoms of a very small percentage of the population of the UK, namely Muslim women and girls who would give up their usual legal rights if they agreed to be bound by a sharia court's ruling.

    Sharia is not a threat to anyone else in the UK. It simply isn't. Do you have any basis for claiming that it would be?

    Implementing sharia law will offer the political doctrine of islam, the institutions and the basis to build up upon and circumvent the separation of mosque & state already in place. Believing sharia is only a threat to muslim girls/women is a folly. I think you only made that statement just to make a point and you do not really believe it.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #140 - November 13, 2009, 09:13 AM

    I am talking about the UK, Baal, not about Iraq or whatever. In the UK you only have sharia tribunals (not "courts" as such) and their rulings are only binding if both parties to the dispute agree to abide by the ruling. Since anyone who is not Muslim is unlikely to be interested in such tribunals, and since Muslim men do pretty well under sharia, I think it is fair to say that only Muslim women and girls are likely to get a rough deal from such tribunals.

    For example, the white Anglo-Saxon males of nominally Christian background who seem to posting here as EDL members would be under no threat whatsoever from a sharia tribunal because they would never have anything to do with one. Bear in mind that these tribunals are not allowed to order any punishments for non-Muslims. If they tried it they would rapidly find themselves in trouble for incitement to violence.

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #141 - November 13, 2009, 09:51 AM

    Just a quick note to thank those of you that have been sending support via the PM system here, it really is good to hear.  It is also heart warming to see that apologists such as Cheetah and Jack don't hold the same views as a good deal of the mainstream membership.



    I just hacked into your account, you dont have any emails of support. Smiley


    Its oot nothing to do with being an apologist and all to do with seeing things as they really are, not as they really are via a Sun editorial.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #142 - November 13, 2009, 10:11 AM

    I realise that there is no imminent danger of sharia law in the sense of parliament implementing it but there are already sharia courts operating in some muslim areas and I from what I know of Islam I doubt whether women get the freedom to say I want an English court.

    If you believe as I do that anyone born here is English, then I run into a problem, because they become my people and I don't want my people to be oppressed and I know that they are, as I see it every day here in Hackney.
    I feel that it is my duty to fight the corner of people here against Islamists.

    Some here say that there is not a threat, but what is it then when a muslim Lord threatens to bring ten thousand muslims to the home of our democracy if the Wilders film is shown, that is a threat to free speech, then we have the fuss over the cartoons, people dying because Islam can't be criticised, so who will criticise Islam now.

    We have to wake up the politicians and the muslims to the threat and I don't believe that it is a coincidence that since EDL has risen so have the number of protesting muslim groups, I think that we are forcing a debate.
    You may not like us but we are drawing attention to this issue.

    I'm pushing for a demo outside the Saudi embassy, shame we can't get a muslim group to stand with us, that would finish off the group that say there are no moderate muslims.
    At the end of the day it doesn't matter if they stand with us or not as long as they stand.
    arthur.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #143 - November 13, 2009, 10:14 AM

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    Some here say that there is not a threat, but what is it then when a muslim Lord threatens to bring ten thousand muslims to the home of our democracy if the Wilders film is shown, that is a threat to free speech, then we have the fuss over the cartoons, people dying because Islam can't be criticised, so who will criticise Islam now.


    Ahem.

    Quote from: Cheetah
    I've seen lots of people claim this, but I've never seen any evidence that it ever happened.


    As for who will criticise Islam now, well the Wilders film was made after the Danish cartoons violence for a start.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #144 - November 13, 2009, 10:43 AM

    Just a quick note to thank those of you that have been sending support via the PM system here, it really is good to hear.  It is also heart warming to see that apologists such as Cheetah and Jack don't hold the same views as a good deal of the mainstream membership.

    Mainstream membership?  I havent seen a single person, bar one perhaps, from here that supports your pov?  Stop deluding yourself, you will come to more sensible conclusions that way..

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #145 - November 13, 2009, 10:43 AM

    But he is now guarded day and night So where is his free speech, it's not even as tho the film was worth watching really.
    arthur.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #146 - November 13, 2009, 10:45 AM

     Arthur,

     Since 2005 there have been more people killed in London through knife attacks than suicide bombing.I would suggest your family has more chance of being the victim of a knife attack than a suicide boming.Are you campaigning against the threat of knife crime? We also have around three thousand people killed on our roads each year.That is the same amount of people as were killed on 911.I am not aware of the public,or the ELD for that matter,marching in our streets and demanding an end to death on our roads.As I stated to PBD there is no way I would stand shoulder to shoulder with ANYONE who has been convicted of knife crime as I detest young people looking up to such a person and taking him as a role model.Such people are no different to those who posion the minds of young Muslims.Evil people exist in all races and religions.

     The threat from Sharia law has been hyped-up by papers such as the Express as they know that Choudary catches people's attention and helps to sell papers.All they are doing is telling readers what they want to hear.

     
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    I'm pushing for a demo outside the Saudi embassy, shame we can't get a muslim group to stand with us, that would finish off the group that say there are no moderate muslims.
    At the end of the day it doesn't matter if they stand with us or not as long as they stand.
    arthur.


     Get rid of all the flags,the absurd "Engerland!" chants and a few of the criminals and plenty of people will join you.Nationalism has nothing to do with Sharia law as it knows no boundaries and affects those of all races.The flags and chants belong at football matches rather than at a serious political demonstration and its high time the EDL realised this.


     
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #147 - November 13, 2009, 10:46 AM

    I realise that there is no imminent danger of sharia law in the sense of parliament implementing it

    Thank-you - thats the only point I was trying to make.  Can you get the rest of your group to agree on this point, and then I might take the rest of their points more seriously?

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #148 - November 13, 2009, 10:52 AM

    But he is now guarded day and night So where is his free speech, it's not even as tho the film was worth watching really.
    arthur.


    Arthur where is your evidence for this claim you keep making about Lord Ahmed threatening Parliament with 10,000 muslims?

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #149 - November 13, 2009, 12:13 PM



    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3765

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    Muslims in the Lords
    From the desk of Thomas Landen on Mon, 2009-01-26 11:16
    The House of Lords is a venerable British institution, but what does one get if one accepts Muslims in? This:

    A member of the Lords intended to invite her colleagues to a private meeting in a conference room in the House of Lords to meet the Dutch politician Geert Wilders, an elected member of the Dutch parliament, to watch his controversial movie Fitna and discuss the movie and Mr. Wilders? opinions with him.

    Barely had the invitation been sent to all the members of the House when Lord Ahmed raised hell. He threatened to mobilize 10,000 Muslims to prevent Mr. Wilders from entering the House and threatened to take the colleague who was organizing the event to court. The result is that the event, which should have taken place next Thursday was cancelled.

    Lord Ahmed immediately went to the Pakistani press to boast about his achievement, which he calls ?a victory for the Muslim community.?



    http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/lord-ahmed-threatens-to-mobilise-10000-so-wilders-visit-off/

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    WHY HAS THE MAINSTREAM PRESS SAID NOTHING ABOUT THIS?
    I understand that for some reason there is a blackout on news of Lord Ahmed?s delayed sentence for a serious driving offence. I fail to see what that has to do with his threats against our parliament. This denial of free speech is something Ahmed and the powers-that-be in the Lords have in common with too many others in Britain (and Holland) today.


    Lord Nazir Ahmed - "I will mobilise 10,000" if Geert Wilders comes to the House of Lords. Who the hell does this man think he is? A tin-pot military dictator? In GREAT Britain?

    It beggars belief that this has happened over the last few days and yet we have heard little of it. It is as though freedom of speech no longer matters in our land.

    The Brussels Journal reported this on  Monday. Cranmer used it on Tuesday but it appeared in Pakistan?s Daily Times on Saturday, straight it seems from the horse?s mouth ? Lord Ahmed.

    NOT in the UK press as far as I can source.  But it IS in Pakistan?s press:

    Pakistan Daily Times: The Far‑right Dutch politician will now be put on trial for his public statements against Islam. As a result of the meeting at the House of Lords not going ahead, all protests and demonstrations have now been cancelled Lord Ahmed termed the decision as ?a victory for the Muslim community.?

    Titled ?Lord Ahmed threatens Parliament into submission? this post at Cranmer?s is disturbing for several reasons.

    1. That he or anyone can threaten parliament in this way and get away with it.

    2. That the Labour leader in the House of Lords (who is already under some little local problem over four fellow peers) can be intimidated in this way, and both she and thus the perpetrator of this threat can get away with it.

    3. That the government is not disowning him, and ? is getting away with it.

    4. That he thinks he can say that he will ?mobilise 10,000″, and get away with it.

    5. That the mainstream press have not covered it at all, and have so far got away with it.


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    CRANMER DOES NOT HIDE HIS DISLIKE OF THE ?NOBLE ?LORD ? but worse than that -
    Some of his commenters say they are turning to the BNP

    ?Lord Ahmed is a repugnant individual. Not only in appearance, but in association, character and morality. And to hear that he has threatened jihad on the House of Lords if their lordships should fail to meet his demands only serves to intensify Cranmer?s loathing of the man.It appears that a member of the House of Lords had invited the Dutch politician, Geert Wilders, to a private meeting in the Palace of Westminster. She had intended to invite her colleagues in the Lords to a private viewing of his ?documentary? Fitna, followed by discussion and debate in true parliamentary fashion. This is, after all, a liberal democracy, and their lordships enjoy the rights of freedom of expression and freedom of association, not to mention certain parliamentary privileges for the protection of their function in the legislature.

    But no sooner had the unsuspecting baroness sent out her invitations, Lord Ahmed raised hell. It is reported that he ?threatened to mobilise 10,000 Muslims to prevent Mr Wilders from entering the House and threatened to take the colleague who was organising the event to court?.

    And so Fitna has been cancelled: it shall not now be screened in the House of Lords on 29th January.

    The Pakistani Press is jubilant, and Lord Ahmed is praising Allah for delivering ?a victory for the Muslim community?.

    It is a sorry state of affairs indeed that a parliament whose liberties have been forged through centuries of religious intolerance should succumb to the threats of one intolerant Muslim. Lord Ahmed is manifesting a notion of Divine Right, and one suspects it is precisely the sort of defence of Islam that Prince Charles shall make when he is sworn ?Defender of Faith?. The blasphemy laws are being re-forged to protect one god, one faith and one prophet; they no longer defend YHWH, Christianity, Jesus Christ or the Church of England. Lord Ahmed is not functioning as a Labour peer; he is the self-appointed khalifa of all things Islamic. He is not concerned to protect freedom of expression or freedom of speech, but to stifle debate and ensure that Parliament submits to the Dar Al-Islam.

    It is for moments such as these that one might hope the Lords Spiritual might enter the fray and defend the right of the noble baroness to extend an invitation to a democratically-elected Dutch MP. Their silence is deafening. They no longer believe anything strongly for fear of causing offence; they no longer defend anything for fear of being abolished.

    If Lord Ahmed had threatened Cranmer with ?10,000 Muslims to prevent Mr Wilders from entering the House?, His Grace would have assured his Lordship of 100,000 people of all faiths and none to prevent the Muslims from preventing Mr Wilders from entering the House.

    There are occasions when turning the other cheek is sheer folly.?


    Lord Ahmed denies having said it, so he has probably been misunderstood - yeah right.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW6PRABq4HM



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