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 Topic: Hello from EDL

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #150 - November 13, 2009, 12:34 PM

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    Lord Ahmed denies having said it, so he has probably been misunderstood - yeah right.


    But Paloma you've got no evidence that he did say it.  You've got two blogsters claiming  that he said it, but their external links do not back up their claim.  Have you any reliable source at all, because this is looking more and more like an urban myth.

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #151 - November 13, 2009, 01:23 PM

     popcorn

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #152 - November 13, 2009, 01:23 PM

    Wasn't gonna reply, but you seem to have some kind of fixation about this Lord Ahmed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQisZM1X8lU

    From 0:38 seconds.

    Will you accept the spoken testimony from a peer of the realm?

    Probably not judging by your sheer head in the sand posts so far.

    Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing the attempt - William Shakespeare
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #153 - November 13, 2009, 01:27 PM

    Check the update at the bottom of this article

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3317931/the-intimidation-of-the-house-of-lords.thtml


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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #154 - November 13, 2009, 01:29 PM

    Firstly, I can't watch You Tubes at the moment.  I can't respond to that vid till I can watch it at home later on.

    Secondly....

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    Will you accept the spoken testimony from a peer of the realm?


    Oh, the irony!  Lord Ahmed is a peer of the fucking realm.   Roll Eyes  He says he didn't and Lord UKIP says he did, so which peer of the realm's testimony am I supposed to accept?

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #155 - November 13, 2009, 01:37 PM

    He says he didn't and Lord UKIP says he did, so which peer of the realm's testimony am I supposed to accept?

    The non-muslim one of course.

    This EDL lot are just a bunch of polished racists.

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #156 - November 13, 2009, 01:43 PM

    Oh, the irony!  Lord Ahmed is a peer of the fucking realm.   Roll Eyes  He says he didn't


    Just a second there tiger!

    I have not seen any evidence whatsoever of Lord Ahmed denying he ever said this.  Can you show me some please?

    Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing the attempt - William Shakespeare
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #157 - November 13, 2009, 01:44 PM

    Try clicking on the link IsLame just provided. 

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #158 - November 13, 2009, 02:01 PM

    But Paloma you've got no evidence that he did say it.  You've got two blogsters claiming  that he said it, but their external links do not back up their claim.  Have you any reliable source at all, because this is looking more and more like an urban myth.


    True, but as one of the blogster said : "WHY HAS THE MAINSTREAM PRESS SAID NOTHING ABOUT THIS?"  If he did say it and it was suppressed, that is worrying dont you think ?

    Whether he said it or not, he did put pressure on the authorities to ban Wilders and succeeded in the first instance and that is also worrying or dont you think so ?

    Anyway, you accuse Arthur et al of blowing the threat of radical Islam out of proportion, but it seems to me that you are minimizing it and you are focusing on his remarks about Sharia, whereas he has mentionned other worries. I dont know about Britain and Ireland, but in Denmark, in all the major cities we now have no go areas, like the one mentionned in my post http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=7155.msg177362#msg177362
    which has been largely ignored. In a Copenhagen suburb called Tingbjerg, the buses have stopped running at night, the vicarage has been put up for sale and the priest is on sick leave after years of harassment, vicarage windows smashed, vicarage broken into and vandalised, die written in blood on the vicarage door etc. The priest is openly homosexual, whether it is this fact or Christianity that has caused the harassment, who knows.

    In Aarhus (2nd largest city in Denmark) dumpsters, cars, schools and nurseries have been put on fire and in an estate largely,as Tingbjerg,populated by immigrants, Greenlanders have been harassed to the point where they have had to move out.

    Is it not legitimate to find this worrying ?

    As for the Sharia courts in Britain, yes they only effect a tiny minority... now, but is it not better to nip it in the bud ?

    With respect to Engerland (is that really what they chant ?) EDL may be overly nationalistic, I dont know enough about it to judge, but what is wrong with feeling a great attachment to and love for the place you were born and raised ? Why must it be sneered at and mocked ? It is as if the mere mention of England and English brings on this reaction from some of the posters here.


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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #159 - November 13, 2009, 02:17 PM


    With respect to Engerland (is that really what they chant ?) EDL may be overly nationalistic, I dont know enough about it to judge, but what is wrong with feeling a great attachment to and love for the place you were born and raised ? Why must it be sneered at and mocked ? It is as if the mere mention of England and English brings on this reaction from some of the posters here.




    True...  I am proud of my origins and my culture for one, and I don't do it out of spite for anyone.  I welcome other people feeling proud of theirs as well, what ever it is...

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #160 - November 13, 2009, 02:22 PM

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    True, but as one of the blogster said : "WHY HAS THE MAINSTREAM PRESS SAID NOTHING ABOUT THIS?"  


    Probably because its an urban myth.  What is the Brussels Journal's original source for this, do you know?  Because as far as I can see they seem to have plucked it out of thin air and then other blogsters ran with it.  The only source they give is an article in the Pakistani press which doesn't mention anything about 10,000 muslims.  The minute it was mentioned in the mainstream media, (The Spectator article IsLame linked to), Lord Ahmed denied it.


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    If he did say it and it was suppressed, that is worrying dont you think ?


    Most urban myths would be worrying if they were true.  

    As for the rest of your post, I made my feelings about the Home Secretary's decision quite clear at the time - I think it was a stupid, craven decision.  I think I've also made my feelings about the EDL clear on other threads too - they are  mostly a bunch of fascists, despite that a few of them seem decent enough.  Go and take a look at their forum if you don't believe me.  

    I don't know much about what's going on in Denmark, but maybe you could post some stories and enlighten us?

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #161 - November 13, 2009, 02:29 PM

    So, Cheetah, you have before you the filmed evidence of Lord Pearson categorically stating that Lord Ahmed said he'd put 10,000 muslims on the streets (I know you can't see it but I assume you concede it is indeed there, which it is).

    On the other hand, you can see a throwaway bit of text on an internet page supposedly from Lord Ahmed saying he denies saying it.  Nothing further just that he 'denies' it.

    Now, based on a preponderance of the evidence before you, you are now stating that you don't believe the filmed, spoken testimony of one Lord, and that you do believe a single line purportedly from another Lord.

    Now, that tells me a heck of a lot about you, your principles and belief system, and it aint pretty from where I'm standing.

    Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing the attempt - William Shakespeare
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #162 - November 13, 2009, 02:32 PM

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    Now, based on a preponderance of the evidence before you, you are now stating that you don't believe the filmed, spoken testimony of one Lord, and that you do believe a single line purportedly from another Lord.


    I haven't seen your evidence yet, which is why I haven't stated either way whether or not I believe his claim.  You'll just have to hold your horses on that one.


    Quote
    Now, that tells me a heck of a lot about you, your principles and belief system, and it aint pretty from where I'm standing.


    Yes, I've noticed that many EDL members are prone to jumping to hysterical conclusions.  It doesn't surprise me that mere skepticism in the face of a lack of evidence would cause you to jump to all kinds of dark conclusions about the skeptic. 

    Still, we'll see when I've managed to watch your vid.

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #163 - November 13, 2009, 02:35 PM

    Dismissing it as an 'urban myth' is a little more than good old fashioned 'skepticism'.

    The hole you dig gets ever deeper.

    Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing the attempt - William Shakespeare
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #164 - November 13, 2009, 02:37 PM

    [quote author=Cheetah link=topic=7325.msg182025#msg182025 date=125812217

    I don't know much about what's going on in Denmark, but maybe you could post some stories and enlighten us?
    [/quote]

    I already did, they did not engender much interest.

    What about the examples I gave in my above post and the post I linked to ?

    Are there like problems in Britain and Ireland ?

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #165 - November 13, 2009, 02:38 PM

    cheetah, here is the evidence you ask for.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3344161/britain-capitulates-to-terror.thtml

    arthur
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #166 - November 13, 2009, 02:41 PM

     
    Dismissing it as an 'urban myth' is a little more than good old fashioned 'skepticism'.

    The hole you dig gets ever deeper.



    Stop being silly, pdbedl.  I'll watch your vid when I get home, till then I haven't accepted or dismissed it.


    Quote from: Paloma
    I already did, they did not engender much interest.

    What about the examples I gave in my above post and the post I linked to ?

    Are there like problems in Britain and Ireland ?



    Those sound worse than anything going on in Ireland certainly.  Britain has problem areas, but nothing like to the extent that the EDL would have you believe.  

    You should post a thread about that story you mentioned about Greenlanders being hassled out of their homes.  That sounds like an interesting one.   Afro

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #167 - November 13, 2009, 02:45 PM

    Arthur, that was dealt with on the previous page.  See IsLame's link to the Spectator's update....

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    Update: Lord Ahmed has been in touch to deny that he ever issued such a threat



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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #168 - November 13, 2009, 03:10 PM

    Oops, sorry bout that cheetah.

    I'm trying to point out the dangers we face and I honestly think that the danger is greater than you think, if you look round Europe you will see that there is a lot going on, almost every weekend in France muslims are seting fire to cars and as Paloma points out,his/her country is having problems.
    Arthur
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #169 - November 13, 2009, 03:32 PM

    I'm trying to point out the dangers we face and I honestly think that the danger is greater than you think, if you look round Europe you will see that there is a lot going on, almost every weekend in France muslims are seting fire to cars and as Paloma points out,his/her country is having problems.


    Wilders has been to Britian. And what happened? Murder? Civil War? Chaos?
    No. A bunch of big-mouthed extremists holding placards.


    I'm trying to point out the dangers we face and I honestly think that the danger is greater than you think, if you look round Europe you will see that there is a lot going on, almost every weekend in France muslims are seting fire to cars and as Paloma points out,his/her country is having problems.


    No, Muslims are not setting fire to cars every weekend. During the past years, there have been some incidents of violent protest from dissatisfied youth. This has nothing to do with religion, it is a result of social problems.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V3c74wsDV0
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #170 - November 13, 2009, 04:23 PM

    I personally feel that sharia law needs to be completely stamped out.  There is no place for it in the UK.

    I realise that there is no imminent danger of sharia law in the sense of parliament implementing it

    Thank-you - thats the only point I was trying to make.  Can you get the rest of your group to agree on this point

    Well Pdbedl -  Do you agree with Arthur?  

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #171 - November 13, 2009, 04:36 PM



    You seem to see a contradiction here, I dont. Pdbedl wants Sharia law stamped out, as do I, nip it in the bud so to speak.

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #172 - November 13, 2009, 04:43 PM

    Thanks Paloma, but the question really was address to the members of EDL.

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #173 - November 13, 2009, 04:51 PM

    This EDL lot are just a bunch of polished racists.


    I don't think that's fair, IsLame and I think we need to be more careful when calling someone a racist otherwise it will lose it's meaning.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #174 - November 13, 2009, 05:00 PM

    Whatever, I could smell a nasty undercurrent before, and even more so now.  But you are free to rub shoulders with that mob of predominantly football hooligans if you want.  Count me out.

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #175 - November 13, 2009, 05:06 PM

    Whatever, you can join rub shoulders with that mob of predominantly football hooligans if you want.  Count me out.


    Take it easy, IsLame - I am also very wary and concerned about the EDL and their tactics. (And I didn't pm anyone in case that's what you're thinking.)

    I just think we need to be fair and rational and not let emotions get to us.

    I am also guilty of this and if you remember when Arthur first came on the forum I tore into him and EDL and was even asked by the mods to remove some offensive language.

    But getting angry or emotional gets us nowhere . Let's just be fair and calm and rational - that's all.

    Smiley
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #176 - November 13, 2009, 05:23 PM

    I am being rational & fair, there is a strong undercurrent of racism/Islamophobia/ whatever you want to call it, here and I dont like it. 

    Its the kind of language I would expect in 1940s Germany from blokes with short moustaches, not here.

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #177 - November 13, 2009, 05:27 PM

    Just to clarify, the private messages of support on here were not from anybody that has contributed to this thread.

    Also to clarify, Paloma is indeed right, I would like to see Sharia completely stamped out.  There are 10 'official' Sharia courts right now, with a further 76 unofficial, I assume these figures to be uncontested.  The only bone of contention is whether or not they are a threat to the legal justice system in this country.

    At present, they are not.  I state that quite categorically.

    However, it is a separate entity to the legal justice system and this is causing division, or further division between social groups within the UK.  Once there is division, communication breaks down and the 'other' group becomes demonised, and it leads to one thing, then another, then another.  Before you know it, protection laws are made for one social group, and it can only get worse.

    Sharia is not a solution, it is a problem, and a bloody gigantic one at that.  At least it has the potential.  So, 'one law for all' would appear to be a good slogan, a very good one.

    Nice bit of subterfuge earlier from Tony, the only information he game me about 'Marshy' was a link to a book on Amazon, and saying he'd been involved in football violence.  So I of course saw nothing wrong with a published author, and yes some people within EDL are from football violence backgrounds.  Then once I post up that I didn't see a problem he reveals that Marshy had stabbed someone and served time and all that.  A clear attempt to show me as some kind of criminal cohort.

    Well, if Marshy has done that, and he has served time, then I find myself saying 'so what?'  I am not a judge, so I wont judge him.  He's done the time society set for him, so that in my opinion is the end of that.  I know someone who did time twice.  Once for attempted murder, and once for murder, same guy, he got him the second time.  If you knew why he murdered him you might feel more sympathetic, as the victim was not an innocent party.  We don't know the details, we aren't judges, so let's just leave it at that and stop playing games.

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  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #178 - November 13, 2009, 05:36 PM

    I would like to see Sharia completely stamped out.


    Of course everyone here agrees with you.

    There are 10 'official' Sharia courts right now, with a further 76 unofficial, I assume these figures to be uncontested.


    I'd be interested to know where you got these figures.
  • Re: Hello from EDL
     Reply #179 - November 13, 2009, 05:39 PM

    Those figures I have seen several times in different places.  However, I don't think it is the exact number that is an issue.  Even if there were only one of these courts, then we have a problem.  And even those on here who don't see a problem with Sharia courts openly acknowledge that they do in fact exist.

    Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing the attempt - William Shakespeare
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