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  • Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     OP - December 09, 2009, 09:49 PM

    I've heard this claim that he needs to have his 1st wife's permission to marry again. Is this true? Where can I read this according to Quran, Hadeeth and Sharia?

    Also, is the same for temporary marriages? Does his wife need to know or does he need to get her permission before he can do a temporary marriage?

  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #1 - December 09, 2009, 09:55 PM

    In the first case the wife doesn't need to know.

    Furthermore, no evidence appears neither in the Qur?an nor sunnah requiring the permission of the first wife if her husband wishes to marry another wife, and therefore he is not required to ask her permission.


    The wife?s approval is not a condition for plural marriage, and it is not obligatory for the husband to have the approval of his first wife if he wants to marry a second wife.


    The second case, I dunno.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #2 - December 09, 2009, 10:04 PM

    There is nothing in the Quran or Hadith which states that the husband requires the first wifes permission in order to marry another wife.

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  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #3 - December 09, 2009, 10:13 PM

    LOL WHY ALL THESE FUCKING LIES? WTF? ARE WE IMPROVING OUR RELIGION? ONE THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW ACCORDING TO HADITH AND SUNNAH? IS THIS NOT INNOVATION?

    sorry for the caps lock im just so fucking mad, wtf, how many more lies? please prove me right, i mean seriously, this is like a bad cosmic joke
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #4 - December 09, 2009, 10:19 PM

    What lies?

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #5 - December 09, 2009, 10:21 PM

    i grew up muslim so i've always heard one of the conditions of 4 wives is that the first one needs to approve, although i have never really come across this being practiced but then again how often does a husband have two wives? but i need to see clear proof of this now because there seem to be so many "explanations" and that fact in itself is a bit suspicious
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife
     Reply #6 - December 09, 2009, 10:52 PM

    In Iran when they introduced Sharia they introduced the "ask the first wife" principle - to soften the blow of allowing 4 wives.
    Last year (or the year before that), they were proposing to get rid of that stipulation (as it wasn't Islamic) - I'm not too sure how far they got - various women's groups were protesting against it.
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #7 - December 09, 2009, 10:58 PM

    He forged a paper saying that he was single so that he could take a second wife
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    If a man wants to take a second wife and he produces a forged paper in order to do the marriage contract, there is no sin on him, because the law that is preventing him from taking a second wife is a false law, and the Muslim is not obliged to obey it or submit to it.


    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #8 - December 09, 2009, 11:07 PM

    Once in a while I visit IslamQA, just for laughs.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #9 - December 10, 2009, 12:15 AM

    I've heard this claim that he needs to have his 1st wife's permission to marry again. Is this true? Where can I read this according to Quran, Hadeeth and Sharia?


    He doesn't need her permission; in fact, he doesn't even have to tell her.  The concept that he does is a new one. It's a good one, it's nice, it's trying to give women a little something, but it's new.  I have heard shaykhs tell the tulab that Islam absolutely does not require them to get her permission or even let her know and that clauses in the contract to this effect mean nothing.  I know of one shaykh who says such clauses invalidate the entire nikah.  You know, b/c it's giving a right to women. 

    I don't think the prophet asked permission before taking yet another wife (if one goes by the hadiths, at any rate).  What is required in (sunni) Shariah is that the wives are treated equally.

    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=12&ID=4445&CATE=10

    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2456&CATE=121

    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2456&CATE=121

    But remember - Islam gives women dignity!

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    Also, is the same for temporary marriages? Does his wife need to know or does he need to get her permission before he can do a temporary marriage?


    I don't know about mutaa, but I know in misyar, the same thing above applies.  There are a lot of women in America who don't know their husbands have had multiple misyar wives that they take when traveling and stuff like that.  If I was married to a daiyee, shaykh or pop nasheed singer, I would have serious doubts about my husband's fidelity. 

    [this space for rent]
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #10 - December 10, 2009, 12:26 AM

    It's certainly not obligatory to seek the first wife's permission, but it's said to be recommended to consult her about your intentions.

    For those who understand, no explanation is necessary. For those who refuse to understand, no explanation is possible.
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #11 - December 10, 2009, 12:44 AM

    i grew up muslim so i've always heard one of the conditions of 4 wives is that the first one needs to approve, although i have never really come across this being practiced but then again how often does a husband have two wives? but i need to see clear proof of this now because there seem to be so many "explanations" and that fact in itself is a bit suspicious


    Black Dog, this is a new idea, one that some Muslims (in the west, it seems mainly)  have come up with to make their religion more palatable - to themselves and others.  They know that western people have a very knee-jerk reaction against polygamy, and this is one of the ways that Muslims in the west have come up with to make it seem like it's very regulated, restricted, etc.  Another one is the "he can only marry a widow, divorcee or woman who has no family" nonsense. Rubbish - there is no such rule.  He can marry a 19 yr old virgin if he likes.

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  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife
     Reply #12 - December 10, 2009, 02:02 AM

    *Le sigh* Why do Muslims think that putting restrictions on things makes something OK? The crap that people come up with to make something palatable just further points out how immoral the principle is. No no, he cant beat you whenever he wants to, only if he fears nushuz from you. and oh yeah, he's gotta talk to you and withhold sex (first). See, we appreciate women  grin12. Oh and he cant just kick you out of the house and stuff when he divorces you , he has to feed you, and clothe you. things you can already do yourself. Oh and you cant divorce him. Even if your hubby's an abusive basterd. well you can go to court but its much more difficult than talaqing his ass 3 times. So see, we really appreciate women  grin12. Oh and you have to cover up too, cuz men are weak sex hounds and you have to bear the brunt of that. You cant walk around like a little putain de pute in your jeans and tank top. You're much too pretty. Oh men didnt really notice you before? Well now that your a muslimah, men will think your smokin hot. No thats not a chip on my shoulder, thats just how things are for us beautiful Muslimahs. You know that Akon song- Sexy Chick- Its about us. After all he is married to 4 sexy Muslimah hunnies, isnt he? So yeah, wanna convert now? grin12 Why the fuck do people think they can fool anyone with this crap? Seriously. Just keep the shit to yourself or better yet, why not leave the religion Afro? Let your mind grow a little bit? The life of a kafir isn't so bad. Promise.

    *mini rant over*

    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #13 - December 10, 2009, 07:49 AM


    I don't know about mutaa, but I know in misyar, the same thing above applies.  There are a lot of women in America who don't know their husbands have had multiple misyar wives that they take when traveling and stuff like that.  If I was married to a daiyee, shaykh or pop nasheed singer, I would have serious doubts about my husband's fidelity.  


    From personal experience (mutah) I know that you don't need to tell your temporary wife that you are getting another temporary wife. I know this because I was looking for a way to cheat on a girl I was seeing. And there was!! And this is what happens when you give humans (in the case as in most cases with Islam, men) free reins to do as they please without feeling guilty, neither over their faith, with god or with their wife.

    But if she sees somebody else while you are with her, you need to do the whole temporary marriage thing again.

    Incidentally, I had the intention of cheating with this girl (in mutah), we weren?t really together, I never did cheat though (not because I didn?t want to, it just fell through). She even asked me if I had been with another girl, and I said no. Months later I found out she had cheated on me, again cheating is a harsh word since we hadn?t fully agreed on the specifics of our relationship, exclusivity to each other being the key term though and with that I would say she did in fact cheat on me. She also had the intention of cheating at a separate time but the guy fell asleep lol I heard all of this from the guy himself, we?re friends.

    I didn?t feel bad or angry or anything when I heard, her opinion was that we were more friends with benefits but still felt cheated (later on during the relationship I felt she was more of a gf).

    Any case, important lesson learned, don?t fucking cheat, it hurts (even at this level where we weren?t fully together). I know it sounds like I?m apologizing, and I am, its shameful I know, it?s also shameful that this is a religion for all of mankind for all of eternity, and can be perpetrated on our mothers, sisters, wives, daughters, cousins, nieces, aunties, grandmothers, basically all women dear to us. I know that if this happened to my mom I would be sickned and hurt, and if action can be excused according to this religion (which seems likely) then it?s not a fair religion, not a just one, not a fair god, not a just one, and obviously a religion founded by men, for men.
     
    You know.. it would have been so much more ethically honest, if we had said we are friends with benefits, end of story, we can see others, or friends with benefits but exclusive (which is what we agreed upon, but she cheated, and I had the intention of cheating) or saying no we are a couple, we don?t see others. Basically you choose how you want the relationship to be, and if somebody fucks up then it?s on them, they are in the wrong, and its up to you whether to forgive or not.


    EDIT
    OK re-reading my post I come across as I don't know somebody in denial, point in case, she did cheat on me, i feel bad about saying it because i had the intention of cheating, so how does that make me better? And the second point, my friend, he didn't know i was seeing her, we weren't even friends when it happened, and he asked me if i was angry and i said no. god this is like a therapy session   Cheesy
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #14 - December 11, 2009, 04:03 AM

    You have been hurt, it sucks.  I know.  The whole world knows how horrible it is to love someone and have them be involved with someone else.  There is no greater pain, other than losing a child, that hits the heart like an infidelity of your loved.  It is universal, the fear, the pain, the devastation of having your love, love someone else. 
    Now, imagine a world where your god, you supposed creator who claims to know what is best for you and all that is in your heart dismiss your pain and tell you that it is ok for your love to take 3 other loves.  You are told that it is his right as long as he treats them as your equal.  You can't take a lover, but before you can go to heaven you have to be ok with your love taking up to 3 other loves at their wanting.  You were devastated when she found  another, imagine what it would do to you to think your own creator gives your love permission to take up to 3 others besides you and then tells you it is good for you.  You know the emotional devastation.  There are a lot of reasons to hate islam, but for me, the fact that mohammed claims that allah decrees it is ok to marry more than one wife, claims that allah knows what is best for us and still subjects women to this emotional devastation proves to me, this allah thing, is not my creator.  moahmmed wanted to get laid by any women he could.  If woman are too emotional, does it make any sense to put them through the trauma of another love?

    You've bored me with your wisdom thus far, keep going, no one has died of bordom have they?
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #15 - December 11, 2009, 04:30 AM

    Also what kind of god threatens women with divorce for being angry and upset that their husband, whom they have to share anyway, wants to fuck a coptic slave girl whose family he killed?

    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #16 - December 11, 2009, 06:28 AM

    Also what kind of god threatens women with divorce for being angry and upset that their husband, whom they have to share anyway, wants to fuck a coptic slave girl whose family he killed?


    The type of god who is actually the imaginary friend of the same dude who fucked that coptic slave girl.

    Mo, mo, mo.. tsk tsk.  Kiss

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #17 - December 11, 2009, 07:14 AM

    Completely unrelated, but don't you love God's arrogance?

    051.056
    YUSUFALI: I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.

    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #18 - December 11, 2009, 07:22 AM

    I don't think Allah was loved by his parents when he was a kid.  Cheesy

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #19 - December 11, 2009, 07:30 AM

     Cheesy Afro  See, that's the problem with being the original source. They feel unloved and develop serious issues.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #20 - December 11, 2009, 07:48 AM

    I don't think Allah was loved by his parents when he was a kid.  Cheesy


    Actually Kaf, I think his parents spoiled him fucking rotten. Thats why hes so damn arrogant and thinks that the world was created for him.

    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #21 - December 11, 2009, 07:50 AM

    But he didn't have any parents. He's a po' li'l orphan.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #22 - December 11, 2009, 07:56 AM

    What about this:

    When you die as a muslim and you have missed prayers. Even if you were sick and died from this sickness God still wants your prayers. Since you can't pray the oldest son has to pray them, not the oldest daughter (for some reason, maybe her prayers are not good enough). If he can't pray them, then he can pay other people to pray them. What are your thoughts on this? Are we indebted to Allah? We need to pray our prayers or we roast in hell? Sounds like Tony Soprano in God form. Is God not the most merciful? The Most Exalted? He doesn't need us or our prayers or praises yet he demands all prayers for everyday of your life. He can't forgive us? My dad dies, and I have to worry about his prayers? I already have enough shit to deal with. What about if somebody's father doesn't pray? What if the son doesn't do it? Who get's punished? The son? The Father? The Holy Spirit?
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife
     Reply #23 - December 11, 2009, 07:57 AM

    wow, the quran makes no sense. just read sura 51. what crap. I really gotta read this whoel thing some time.

    51:53 And Lo we told them that verily in our warning they were to know blah fucking blah. Forsooth they shall taste the fire of jannah for not being able to decipher the ramblings of a schizo warlord of death...

    78:20 Remember thy lord, he who hath made your abode an expanse (miracle alert) forsooth they did not believe.

    45:26 Drone on about the Pharoah. blah blaah blah He did not believe. they all said a mad man or a magician!! forsooth forsooth, they shall burn

    78:33 Houris all around for our believers though we denied you them on earth. big-titted houris--and thats not even mocking the damn thing.

    why do people read this again? seriously

    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #24 - December 11, 2009, 08:01 AM

    What about this:

    When you die as a muslim and you have missed prayers. Even if you were sick and died from this sickness God still wants your prayers. Since you can't pray the oldest son has to pray them, not the oldest daughter (for some reason, maybe her prayers are not good enough). If he can't pray them, then he can pay other people to pray them.


    Do you have a source for that? I've never heard that about salah, only that a child can perform hajj on behalf of a deceased parent. 

    Do you know that in Islam, a woman must pray salah in labor and the prayer is obligatory on her until the moment the child crowns?  Even though labor can be excruciatingly painful and messy?  I have actually heard people bully and make women feel bad about this - usually people who didn't go through it themselves - unmarried ustazas and MEN. 

    [this space for rent]
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife
     Reply #25 - December 11, 2009, 08:01 AM


    Wel
    What about this:

    When you die as a muslim and you have missed prayers. Even if you were sick and died from this sickness God still wants your prayers. Since you can't pray the oldest son has to pray them, not the oldest daughter (for some reason, maybe her prayers are not good enough). If he can't pray them, then he can pay other people to pray them. What are your thoughts on this? Are we indebted to Allah? We need to pray our prayers or we roast in hell? Sounds like Tony Soprano in God form. Is God not the most merciful? The Most Exalted? He doesn't need us or our prayers or praises yet he demands all prayers for everyday of your life. He can't forgive us? My dad dies, and I have to worry about his prayers? I already have enough shit to deal with. What about if somebody's father doesn't pray? What if the son doesn't do it? Who get's punished? The son? The Father? The Holy Spirit?


    allah's got quite the shopping list of psychological/personality disorders, doesn't he?

    Neurotically needy yet says he doesnt need/want our prayers  Roll Eyes
    Gets off on being a sadist
    Arrogant-as-fuck

    Anyone wanna add?

    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #26 - December 11, 2009, 08:04 AM

    Do you have a source for that? I've never heard that about salah, only that a child can perform hajj on behalf of a deceased parent. 

    Do you know that in Islam, a woman must pray salah in labor and the prayer is obligatory on her until the moment the child crowns?  Even though labor can be excruciatingly painful and messy?  I have actually heard people bully and make women feel bad about this - usually people who didn't go through it themselves - unmarried ustazas and MEN. 


    well, of course, while you're pushing an entire human being out of your body, why wouldn't you be praising Allah? Childbirth and the excruciating pain are a gift from god to uplift women, are they not? Thank god for epidurals  Roll Eyes.

    "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi."-- Woody Allen
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #27 - December 11, 2009, 01:44 PM

    Do you have a source for that? I've never heard that about salah, only that a child can perform hajj on behalf of a deceased parent. 

    Do you know that in Islam, a woman must pray salah in labor and the prayer is obligatory on her until the moment the child crowns?  Even though labor can be excruciatingly painful and messy?  I have actually heard people bully and make women feel bad about this - usually people who didn't go through it themselves - unmarried ustazas and MEN. 


    I knew that you have to pray under all circumstances but I have never thought about labour before! How the fuck is that possible?!

    If you don't mind me asking, did you ever try to pray while in labour?

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #28 - December 11, 2009, 02:01 PM

    Sorry Manat can you provide with some sources regarding labour? Seems crazy :S

    A pregnant woman does not need to fast right? But has to fast those on another day. Does it say if she can sit? Or does she have to pray standing :S Not sure if that would have been in the text itself, probably tied into if it's too difficult for you to pray standing then you may sit. But still there is 5 prayers, and a lot of standing up and then sitting down only for those prostration parts and the kneeling part of prayer.

    Actually I can?t even imagine what that is like. Do you know anybody that prayed while pregnant? 
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #29 - December 23, 2009, 10:52 PM

    Question number 1 and 2 are both answered with "NO".

    The problem is that many Muslim know so little about what really is contained in the Quran and Sunnah and tend to pass on their ignorance as fact.

    One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying. (Joan of Arc)
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