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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #30 - December 25, 2009, 10:09 PM
    I would gladly reference MEMRI TV even for a phd thesis. They have proven themselves to be a very credible media watchdog group.  Smiley
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #31 - December 25, 2009, 10:17 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on December 25, 2009, 10:07 PM
    Not really, it depends in what context you are doing it.


    Context is to reinforce your prejudice.


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    Even having said that I am pretty sure, for all intents and purposes the translation is stll pretty accurate. 


    Lol you don't even speak the language. So yes it must very accurate ;-) or do you speak the language?
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #32 - December 25, 2009, 10:17 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on December 25, 2009, 10:09 PM
    I would gladly reference MEMRI TV even for a phd thesis. They have proven themselves to be a very credible media watchdog group.  Smiley


    Like Arabic version of Al-Jazeera ;-)
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #33 - December 25, 2009, 10:20 PM
    Hey, instead of vaguely questioning Memri, if you want to provide a proper translation of the OP video, then please do. I could careless of MEMRI staff kills palestnian babies for food! FFS!  finmad
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #34 - December 25, 2009, 10:22 PM
    I used to admire Zandani (when I was a Muslim of course) until he pulled the "I have a cure for AIDS I got from a hadith but I will not give it to you unless..." crap.
    AKA this video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeFr5t19aQs

    He also pulled something about a team of geologists who accidentally discovered "human's screams from torture underground" and gave an Islamic explanation for it. I was a hardcore Muslim that time and when I heard what is supposed to be human voices, I was like who the fuck is that guy supposed to convince.
    Here's a part of the lecture in which he presents the recorded "human voices", it starts at 1:30.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxp1iQTgH3E


    Oh regarding MEMRI is not credible argument, well, MEMRI is a Zionist propaganda. But that doesn't make the videos any less credible. In fact, their translations are top notch.

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #35 - December 25, 2009, 10:24 PM
    Quote from: Infidel on December 25, 2009, 10:22 PM
    Oh regarding MEMRI is not credible argument, well, MEMRI is a Zionist propaganda. But that doesn't make the videos any less credible. In fact, their translations are top notch.


    Finally, some sense! And Infidel is an arab speaker too so he can vouch for the translations.

    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #36 - December 25, 2009, 10:24 PM
    Quote from: Rubaiyat on December 25, 2009, 09:08 PM
    Erm...I do....so do many others.

    You wouldn't use Nazi video to reinforce your prejudice would you? or would you?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #37 - December 25, 2009, 10:27 PM
    I love you osmanthus. I want to make babies with your gf/wife.
  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #38 - December 25, 2009, 10:28 PM
    Quote from: Infidel on December 25, 2009, 10:22 PM
    I used to admire Zandani (when I was a Muslim of course) until he pulled the "I have a cure for AIDS I got from a hadith but I will not give it to you unless..." crap.
    AKA this video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeFr5t19aQs

    He also pulled something about a team of geologists who accidentally discovered "human's screams from torture underground" and gave an Islamic explanation for it. I was a hardcore Muslim that time and when I heard what is supposed to be human voices, I was like who the fuck is that guy supposed to convince.
    Here's a part of the lecture in which he presents the recorded "human voices", it starts at 1:30.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxp1iQTgH3E


    Oh regarding MEMRI is not credible argument, well, MEMRI is a Zionist propaganda. But that doesn't make the videos any less credible. In fact, their translations are top notch.




    lol cheers.

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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #39 - December 25, 2009, 10:30 PM
     Huh?

    You keep avoiding my request Rubaiyat, either prove the translation is wrong or gtfo!!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #40 - December 25, 2009, 10:32 PM
    Rubaiyat, you have forgotten to bold the really relevant portion of the quote:

    Quote
    ...that doesn't make the videos any less credible. In fact, their translations are top notch.

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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #41 - December 25, 2009, 10:35 PM
    osmanthus I haven't.

    I just highlighted the right bit for the point I am making.

    I think you miss the irony of it.
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #42 - December 25, 2009, 10:36 PM
    And the quality of the translations is the only thing that matters. It's totally irrelevent if MEMRI are jews who drink the blood of musulmans for passover - it doesn't change the accuracy of their tranlations.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #43 - December 25, 2009, 10:37 PM
    Quote from: Rubaiyat on December 25, 2009, 10:17 PM
    Context is to reinforce your prejudice.

    No it wasnt, you could argue that was the result, but certainly not he intention - obviously I cant speak on his behalf,  perhaps its more relevent to address this point to the poster to get the answer?
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    Lol you don't even speak the language. So yes it must very accurate ;-) or do you speak the language?

    No, if you watch the video there are no outlandish claims made from a Muslim perspective, so I am happy to use my intuition and take it at its face value, particularly like I say that its unimportant in any case.

    Now if you think my intuition is wrong your was right then lets prove it, lets have a neutral arabic speaker translate it.  Do you accept this challenge (NB: neither of us knows the results, so you may be actually right and my intution is wrong)
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #44 - December 25, 2009, 10:37 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on December 25, 2009, 10:30 PM
    Huh?

    You keep avoiding my request Rubaiyat, either prove the translation is wrong or gtfo!!


    There is no need for expletives.

    The contention is not the translation it is the source of the material.

    Since you are happy with the source. End of argument.



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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #45 - December 25, 2009, 10:39 PM
    @Kafirist
    ROTFL, this is why you got the JOFTM.
  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #46 - December 25, 2009, 10:42 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on December 25, 2009, 10:37 PM
    No it wasnt, you could argue that was the result, but certainly not he intention


    Well I am not mind reader to read the intention.

    Quote
    Now if you think my intuition is wrong your was right then lets prove it, lets have a neutral arabic speaker translate it.  Do you accept this challenge (NB: neither of us knows the results, so you may be actually right and my intution is wrong)


    There is no challenge. You said you know the translation is accurate. And you don't even speak the language.

    Come on Islame...we shouldn't be peddling any forum of propaganda from anyone. We left Islam because we decided to think for ourselves and not let others do our thinking.



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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #47 - December 25, 2009, 10:45 PM
    Quote from: Rubaiyat on December 25, 2009, 10:37 PM
    There is no need for expletives.

    The contention is not the translation it is the source of the material.

    Since you are happy with the source. End of argument.



    Look Rubaiyat, I like you and most of your posts. But ur t0tally tr011ing my thr3ad n!gg@!!!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #48 - December 25, 2009, 10:45 PM
    Rubaiyat

    Would you disregard the scientific and technological breakthroughs made by Nazi Germany? Simply because it was made/found in Nazi Germany? I'm not talking about some crazy Nazi experiment, but actual Science, that is either still used today or helped push Science forward.

    EDIT
    What if you were a scientist? Would you disregard the material (scientific research and data) because of the source? Again, we're talking real science here, and accurate science.
  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #49 - December 25, 2009, 10:47 PM
    Quote from: Rubaiyat on December 25, 2009, 10:35 PM
    osmanthus I haven't.

    I just highlighted the right bit for the point I am making.

    I think you miss the irony of it.

    I am well aware that you hadn't really forgotten. I was using the word in the euphemistic sense. I also do not miss what you consider the irony. However, you appear to be missing the point that is really relevant: is the translation accurate or not?


    Quote from: Rubaiyat on December 25, 2009, 10:37 PM
    There is no need for expletives.

    The contention is not the translation it is the source of the material.

    Since you are happy with the source. End of argument.

    This is not the only point of contention. You are attempting to ignore everyone else's point and acting as if your preferred point du jour was the only one allowed in the thread. It doesn't work like that. If you say "MEMRI is Israeli propaganda but hey, their translations are usually spot on" then what that means is that regardless of how you happen to feel about MEMRI they are usually a reliable source as far as reporting the content from Arabic TV.
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #50 - December 25, 2009, 10:54 PM
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    This is not the only point of contention.


    This is the one I am making.


    It's propaganda. But it's accurate.
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #51 - December 25, 2009, 10:55 PM
    So after 4 pages of argument over nothing, can we go back to laughing at this mullah? Pretty please??  Cry Kiss
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #52 - December 25, 2009, 10:56 PM
    Quote from: Rubaiyat on December 25, 2009, 10:42 PM
    Well I am not mind reader to read the intention.

    You made the claim that the purpose of the video was to furher our own prejudice?  In that case retract it, or explain

    Quote
    You said you know the translation is accurate.

     
    I dont like it when people lie in order to make a point

    I said this :

    Quote from: IsLame on December 25, 2009, 10:07 PM
    Not really, it depends in what context you are doing it.  I dont think he was making any serious political statements by sticking it up, I assume it was a lighthearted post on a forum,  not a journal for a PhD doctorate.  Even having said that I am pretty sure, for all intents and purposes the translation is stll pretty accurate.  Shall we get an arabic speaker on this forum to confirm?


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    Come on Islame...we shouldn't be peddling any forum of propaganda from anyone. We left Islam because we decided to think for ourselves and not let others do our thinking.

    I was not 'thinking', or coming to any hard found conclusions after watching it - I was just having enjoying it (before you turned up) and having a laugh at this Sheikhs expense.  If you still believe it was a mistranslation, even after seeing other videos of him, then lets take your claim forward to prove it.  

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    There is no challenge.


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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #53 - December 25, 2009, 10:56 PM
    Wait, accurate propaganda? Surely that's an oxymoron.
  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #54 - December 25, 2009, 11:03 PM
    Quote from: Rubaiyat on December 25, 2009, 10:54 PM
    This is the one I am making.


    It's propaganda. But it's accurate.

    So what you are effectively saying is that you regard MEMRI as a reliable source. After all, if they are accurate then that means their presentations are reliable.
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #55 - December 25, 2009, 11:09 PM
     Cheesy
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #56 - December 25, 2009, 11:12 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 25, 2009, 10:56 PM
    Wait, accurate propaganda? Surely that's an oxymoron.


    Accurate Propaganda:



    (lol look at dawkins hand and his face)
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #57 - December 26, 2009, 02:37 AM
    Quote from: Rubaiyat on December 25, 2009, 09:06 PM
    So why use a source you know nothing about?

    Is it because it reinforces your prejudice?


    Being Likkudniks doesn't affect the accuracy of their translations.  I've watched a lot of their videos, and even as a Muslim, I could not dispute the fact that they translation they provide at the bottom of the screen matches the shit that comes streaming out of these guys' mouths. 
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #58 - December 26, 2009, 02:41 AM
    Quote from: Rubaiyat on December 25, 2009, 10:02 PM
    If you use a source you know nothing of. And it's in a language you don't speak. But you still use it...then yes. It's reinforcing your own prejudice.


    As a good Muslim, back in the day, I learned all about MEMRI so that I could use the political background of the founders to distract others from the material that was being presented.  You know, since I could not deny that these were Muslims saying all of this shit, and discuss it in an honest way, since I had to show walaa wa baraa to those motherfuckers and "defend the ummah" by hiding my brothers' faults. 
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  • Re: Muslimeen lays the smack down on Darwin
     Reply #59 - December 26, 2009, 02:45 AM
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    walaa wa baraa


    What does this mean? And what dialect is it in? ولا وبراء?
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