Re: Men's right to abortions
Reply #60 - December 29, 2009, 10:51 PM
My thoughts on this.
Women have the right to choose whether or not to do an abortion. I can't say I know the physical risks of abortion, no matter how it's performed. Nor can I say what the psychological risk is, I think in both cases this requires an individual risk assessment, the latter being even more difficult to "assess".
Personally, you don't want the risk, don't trust the girl, don't want to be tied to her for the rest of you life don't fuck her. Causal sex has pros and cons, just like everything else. Besides even with a condom, I'd still pull out. Condom do not prevent pregnancy 100%, close enough sure. But the condom can burst, it could have been shipped defunct, the sperm can drip out while being inside her. I know, there is a minor chance of pregnancy due to these reasons, but the risks are nevertheless there. Pull out. Even with a condom. Too much work? Don't fuck the girl you don't want to end up with.
For the man that now ends up impregnating a girl and thus ending up with an unwanted pregnancy, he will most likely not want to pay child support. This is where it gets a bit complicated. I can't speak on behalf of all men, I think some rules might to be drawn out. Since he has no choice in abortion, does he have a right not to pay for child-support? If he made sure he took the necessary precaution to prevent a pregnancy can he state this to the court? Does he have the right for an emotional abolition? Ie being an unidentified father?
Sure, there are major moral implications of this. The kid did not ask to be born, and the mother might be poor. Result; another poor kid growing up in the world. Kid will want to know who daddy is, if mother can't say, kid will most likely blame mom and the system, might go as far as thinking that the mother was a cheap whore. Or might think his/her mom was raped and she is too ashamed to admit it. In any case there will be psychological/emotional trauma.
You don't like this as the biological father? Don't fuck around. Like the girl? But not enough to be around and support her? Leave.
Some fathers might not give two squirts of piss about this, and go "moral relativism". But, this can create a situation where this type of man has casual sex left and right, and impregnates women left and right. Kids growing up with no dad, and in other cases poor. Sure, one can claim the mother wanted this child and she has to accept the responsibility that comes with. But I have an uneasy feeling that we let these types of men off too easy. It's far too easy for him to ejaculate some sperm, pull up his pants and walk away. Not saying all men are like this, most probably aren't, this is most likely a minority. But compare his experience in the matter to a woman's, with the physical pains of pregnancy, and the physical emotional risk of aborting it. But again one can say, this was the woman's choice.
What about men that want the child to be born? But the mother wants an abortion? Can then the man say, I will pay for her pregnancy and take care of the kid? The mother signs documents that she has legally "emotionally" aborted the child? This would mean she has to be pregnant for 9 months. Biological trump card. Sorry, I don't even know what it's like to be pregnant, the closest I get is 9 months of balls-pain. So I say no, woman get to choose, 5 seconds of pain in the treasure chest is too much for me.
What happens in both of these cases, with "emotional abortion", what if the mother or the father has a change of heart and decides to pay a visit 15 years later, and have not been there financially nor emotionally. Should they be fined, possibly jailed for breaking this law (if made into a law) several times, for breaching their contract?
What about in cases where the unborn child will be born with physical/mental disabilities? I think personally, as parents, one has the right to choose if they want an abortion in this case. But with casual sex, what partner can choose this? But what if the man doesn't want to? He doesn't think it morally right, to let a child with disabilities, short life span and no chance of recovery be born into this world. What then?
In the end, biological rights win. End of story. The only solution I can see is not fucking around. If you want to fuck around, do a vasectomy, wear a condom, and pull out. It might sound crazy but hey it's either that or not giving a fuck about morals, emotions or the law. The only case where I get a bit wary is if the child will be born with disabilities. I stand by that I don't give a fuck. Only parents that have children born with disabilities know what's it like to raise them, and even then you should respect that couple's individual rights.
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