His opinion should matter, so again, the trust thing comes into play here. Not the law. How does him getting a woman to get an abortion promote equality. All this would do is divide people. Its a difficult situation when a man and woman dont want a baby.
I agree that trust comes into play here. But i've seen some women change, when they find out they're pregnant, all the previous talks about needing to stay independent and free, the man's career, etc go out of the window and they decide to keep the baby. Al talking falls on deaf ears. In this case the man should have a law defending his rights. Plus it will protect against some women who trick men into fatherhood.
You're advocating him having more rights than her and aborting the baby.
Keep in mind that the woman also has more rights than the man in the case that she doesnt want the baby but the man wants it, in that case she can go ahead and abort the baby. I'm talking about equality in both cases here. How come the woman gets to decide both when to keep and when the abort the child and the man's opinion is not worth anything in either case? I'm saying either of the parents can choose to abort the child and that should be enough.
can you envision a situation where a man goes "Honey, I know you dont want this baby, but thats too bad, I do, so were having it or "Honey, you can cry all you want to about aborting this baby, but it's my right to, so youre having an abortion tuts". NO fuckin man who loves his gf/ wife would say this to her face.
I'm fully against the first scenario of the man saying we're having the baby and purely because the woman has to go through a 9 month pregnancy and more dangerous childbirth procedure, but in the 2nd case the man has the right to say what he said. He has as much right to not be forced into parenthood as the woman does, and the fetus comes from both of them. But of course, no one is really going to say it that bluntly, if i was in that situation i would definitely be there to support the girl and help her through it.
The genocide thing u brought up. its wring becasue you have no right to kill people. Its wrong cuz murder's wrong, not becaue killing on a mass scale is wrong. Being emotionally dsitraugt is not having ur rights violated.
Forced parenthood is right? A lifetime of turmoil, stress, and guilt forced on a man is right? Oh yea, men don't mean anything do they? they're just good for helping raise our kids and they can go fucking die, who cares.
AGAIN, if it aint true in MOST cases then you cannot make a general rule about them. YOU don't make a law to apply to all people based on how it would affect a minority.Never run for a political position. Seriously.
Gay people are also a minority but they have rights. SHould we not have rights for them? there is a right to kill yourself for people who cannot be saved. They're clearly a minority. There are a lot of laws that protect the laws of minorities, and the law against forced fatherhood should be one of them.
Forcing anything on someone against his/her will is a violation of her rights, whether it be fatherhood, motherhood, forced labor, etc. Anything forced on someone individually is a violation of their rights.
Whyd ont u understand that whether abortion is right or not has nothing to do with its consequences. its the act itself. Whether it's better or worse than birth is not about pain.
If you talk about men not having the right to abort on a purely physical basis on whether or not the woman has the fetus in her body, then yes, it is about pain and the physical risks of abortion vs pregnancy. Morally, psychologically, etc they have equal rights.
AND btw, birth isant always painfull. Ttheres these things calles epidurals. and birth can be as little as an hour. Abortion can make you infertile. is abortion more wrong in this case? can you make a general rule based on this?
I'm talking about majorities here. The majority of the time pregnancy carries more risks than abortions. But by all means add some clauses to the law so each case is examined individually and if the woman is more at risk during an abortion than pregnancy then leave the decision to her. I don't have anything against that. But where abortion is medically safe and carries less risks, the man should have the right as much as the woman does.
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