I "choose" to wear the "compulsary" veil

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I "choose" to wear the "compulsary" veil
OP - January 25, 2010, 11:56 PM

If a Muslim woman says that she "chooses" to wear the veil, and it his her own choice, and that she's not oppressed etc... but at the same time she also says that she wears it because wearing the veil is compulsary for women in Islam...

... then is there a contradiction here?

Can you choose to do something which you believe is compulsary?

For example, we all know that praying 5 times a day is compulsary in Islam. Can a pious, God fearing Muslim really say that they "choose" to pray 5 times a day?

Discuss.

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Reply #1 - January 25, 2010, 11:59 PM

Yes they can 'choose' to do things that are compulsary. Because the choice lies in it not being a social or legal requirement. A woman cannot say that she "chooses" to wear hijab in Iran or Saudi Arabia. But it makes sense to say that in Canada.

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Reply #2 - January 26, 2010, 12:04 AM

On the day of judgement, can she say to God that she she chose to wear the veil?

Surely God would turn around and say... "It wasn't a choice, it was an order!"

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Reply #3 - January 26, 2010, 12:06 AM

Well orders and commandments are followed or obeyed. So the choice is there. Like Iblis, he chose not to prostrate before adam cos he was a fucking badass made of fire n shit. Choice.

Of course its all irellevant really since Allah has preordained everything. So there is no choice in the Islamic view.. at all.

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Reply #4 - January 26, 2010, 05:31 AM

If you have to do something, you dont have a choice in the matter. Nobody can glue a damn hijab to your head obviously but something cant be an option and a duty at the same time. Whether or not you want to do the mandatory thing does not make a difference.

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Reply #5 - January 28, 2010, 05:03 PM

I think some scholars are divided on the subject, so yeah it could be a choice if she chose to wear it to be a 'more pious' person or whatever. But if she said it was compulsory and then that she chose it, that's debatable.

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Reply #6 - January 28, 2010, 06:22 PM

Let's not miss the point that the woman in the hijab is trying to make when she says that she chooses to wear it. The reason the statement carries such importance (hence why we hear it uttered again and again) is because it goes against the popular conception that the Muslim woman has no freedom. Therefore, the statement is supposed to be a general declaration of freedom. The Muslim woman does have a choice and the political/legal freedom to wear the hijab. However, the Muslim woman is under considerable pressure of the illusory prospect of an afterlife in hell. Can we really say she is free? Indeed this applies not just to this particular command to wear the hijab but all of Allah's commands.

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