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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #90 - February 18, 2010, 05:50 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 18, 2010, 05:30 PM
    SkyN...

    Oh forget it, I can't be bothered!


    Thats your wish  but I seriously dont think that not opposing islam is a good idea.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #91 - February 18, 2010, 05:50 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on February 18, 2010, 05:46 PM
    Not nice at all. I truly didn't expect that from you; not that I have any rights to object.

    Of course you have a right to object
    Quote
    Do you have anything other than "my father/brother/uncle/friend is not an ignoramus and chauvinistic"?

    No
    Quote
    I fail to see anything wrong with that statement.

    Its bigotted  Huh?
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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #92 - February 18, 2010, 05:51 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 18, 2010, 04:01 PM
    Yes, but it's still possible - I once heard an interview with Ali aired on a right-wing Neocon/Christian fundie radio station and he sounded like a Persian.

    But of course it's possible that was a fake and he is a composite and concoction of some Neocon who wanted to kick-start an Ex-Muslim movement. But having had many interactions with him going back BEFORE FFI I would say he is exactly who he says he is - he's just a bit of a nutter that's all lol


    Aren't we all a bit of nutters? Cheesy
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #93 - February 18, 2010, 05:52 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 18, 2010, 04:04 PM
    LOL, That'd be funny if he was some sock puppet character of the neocons. But I guess we're descending into a bit of conspiracy theorizing ourselves. Reality is the simple answer is probably the correct one here. He might just be a really really nutty iranian. A victim of Islam, now the mental damage and PTSD Islam is inflicted on Ali Sina is complete.  Cry


    He is an intellectual giant; engage him in a discussion and you will see. If he is suffering from a mental damage, I wonder what he would be if he were not.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #94 - February 18, 2010, 05:53 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on February 18, 2010, 03:21 PM
    Yes, we as humans have tremendous capacities for imagination & interpretation & can do many wonderful things even if we come from the most backward & misogynistic cultures(& vice versa), but our religions & clutures do shape us to great extents, for better or for worse. Many of the crimes people commit, the inequalities & prejudices they exhibit towards women, towards homosexuals, etc are things which they'd certainly not do had they been born in other cultures & religions. Also, the work ethic, the rational mindset, the interest in science & technology v. bombs & virgins etc are greatly shaped by our cultures.

    Islam's ignorance & chauvinism does get translated very often into Muslims' misogyny & chauvinism. Placed in different environments, the ignorant & chauvinistic Muslims would often have been very different people. As a socio cultural indicator, Islam creates significantly more negatives than positives, which comes across in Muslim attiudes as well.


    I agree one hundred percent.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #95 - February 18, 2010, 05:54 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 18, 2010, 04:05 PM
    I don't think it's crazy.

    Osama.

    Obama

    One letter is the difference. You think that's coincidence? Fuck no!

    Ask yourself what does this B stand for?

    Barack (muslim name? check) Hussein (muslim name? duh!!) ob(s)ama.

    You guessed it! The word all muslims think of when they are traveling. Bomb!

    There I have just proven this theory is not crazy. Now I just need to find the hidden transmission from invading reptile aliens in this week's TV Guide.


    Cheesy You ARE funny.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #96 - February 18, 2010, 05:55 PM
    @ Charles

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    FFI has always had its share of Christian missionaries, but I haven't seen any of them succeeding in converting anyone to Christianity. There have always been people like Sten and myself who have effectively put spanners in their works. The Christians (like MBL) who could have lured people into their fold have never shown any inclination to do so.


    I'm not sure what you're trying to say but MBL is NOT a missionary.... heck, he's not even a proper Christian  Wink...

    I was referring to people like Marie, Wootah, thereis1Adonai, Sparky and the rest of stupid, hypocritical Christian missionaries...

    That being said, there are Christians over FFI who are not missionary at all, like Chief, diotima, planck, etc.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #97 - February 18, 2010, 05:56 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on February 18, 2010, 04:09 PM
    Zaephon was a genuine Israel supporter, he was a genuine ex Muslim & he is anything but right wing, & certainly no racist.

    A website like FFI, or for that matter plenty of very popular websites dealing with Islam draw its members, certainly not from any neo con right wings, but from a very broad base consisting of many nations, races, political orientations & religions-pretty much everywhere Islam has touched, people disliking Islam have arisen. A fair perusal of any such websites show people from many nations, who're all concerned with Islamic extremism. I can't imagine a forum critical of any other world religion being so popular with so many diverse people.

    Perhaps people-including ex Muslims need to ask themselves what is it about Islam which raises the ire of so many people who come in contact with it. They'd sense then the fears & skepticism about Islam are very real, very much something to be concerned about.

    No matter what one's political orientation, no one likes being bombed to death or being an amputee confined to a wheelchair due to a jihadi terrorist attack. Most supporters of gender equality would find a niqab or genital mutilation offensive, even many left wingers would find Islamic prejudices against gays, pre marital sex etc offensive.

    Non Muslims of diverse views are just as worried about their sons & daughters being killed or maimed in an Islamist attack in London, on a tour of Bali, or in their schools in Beslan.

    Can you in all honesty blame them for their "irrational" fears given that plenty of such attacks have happened, & many more are foiled on an almost daily basis?



    And they say that you are ridiculed here?

    Utterly ridiculous.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #98 - February 18, 2010, 06:01 PM
    OK - cool.   We'll have a hostage trade-off.  You send us Khalil F'real, and we'll send you Rashna.
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  • Re: Poster of the month!
     Reply #99 - February 18, 2010, 06:06 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 16, 2010, 07:33 PM
    Just spotted this - remember its your forum too, youre a member, you can start threads on any topic, write about anything and just as equal as anyone else here..  


    Well I really would have no problem writing here if people really are against islam here because I write on the forums with the purpose of destruction of islam but seeing too much PCISM here discourages people. One of the reasons I like FFI is the freedom of speech that it offers.Even my own country wont grant me that level of freedom of speech.On sites like rediff and some other sites you would be kicked out once you write anything against islam. I also believe that opposing christian missionaries completely is not a good thing. Even the christian missionaries can make valid point.Sites like answering islam are very informational and they present accurate analysis of islam so its upto us to pick the good things in them and reject the rest. I think you already agree with this. I remember reading your post somewhere.If you have problem with christian missionaries trying to use this forum for their own twisted agendas , mods can always take care of them but if they make valid points against islam then they should be granted the freedom of speech. This forum lacks in that aspect.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #100 - February 18, 2010, 06:07 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 18, 2010, 05:38 PM
    But I'm quite sure you have principles you would stick by, Charles? A limit to what you would condone to achieve your goals?

    I mean you wouldn't agree to rounding up Muslims and placing them in "Re-Education" Camps and making the Sheikhs and Imams "disappear" - for example (as one FFI member said.)


    Surely that member had his own view and not everyone there agreed with that. People do get carried away sometimes just you got carried away in the post about Zaephoon Rashna pointed out. I was surprised to read those words from you. You are too nice for that.

    Like I said, FFI allows freedom in a degree which is rare to find in other forums.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #101 - February 18, 2010, 06:10 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on February 18, 2010, 06:06 PM
    but if they make valid points against islam then they should be granted the freedom of speech. This forum lacks in that aspect.


    Prove it.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #102 - February 18, 2010, 06:12 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 18, 2010, 05:49 PM
    Me and Rashna have a history. I pretend to be mean to her but I really like her and want to have a nice cup of coffee with her.


    That's a hell of a way to show your liking. The excuse, even if true, did not gel with me. You can ask me to go to hell; I wouldn't mind at all, but I would say my bit.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #103 - February 18, 2010, 06:13 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on February 18, 2010, 06:06 PM
    Well I really would have no problem writing here if people really are against islam here because I write on the forums with the purpose of destruction of islam but seeing too much PCISM here discourages people. One of the reasons I like FFI is the freedom of speech that it offers.Even my own country wont grant me that level of freedom of speech.On sites like rediff and some other sites you would be kicked out once you write anything against islam. I also believe that opposing christian missionaries completely is not a good thing. Even the christian missionaries can make valid point.Sites like answering islam are very informational and they present accurate analysis of islam so its upto us to pick the good things in them and reject the rest. I think you already agree with this. I remember reading your post somewhere.If you have problem with christian missionaries trying to use this forum for their own twisted agendas , mods can always take care of them but if they make valid points against islam then they should be granted the freedom of speech. This forum lacks in that aspect.


    What freedom of speech?  at FFI?    Cheesy Cheesy

    Only if it is about muslims you should I have said.   Roll Eyes

    Try not to say anything about the old UFO's, might get you banned, on that super super freedom of speech forum, FFI.  Cheesy

    That's not freedom of speech, that just freedom for your kind of speech.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #104 - February 18, 2010, 06:14 PM
    @black dog

    ARe you trying to tell me that christian missionaries cannot make valid points against islam?  Do I need to prove this to you?  Just watch Sam Shamoun debate you will get back the proof that you need. Look at this scholarly articles.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #105 - February 18, 2010, 06:14 PM
    @ Charles

    Quote
    Debunker has been seen to run away from serious debates at FFI. Of course he claimed that he did not deign to respond to certain type of people. I think KhaliL was one of them, though I can't remember it for sure; I might be mistaken. He has chosen not to respond to Sten even though he respects him. Please accept that truly objective people probably do not exist; each of us has some kind of vested interest in whatever we say or do.


    Come again? I run from serious debates at FFI? So that's why I respond to posts by MBL the most? There are abysmally stupid posts and posters I usually never grace with a response. And Sten when did I ignore him? I reached a dead-end and left the discussion.

    Some stupid posters, out of respect for their age, I just tell them I'm no match for their brilliance, instead of saying in their face how stupid they are... some bark in my face and I bark back...

    Are you deluded enough to think that I have all the time in the world to respond to every silly post at FFI?
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #106 - February 18, 2010, 06:14 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 18, 2010, 06:01 PM
    OK - cool.   We'll have a hostage trade-off.  You send us Khalil F'real, and we'll send you Rashna.



    Hello, I have a right to stay where I please, unless I'm banned, & I have done nothing to be banned, except to hold views contrary to the majority.

    Those posts of Hass's which I dug out from 2008 show him & his bro trying to purge Zaephon by similar methods.

    Very nasty tactic, I must say. Reflects very poorly on you, not on the person you try to purge.  Roll Eyes

    [quote-charlesmartel]Not that it matter, but that post of yours brings down your respect in my eyes a notch. Could you not find anything worthwhile to say in response to her post? Is this the way she is ridiculed here?[/quote]

    Yes, this is the way, & an extremely nasty way I must say. It brings down my respect of such folks several notches.

    Reading Hassan & his bro's posts to Zaephon in 2008 made me feel the same way about them.

    No wonder Hass is a bit scared of me, for exposing his dirty attitude after these years.  Wink





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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #107 - February 18, 2010, 06:16 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 18, 2010, 05:55 PM
    @ Charles

    I'm not sure what you're trying to say but MBL is NOT a missionary.... heck, he's not even a proper Christian  Wink...

    I was referring to people like Marie, Wootah, thereis1Adonai, Sparky and the rest of stupid, hypocritical Christian missionaries...

    That being said, there are Christians over FFI who are not missionary at all, like Chief, diotima, planck, etc.


    I was just trying to say that MBL is one of the Christians there who have the ability to bring others in to the Christianity's fold, and doesn't bother at all.

    I don't have any love towards the missionaries whoever they are. I was disgusted to see the attempts towards HollowScar.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #108 - February 18, 2010, 06:16 PM
    LOL Rashna. Trust me, lots of people other than Hassan are scared of you.  mysmilie_977
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #109 - February 18, 2010, 06:16 PM
    Well I liked zaephon, try to find a post where I say otherwise?

    He had his fans here.   bunny
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #110 - February 18, 2010, 06:17 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 18, 2010, 06:13 PM
    What freedom of speech?  at FFI?    Cheesy Cheesy

    Only if it is about muslims you should I have said.   Roll Eyes

    Try not to say anything about the old UFO's, might get you banned, on that super super freedom of speech forum, FFI.  Cheesy

    That's not freedom of speech, that just freedom for your kind of speech.


    Did you know that we no longer ban people unless the case is extreme? Sina was indeed crazy when he did this but he doesnt interfere with the forum any longer. He also revised his stance. People are no longer banned for their opinions.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #111 - February 18, 2010, 06:18 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on February 18, 2010, 06:06 PM
    Well I really would have no problem writing here if people really are against islam here because I write on the forums with the purpose of destruction of islam but seeing too much PCISM here discourages people. One of the reasons I like FFI is the freedom of speech that it offers.Even my own country wont grant me that level of freedom of speech.On sites like rediff and some other sites you would be kicked out once you write anything against islam. I also believe that opposing christian missionaries completely is not a good thing. Even the christian missionaries can make valid point.Sites like answering islam are very informational and they present accurate analysis of islam so its upto us to pick the good things in them and reject the rest. I think you already agree with this. I remember reading your post somewhere.If you have problem with christian missionaries trying to use this forum for their own twisted agendas , mods can always take care of them but if they make valid points against islam then they should be granted the freedom of speech. This forum lacks in that aspect.

    Certainly if a Christian missionary joined here they would be allowed to criticise Islam, however with just as much interest I would hound them about the hypocrisy of their views.  Particularly when Islam derives much of its ideology from Christianity & Judaism itself.  Something that surprisingly rarely happens on FFI.

    But who said there is no freedom of speech here? Have you not seen the sex threads here?

    The only difference is that if you say something outrageous, then you will be questioned for it.   Its not a mutual back-rubbing forum, its real freedom of speech.
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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #112 - February 18, 2010, 06:19 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 18, 2010, 06:01 PM
    OK - cool.   We'll have a hostage trade-off.  You send us Khalil F'real, and we'll send you Rashna.


    Cheesy

    Seriously, FFI would be enriched by the presence of Rashna. Though KhaliL is no longer active on forums, I am not sure if he would have liked it much here. He was a favorite of Muslims who directed all their ire especially towards him Cheesy
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #113 - February 18, 2010, 06:20 PM
    Was he that good?

    I mean what points can he make that haven't already been made?
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #114 - February 18, 2010, 06:20 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on February 18, 2010, 06:14 PM
    Hello, I have a right to stay where I please, unless I'm banned, & I have done nothing to be banned, except to hold views contrary to the majority.

    I have one question for you - why dont you like FFI more than COEM?
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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #115 - February 18, 2010, 06:22 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 18, 2010, 06:13 PM
    What freedom of speech?  at FFI?    Cheesy Cheesy

    Only if it is about muslims you should I have said.   Roll Eyes

    Try not to say anything about the old UFO's, might get you banned, on that super super freedom of speech forum, FFI.  Cheesy

    That's not freedom of speech, that just freedom for your kind of speech.


    I don't know much about the old history, but I am sure that you or anyone else can come to FFI these days and say whatever you wish against UFO's Cheesy
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #116 - February 18, 2010, 06:22 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on February 18, 2010, 06:17 PM
    Did you know that we no longer ban people unless the case is extreme? Sina was indeed crazy when he did this but he doesnt interfere with the forum any longer. He also revised his stance. People are no longer banned for their opinions.


    We don't ban people unless it's extreme either, or they are trolling/multi nicking etc.

    We don;t ban people for their opinions, we ban them for personal attacks, for being nasty with those opinions, and even then we give so much leeway, yet here you claim that the speech over there is more free.

    None of you have ever been smited for your opinions, ever, you have simply had to deal with ALOT more people who are critical of what you are saying, whereas over there everyone agress and pats you on the back.  Maybe this is why you feel your opinion is being clamped down on, because you hate being the odd one out.

    However as facts go, there is no difference in the freedom of speech being exercised over there, to the one over here, it's all a matter of perspective.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #117 - February 18, 2010, 06:22 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on February 18, 2010, 06:07 PM
    Surely that member had his own view and not everyone there agreed with that. People do get carried away sometimes just you got carried away in the post about Zaephoon Rashna pointed out. I was surprised to read those words from you. You are too nice for that.

    Like I said, FFI allows freedom in a degree which is rare to find in other forums.


    Thank you for your good thoughts about me - I can say that I regret saying that to Zaephon, but it takes a while to calm down after leaving Islam - and it was a while ago and I'm sure Zaephon himself knows my feelings towards him changed since then which is why I'm a little disappointed Rashna brought it up again.

    Freedom of speech is fine, but there is a line which people should not cross and that is definitely when it incites violence towards others.

    There is no conflict between keeping discussions within certain limits of civility and having good discussions.

    Like I said on my Youtube channel:

    I expect a certain standard of civilised behaviour and respectfully ask all those who comment on my channel to bear this in mind. While I of course defend Free Speech, I do not believe that means I have to provide a platform for every idiot who wants to shout a stream of expletives, abuse, pornographic, disgusting, and hateful comments. If I see comments that overstep that mark they will be deleted.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #118 - February 18, 2010, 06:25 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 18, 2010, 06:20 PM
    Was he that good?

    I mean what points can he make that haven't already been made?


    Please check his articles and you will know. I think he is a better debator than Ali Sina.He does make hell lot of valid points against islam.Also your logic is faulty.Even we (non muslims and non christians)too discuss the same points . Does that mean that we shouldnt be allowed to post on forums? Does that mean we cannot make valid points?  I think Sam shamoun has a share of a lion towards exposing islam.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #119 - February 18, 2010, 06:27 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 18, 2010, 06:14 PM
    @ Charles

    Come again? I run from serious debates at FFI? So that's why I respond to posts by MBL the most? There are abysmally stupid posts and posters I usually never grace with a response. And Sten when did I ignore him? I reached a dead-end and left the discussion. Some stupid posters, out of respect for their age, I just tell them I'm no match for their brilliance, instead of saying in their face how stupid they are... some bark in my face and I bark back...


    I was specifically speaking about the thread on which Sten is still waiting for your response. Imho, you left before the dead end was reached.

    Quote
    Are you deluded enough to think that I have all the time in the world to respond to every silly post at FFI?


    LOL, how can I be that deluded? I leave many discussions hanging myself.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
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