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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #120 - February 18, 2010, 06:28 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 18, 2010, 06:20 PM
    Was he that good?

    I mean what points can he make that haven't already been made?


    It was the way he made those points.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #121 - February 18, 2010, 06:29 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on February 18, 2010, 06:20 PM
    Was he that good?

    I mean what points can he make that haven't already been made?


    He was intelligent but pompous with it, and whilst he may have made valid posts, his point was lost in the sheer arrogance of his self love and self delusions.

    His attitude was a scathing one, hard to not feel as if you were being looked down on by some smug man who really thinks too highly of himself.

    Well, that's how I saw him.

    Hassan is intelligent and knowledgable about islam, he can make the same point that man would, but people would listen more to hassan than him, because hassan isn't a pompous poster.  Tongue
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #122 - February 18, 2010, 06:30 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 18, 2010, 06:20 PM
    To Rashna,

    I have one question for you - why dont you like FFI more than COEM?


    I might have to ask that question to myself these days Cheesy

    For me the answer is that I love strong and hard arguments.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #123 - February 18, 2010, 06:31 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 18, 2010, 06:22 PM
    We don't ban people unless it's extreme either, or they are trolling/multi nicking etc.

    We don;t ban people for their opinions, we ban them for personal attacks, for being nasty with those opinions, and even then we give so much leeway, yet here you claim that the speech over there is more free.

    None of you have ever been smited for your opinions, ever, you have simply had to deal with ALOT more people who are critical of what you are saying, whereas over there everyone agress and pats you on the back.  Maybe this is why you feel your opinion is being clamped down on, because you hate being the odd one out.

    However as facts go, there is no difference in the freedom of speech being exercised over there, to the one over here, it's all a matter of perspective.


    Are  christian missionaries allowed to post here? If yes then you have a point. Also would you allow christian missionaries to preach their faith in sections other than islam ? I guess you would allow muslims to preach their faith  but would you allow the christians  to do the same? Note that I aint supporting christianity or christians .All i want to ask you is would you give them the same degree of freedom?
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #124 - February 18, 2010, 06:33 PM
    We've never banned anybody for that, anyone who comes here talking about their religion just better be prepared to get challenged.  So yes, we do allow it and always have.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #125 - February 18, 2010, 06:36 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on February 18, 2010, 06:25 PM
    I think he is a better debator than Ali Sina.

    Agreed
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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #126 - February 18, 2010, 06:36 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 18, 2010, 06:22 PM
    Thank you for your good thoughts about me - I can say that I regret saying that to Zaephon, but it takes a while to calm down after leaving Islam - and it was a while ago and I'm sure Zaephon himself knows my feelings towards him changed since then which is why I'm a little disappointed Rashna brought it up again.

    Freedom of speech is fine, but there is a line which people should not cross and that is definitely when it incites violence towards others.

    There is no conflict between keeping discussions within certain limits of civility and having good discussions.

    Like I said on my Youtube channel:

    I expect a certain standard of civilised behaviour and respectfully ask all those who comment on my channel to bear this in mind. While I of course defend Free Speech, I do not believe that means I have to provide a platform for every idiot who wants to shout a stream of expletives, abuse, pornographic, disgusting, and hateful comments. If I see comments that overstep that mark they will be deleted.


    I am sure that you are aware about many anti-Islam/anti-Muslim members getting banned from FFI for their comments towards Muslims inciting violence against them. If you wish, I can even name a few. These days, however, hardly anyone gets banned there because of Ali expressing his opinion against bans.

    Heck there have been some Muslim trolls there no one seemed to be capable of handling properly; they almost killed you by the utter stupidities of their posts Cheesy
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #127 - February 18, 2010, 06:36 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on February 18, 2010, 06:31 PM
    Are  christian missionaries allowed to post here? If yes then you have a point. Also would you allow christian missionaries to preach their faith in sections other than islam ? I guess you would allow muslims to preach their faith  but would you allow the christians  to do the same? Note that I aint supporting christianity or christians .All i want to ask you is would you give them the same degree of freedom?


    I have never known anyone to be banned for preaching - only for excessively abusive behaviour or trolling. afaik the mods here have not banned many people - they are very tolerant.

    Personally I think the mods here hit just the right balance.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #128 - February 18, 2010, 06:39 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 18, 2010, 06:33 PM
    We've never banned anybody for that, anyone who comes here talking about their religion just better be prepared to get challenged.  So yes, we do allow it and always have.


    Then you have a point . I held this opinion because I see people frequently making comments here that christian missionaries shouldnt be befriended or allowed to post.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #129 - February 18, 2010, 06:39 PM
    I think you'll probably find less people banned here, than on FFI.  In fact I dont think anyone has ever been banned here because of their views..
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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #130 - February 18, 2010, 06:40 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on February 18, 2010, 06:16 PM
    I was just trying to say that MBL is one of the Christians there who have the ability to bring others in to the Christianity's fold, and doesn't bother at all.


     Cheesy dear, Muslims would either stay Muslims or become atheists... those who convert to Christianity are like 0.01% of those who leave Islam....

    I mean look at their theology:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKgDDglSq2s&feature=channel_page

    and Yahweh isn't lovely at all either:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt66kbYmXXk

    and not to mention the really crazy shit, literally:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CFbwqyZQF0


    What does the Bible have to offer a Muslim who wants to leave Islam? NOTHING!  
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #131 - February 18, 2010, 06:40 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on February 18, 2010, 06:39 PM
    I see people frequently making comments here that christian missionaries shouldnt be befriended or allowed to post


    Really?

    Who said that? I'm genuinely curious.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #132 - February 18, 2010, 06:42 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on February 18, 2010, 06:39 PM
    Then you have a point . I held this opinion because I see people frequently making comments here that christian missionaries shouldnt be befriended or allowed to post.

    I think you should take a look at this thread http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4153.480 - it might change of few of your misconceptions about COEM about christian missionaries not being allowed to post, and that there are no serious debates here..
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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #133 - February 18, 2010, 06:43 PM
    @Hassan and Islame

    May be I was wrong in holding this opinion but there was a reason as to why I held this opinion. Thanks for pointing it out.Read my  reply to Berberella.



  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #134 - February 18, 2010, 06:43 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 18, 2010, 06:22 PM
    I'm a little disappointed Rashna brought it up again.


    No offence, but the first time Islame, you & other ex Muslims' attitudes towards me underwent a serious change was when I had expressed only a wee bit sympathy for Westerners scared of Islamization & extremist Muslim attitudes, & this was enough for Islame & co. to jump on me & for you to delcare that you were very "disappointed" with me. I have a great talent for digging up old posts, so I can dig these out too.

    You can't be nasty to people & expect sweet words all the time.

    I find it extremely interesting & ironical that today a Muslim debunker is expressing similar sympathy towards Westerners scared about Islamization... and absolutely getting away with it, not a word of protest from anyone!  Roll Eyes

    Rather inconsistent attitude, I must say.  Wink
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #135 - February 18, 2010, 06:43 PM
    @ Hassan,

    Maybe he refers to me, except what I meant was, Christian missionaries won't be able to sell their lovely ideology to ex-Muslims here.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #136 - February 18, 2010, 06:44 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 18, 2010, 06:40 PM
    What does the Bible have to offer a Muslim who wants to leave Islam? NOTHING!  


    Jesus as a mystic has much to offer to anyone, and nothing as the son of God; ask MBL about it.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #137 - February 18, 2010, 06:44 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 18, 2010, 06:40 PM
    Cheesy dear, Muslims would either stay Muslims or become atheists... those who convert to Christianity are like 0.01% of those who leave Islam....

    I mean look at their theology:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKgDDglSq2s&feature=channel_page

    and Yahweh isn't lovely at all either:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt66kbYmXXk

    and not to mention the really crazy shit, literally:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CFbwqyZQF0


    What does the Bible have to offer a Muslim who wants to leave Islam? NOTHING!  


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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #138 - February 18, 2010, 06:46 PM
    Well Debunker is not a bigot.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #139 - February 18, 2010, 06:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 18, 2010, 06:40 PM
    Really?

    Who said that? I'm genuinely curious.



     I dont remember  but I will try to find out If I can locate the person.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #140 - February 18, 2010, 06:50 PM
    Invite them here Smiley Or invite them back here if they have already been here.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #141 - February 18, 2010, 06:51 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on February 18, 2010, 06:46 PM
    Well Debunker is not a bigot.


    Who said he was?

    If all the Muslims were like him, I wouldn't have any issues against Islam or Muslims.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #142 - February 18, 2010, 06:54 PM
    I know of one Muslim in an extended group of my acquaintances who converted to Christianity. I don't think its that uncommon. On the Channel 4 documentary on apostasy amongst Muslims a couple of years back they said that there are underground churches in the UK of ex Muslim Christians. They had to be kept secret for obvious reasons. The main story was about a Muslim and his family in Bradford who converted to Christianity and who was regularly abused by Muslims, his home vandalised, death threats, etc. The reporter went outside his house to be shown some of the most recent graffiti and a car drove past and abused him on camera. He said it was literally like that every time he walked out of his house.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #143 - February 18, 2010, 06:55 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on February 18, 2010, 06:44 PM
    Jesus as a mystic has much to offer to anyone, and nothing as the son of God; ask MBL about it.


    I don't care, who does the Biblical Jesus speak for? For Yahweh!!! The same Yahweh who ordered the Israelites to stone men to death for working on the Sabbath or disrespecting a priest or cursing, etc, etc...
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #144 - February 18, 2010, 06:56 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on February 18, 2010, 06:14 PM
    Yes, this is the way, & an extremely nasty way I must say. It brings down my respect of such folks several notches.

    C’mon Rasha, don't be a drama queen! Iblis was only joking.
    Besides he was sexually assaulted in prison and such things tend to change people.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #145 - February 18, 2010, 06:57 PM
    Quote from: debunker on February 18, 2010, 06:55 PM
    I don't care, who does the Biblical Jesus speak for? For Yahweh!!! The same Yahweh who ordered the Israelites to stone men to death for working on the Sabbath or disrespecting a priest or cursing, etc, etc...


    Say what you want about the coherence of Jewish or Christian theology.. but Jesus was, for his time, a very good ethical teacher. He taught and said some profound things.

    I might find Christiniaty to be rather bizarre, but as an individual Jesus was a pretty cool guy. Well definitely compared to Muhammad.  Tongue
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #146 - February 18, 2010, 06:58 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 18, 2010, 06:54 PM
    I know of one Muslim in an extended group of my acquaintances who converted to Christianity. I don't think its that uncommon. On the Channel 4 documentary on apostasy amongst Muslims a couple of years back they said that there are underground churches in the UK of ex Muslim Christians. They had to be kept secret for obvious reasons. The main story was about a Muslim and his family in Bradford who converted to Christianity and who was regularly abused by Muslims, his home vandalised, death threats, etc. The reporter went outside his house to be shown some of the most recent graffiti and a car drove past and abused him on camera. He said it was literally like that every time he walked out of his house.




    yeah, like the underground church in Mecca... that's Christian propagans crap.. again, the percentage of of ex-Muslims who become Christians is extremely low.. Of course, impoverished Muslims converting to Christianity doesn't count.. If I'm starving and you give me a piece of bread, I will call you god, billy!
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #147 - February 18, 2010, 06:58 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on February 18, 2010, 06:56 PM
    C’mon Rasha, don't be a drama queen! Iblis was only joking.
    Besides he was sexually assaulted in prison and such things tend to change people.



    ROFL

    Rashna takes herself and everything so seriously that she can't realize a shameless troll for what it is.

    Rashna, you're friggin 15, relax!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #148 - February 18, 2010, 06:59 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on February 18, 2010, 06:56 PM
    C’mon Rasha, don't be a drama queen! Iblis was only joking.
    Besides he was sexually assaulted in prison and such things tend to change people.



    It's true. I watched it happen and did nothing to prevent it. That little slut.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #149 - February 18, 2010, 07:01 PM
    @ debunker

    Here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXF-rJAOHGQ
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