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 Topic: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]

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  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #180 - February 18, 2010, 07:39 PM

    You know, you can have a discussion with a Christian evangelist and its relatively benign. You can take them on, challenge them, they keep coming back at you, but they roll with the punches, and they'll go away wishing you the best. A discussion with a full-on dawah merchant is very bleak, dark and horrifying!

    I actually enjoy bantering with the elderly Seventh Day Adventist and Jehovas Witnesses that I've come across - a Tableeghi Jamaati looks like a hypnotised King Cobra with a knife behind his back and a one way ticket to a lunatic asylum!





     Cheesy
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #181 - February 18, 2010, 07:41 PM

    Hey. Seriously. I like you. In a non creepy way. You're a smart girl. But you are young as well. So stop it with the BS Rashna. You are seriously giving brownie points to Christianity? You're serious? Have you even checked the history? Have you been around fundamentalist Christians?

    All religions suck balls.

    Some just suck a smaller set of balls.

    Religions are sectarian by nature. The enlightenment makes Christianity submit and go wailing back into its corner of shame. That's why its so docile. Look at ex-Christians on youtube and read Christian comments. Not so docile are they? Its the purpose of missionary to invite people kindly into their fold.

    Witch hunts
    Slavery
    The Spanish Inquisitions
    Conquistadors
    Protestant/Catholic wars
    Devil purging
    Crusades
    Child molesting priests
    Nun rape
    Church implications with the Nazis
    Antisemitism
    Creationism


    I know Christianity's sordid history, the thing is people do not live in history, they live in the present. At present, for whatever reason, Christianity is docile. Today, it does have elements in its culture which make it preferable to Islam.It isn't perfect,still has many faults but it is preferable.

    In case of Britain, you only have to compare the Christians Catholics & Anglicans to the Muslims.

    All I said was that, many British Muslim women would feel immensely attracted to this religion as its currently practiced. It would seem to them to be offering everything their faith doesn't-freedom, opportunities & gender equality.

    People don't always take an elaborate history lesson pre converting, or even read about how the religion is practiced currently, its often an emotional decision.

    Thus, a Christian British woman meets a rich, handsome Saudi Sheikh, & reverts, forget history, she might not even be concerned about present laws in her husband's country. Likewise, many people alienated from their societies with pent up rage become Muslims in jail, when they make good Muslim buddies.

    Similarly, the good qualities which Christianity displays in the present age & the cultures which follow Christianity presently, namely the West, might make many Western Muslim women consider the faith.

    However, the freedom which a British Anglican woman had to marry a Muslim & convert to Islam is far greater than the freedom a Muslimah has to quit her birth religion , which explains much, if not all, of the discrepancy in numbers.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #182 - February 18, 2010, 07:42 PM

    Ah thanks! Love learning new stuff.

    Hey have you read this book?

    A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed - by Ali Dashi  

    http://ali-dashti-23-years.tripod.com/

    It's honestly a good read. Half-way through myself.

    Nope. Anyway, I'm sure it's full of stories from Hadith/Tabari/Ibn Ishaq/Ibn Hisham...

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #183 - February 18, 2010, 07:43 PM

    She says that the emphasis on forgiveness in Christianity v. punishment in Islam is what motivated her.She's met several such girls desirous of converting to Christianity.

    Muslim girls in UK often enjoy extremely little freedom compared to their Christian friends, I know girls who weren't allowed to go to even their friends birthday parties, & Peruvian, a UK apostate in her early twenties, wrote about how most of her Muslim friends were married off by their parents right after school. Peru also wrote that she wished she'd been born Christian.

    Just to clarify a few things from my story, most of my friends were pakistani's. It is very common for us to be married off early. The only reason I used to wish I was born Christian was because they were more lax about their rules, this way I'd have more freedom. I used to think Christians went to heaven in Islam and because they didn't know they were in the wrong religion, that way they would be forgiven (in other words an easy ticket to heaven without the hassles of Islam). Of course now I know this was totally wrong. They actually go to hell.

    While I agree with your first point about why some muslims may be attracted to Christianity, Christianity is just another shit cult posing as a 'peace and love' religion.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #184 - February 18, 2010, 07:46 PM

    @ BD

    Speaking of Christianity's past and how it might have been inspired by the NT, you might want to take a look at my posts starting here:

     http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1441&start=80

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #185 - February 18, 2010, 07:47 PM

    Nope. Anyway, I'm sure it's full of stories from Hadith/Tabari/Ibn Ishaq/Ibn Hisham...


    How do you say the shahada? Rhetorical question right.

    Then I would assume Mohammed is important no? How are we supposed to learn about him?

    This is all that is left. This is Islamic history and sources.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #186 - February 18, 2010, 07:49 PM

    Witch hunts
    Slavery
    The Spanish Inquisitions
    Conquistadors
    Protestant/Catholic wars
    Devil purging
    Crusades
    Child molesting priests
    Nun rape
    Church implications with the Nazis
    Antisemitism
    Creationism

    Do not forget Vatican's hostility towards science in general. Giordano Bruno was burned at a stake. Galileo Galilei was put under house arrest! "E pur si muove!"
    Fuck you Vatican!
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #187 - February 18, 2010, 07:51 PM

    Do not forget Vatican's hostility towards science in general. Giordano Bruno was burned at a stake. Galileo Galilei was put under house arrest! "E pur si muove!"
    Fuck you Vatican!


    +1

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #188 - February 18, 2010, 07:54 PM

    Just to clarify a few things from my story, most of my friends were pakistani's. It is very common for us to be married off early. The only reason I used to wish I was born Christian was because they were more lax about their rules, this way I'd have more freedom. I used to think Christians went to heaven in Islam and because they didn't know they were in the wrong religion, that way they would be forgiven (in other words an easy ticket to heaven without the hassles of Islam). Of course now I know this was totally wrong. They actually go to hell.

    While I agree with your first point about why some muslims may be attracted to Christianity, Christianity is just another shit cult posing as a 'peace and love' religion.


    Sure, I agree with all you wrote, & Christianity is indeed a shit cult posing as peace & love religion, but it does have preferable cultural elements at the current date.And not only about Pakistanis, I have seen comparatively late marriages amongst Indian & Bangladeshi Christians as well, compared to Muslimahs.

    I have Muslim friends whose elder sisters have been married off as soon as they touched 18, my Chistian acquaintances & acquaintances from most other religions are very keen that their daughters at least finish University & get a career before they get them married. I think Cliodna also wrote about this.

    Also, my friends from Christian backgrounds tend to be more lax about the rules & offer women a greater freedom of mobility compared to Muslimahs.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #189 - February 18, 2010, 07:58 PM

    Baruch Spinoza, one of the greatest rationalist philosophers was excommunicated from Dutch Jewish community partially to placate Roman Catholic Church. His books were placed on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum.

    The only reason why Christianity has almost no influence in modern Europe is because of Enlightenment. The spirit of Enlightenment allowed Europe to become such a success story.

    I do sincerely hope that Islamic Enlightenment is just around the corner.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #190 - February 19, 2010, 01:22 AM

    I would just like to make it clear to silent readers that FFI does not represent Christians or Christianity. It is necessary to state this because of the name of this thread and the turn it has taken. FFI vs COEM is NOT Christianity vs whatever.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #191 - February 19, 2010, 01:31 AM

    Lets just all hold hands and agree that Islam is a giant piece of crap. Common ground ftw.  Afro

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #192 - February 19, 2010, 01:51 AM

    That adds to the variety and thrill of being on a forum. Danger has its own magnetism.


    You think a bunch of people on an internet forum acting like cunts to each other and spewing the most vile of ideas, just because the anonymity and distance allows them to do so safely, is "thrilling" and "dangerous"? Wow, just...wow.

    fuck you
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #193 - February 19, 2010, 02:51 AM

    Sure, I agree with all you wrote, & Christianity is indeed a shit cult posing as peace & love religion, but it does have preferable cultural elements at the current date.And not only about Pakistanis, I have seen comparatively late marriages amongst Indian & Bangladeshi Christians as well, compared to Muslimahs.

    I have Muslim friends whose elder sisters have been married off as soon as they touched 18, my Chistian acquaintances & acquaintances from most other religions are very keen that their daughters at least finish University & get a career before they get them married. I think Cliodna also wrote about this.

    Also, my friends from Christian backgrounds tend to be more lax about the rules & offer women a greater freedom of mobility compared to Muslimahs.


    Are Zoroastrians lax about marriage?
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #194 - February 19, 2010, 03:53 AM

    You think a bunch of people on an internet forum acting like cunts to each other and spewing the most vile of ideas, just because the anonymity and distance allows them to do so safely, is "thrilling" and "dangerous"? Wow, just...wow.


    You get a kick out of just such behavior so wow to that load of hypocrisy.  Cheesy
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #195 - February 19, 2010, 04:04 AM

    What's with your obsession with me, Ansar?

    Here's a tip, everyone, Ansar comes across considerably less creepy if you translate everything he says into lolcat:

    U GIT KICK OUT OV JUS SUCH BEHAVIOR SO WOW 2 DAT LOAD OV HYPOCRISY.  Cheesy

    Now picture Ansar as a cute, mischievous cat.

    fuck you
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #196 - February 19, 2010, 04:13 AM

    ROFL

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #197 - February 19, 2010, 05:20 AM

    What's with your obsession with me, Ansar?

    Here's a tip, everyone, Ansar comes across considerably less creepy if you translate everything he says into lolcat:

    U GIT KICK OUT OV JUS SUCH BEHAVIOR SO WOW 2 DAT LOAD OV HYPOCRISY.  Cheesy

    Now picture Ansar as a cute, mischievous cat.


    There's nothing obsessive about pointing out hypocrisy. Especially the hypocrisy of someone who claims to be leftist but cannot respond rationally to my challenges (as demonstrated in the above quote). BTW, guys like Q-man are basically the flipside of the likes of Samurai Jack and others whom Ali Sina tolerated and allowed to post so grotesquely at FFI for years. I do hope that this is not the case with Hassan. Are my hopes misplaced Hassan?
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #198 - February 19, 2010, 05:27 AM

    THARS NOTHIN OBSESIV BOUT POINTIN OUT HYPOCRISY. ESPECIALLY TEH HYPOCRISY OV SOMEONE HOO CLAIMS 2 BE LEFTIST BUT CANT RESPOND RASHUNALLY 2 MAH CHALLENGEZ (AS DEMONSTRATD IN DA ABOOV QUOTE). BTW, GUYZ LIEK Q-MAN R BASICALLY TEH FLIPSIDE OV TEH LIKEZ OV SAMURAI JACK AN OTHERS WHOM ALI SINA TOLERATD AN ALLOWD 2 POST SO GROTESQUELY AT FFI 4 YEERS. I DOEZ HOPE DAT DIS AR TEH NOT TEH CASE WIF HASAN. R MAH HOPEZ MISPLACD HASAN?


    I FINKZ U WANTS 2 MAK SEKZ WIF ME. U WANTS ME BAD, ANZAR

    fuck you
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #199 - February 19, 2010, 06:04 AM

    @Hassan

    Jack Torrance was opposing me here when I said christians should be allowed to attack islam.Here is one such poster that you wanted me to show. 

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=6148.32
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #200 - February 19, 2010, 07:20 AM

    You think a bunch of people on an internet forum acting like cunts to each other and spewing the most vile of ideas, just because the anonymity and distance allows them to do so safely, is "thrilling" and "dangerous"? Wow, just...wow.

    Yes, it is dangerous for their faith, beliefs and conditioning; many have lost theirs!

    Did you think I was talking of some kind of mortal danger?

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #201 - February 19, 2010, 07:39 AM

    Quote
    Religious affiliation of FFI members
    Christianity 26
    Islam 11
    Judaism 3
    Hinduism 11
    Buddhism 4
    Sikhism 0
    Atheist 22
    Other 12
    Source: FaithFreedom Poll of members


    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #202 - February 19, 2010, 07:42 AM

    See! Christians are not even one third of the population at FFI.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #203 - February 19, 2010, 07:56 AM

    Oh, the stats were in fact larger than I imagined.

    Its surprising to see the largest group of members on FFI are actually people who dont have faith freedom.  Christians not only outnumber exmuslims, but atheists too!

    Perhaps the site should be named according to the largest group of members - say FaithFreeDom

    I think the needs of the this majority should be respected, I might put in a small request to Sina to see what he thinks about my idea for a new section underneath the ex-muslim testimonies section.  I was thinking about calling it BibleStudy.


    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #204 - February 19, 2010, 08:05 AM

    Oh, the stats were in fact larger than I imagined.

    Its surprising to see the largest group of members on FFI are actually people who dont have faith freedom.  Christians not only outnumber exmuslims, but atheists too!

    Perhaps the site should be named according to the largest group of members - say FaithFreeDom

    I think the needs of the this majority should be respected, I might put in a small request to Sina to see what he thinks about my idea for a new section underneath the ex-muslim testimonies section.  I was thinking about calling it BibleStudy.



    Oh, but the members do study the Bible and the Quran a lot at FFI; the study of the Quran is done most frequently of course. That way, Muslims ARE a privileged lot at FFI Cheesy

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #205 - February 19, 2010, 08:37 AM

    @Hassan

    Jack Torrance was opposing me here when I said christians should be allowed to attack islam.Here is one such poster that you wanted me to show. 

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=6148.32


    Hi SkyN

    That's the second time in this thread that someone raised something Jack said as if I'm responsible in some way for what he says. So let me say very clearly; 'Jack doesn't speak for me and I don't speak for Jack.'
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #206 - February 19, 2010, 08:39 AM

    @Hassan

    Jack Torrance was opposing me here when I said christians should be allowed to attack islam.Here is one such poster that you wanted me to show. 

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=6148.32


    As I said, any religious person posting about their religion being superior will have to deal with people criticizing them, but that does not and never will mean that this forum doesn't allow people of all faiths to post freely and critically about islam.

    It is unfortunate that religion is such a personal matter to some, as it means they leave because they don't want it to get criticized in the end.  Much like muslims posters eventually leave FFI and here too.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #207 - February 19, 2010, 08:41 AM

    As I said, any religious person posting about their religion being superior will have to deal with people criticizing them, but that does not and never will mean that this forum doesn't allow people of all faiths to post freely and critically about islam.

    It is unfortunate that religion is such a personal matter to some, as it means they leave because they don't want it to get criticized in the end.  Much like muslims posters eventually leave FFI and here too.


    What Berbs said ^^
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #208 - February 19, 2010, 08:46 AM

    I do hope that this is not the case with Hassan. Are my hopes misplaced Hassan?


    Huh? What?
  • Re: FFI vs. COEM [Split: Poster of the month!]
     Reply #209 - February 19, 2010, 08:49 AM

    Huh? What?


    He thinks you are the Ali Sina of this board  Cheesy

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