Parallel myths (split from Exodus thread)

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Reply #30 - February 21, 2010, 12:28 AM

I thought there were historical records that mentioned a Jesus like personality who was eventually crucified. None of the resurrection bollocks though. It is not inconceivable that the historical Jesus was actually some sort of rebel or an instigator and not as meek as described.

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Reply #31 - February 21, 2010, 12:31 AM

Yeah that's what I mean I think there might more historical proof of the crucifiction to be honest.
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Reply #32 - February 21, 2010, 12:32 AM

Quote from: ninurta on February 21, 2010, 12:15 AM
I would be suprised if he didn't. To the Romans, rebellion wasn't some small crime, they could be pretty brutal.

Crucifixion was actually the standard punishment for rebellion against Rome.

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Reply #33 - February 21, 2010, 12:34 AM

Quote from: ras111 on February 21, 2010, 12:28 AM
I thought there were historical records that mentioned a Jesus like personality who was eventually crucified. None of the resurrection bollocks though. It is not inconceivable that the historical Jesus was actually some sort of rebel or an instigator and not as meek as described.

Was he? Just in Josephus or elsewhere?

Quote from: BlackDog on February 21, 2010, 12:31 AM
Yeah that's what I mean I think there might more historical proof of the crucifiction to be honest.

I thought a while back they even found that they had crucified alot of people there?

Quote from: ras111 on February 21, 2010, 12:32 AM
Crucifixion was actually the standard punishment for rebellion against Rome.

Which is why I think that for me the story of the temple riot and rebellion, then the handing over of jesus and his crucifixion is a bit more believeable to me.

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Reply #34 - February 21, 2010, 12:45 AM

If I'm not mistaken someone sounding like him is also mentioned by Tacitus and Pliny the Younger as well. My current opinion is that he was some sort of ancient Hebrew Che Guevara

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Reply #35 - February 21, 2010, 07:43 AM

ninurta, good stuff

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Reply #36 - February 21, 2010, 08:23 AM

this is a fascinating thread, i'm trying to spend more time studying mythology recently but there's so much to cover...

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Reply #37 - February 21, 2010, 09:09 AM

@Ninurta, what credible books on mythology would you recommend?
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Reply #38 - February 21, 2010, 07:29 PM

I've read so many, it would depend on what mythology you'd like to read? I usually read books that specialize, and more than often I have a preference for the texts themselves instead of modern retellings. The difference being that one is a translation and the other is often taken liberties with and just retells the story and isnt a translation of a prior text.

I read so many its not even funny, but to name a few:
The Illiad and Odyssey (got to check the translators of these texts)
The Theogony
The Poetic Edda (though its hard to read for those who have trouble with poetic language)
Every myth on the oxford site alongside several books written by Thorkild Jacobsen and others on mesopotamian mythologies
and i have to think of more.

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Reply #39 - February 21, 2010, 07:52 PM

Quote from: ninurta on February 21, 2010, 07:29 PM
I've read so many, it would depend on what mythology you'd like to read?

I'm interested in the myths and tales which are common to the Abrahamic faiths. I'm also interested in the tale of the exodus.
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Reply #40 - February 22, 2010, 01:13 PM

To name a few (well sort of a few, a few compared to what there is):

The story with Pandora in it (story of Eve, sort of parallels it)
The greek flood story, as well as the epic of Ziusudra and the epic of atrahasis, and the story of Utnapishtim in the epic of gilgamesh (Noah)
Adapa and the food of life (story of Adam and eve, closely parallels it, but he doesn't eat what he was told not to)
Birth legend of Sargon (Moses birth story)
The Ipuwer Papyrus (the plagues of Moses)
Anubis and Bata (Joseph and Potiphar parallel is a little difficult to those who don't know the narratives well)
Lot (Ludhul Bel Nimeqi, and also The Poem of the Righteous Sufferer)
Marduk and Tiamat (though the hebrew no longer survives, YHWH and the seamonster leviathan, as well as the Ugaritic cognate Lotan and Baal)
God verse Satan, and the eventual defeat of satan, parallels the Zoroastrian Ahura Mazda and Ahriman situation.

though like I said, the parallels mostly come from ideas being passed around, so they won't always be immediately obvious nor always be seen, because there aren't any direct parallels (as if they copied the texs from the library of Ashurbanipal), as the myths were probably intermingled through being told by campfire. Afterall, shepherd didn't write, they told stories by campfire (and still do for the most part)

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