@ sky
The underlined part shows that those girls were young and needed someone to take care of them. Its clear that they couldnt handle the responsibility of marriage.This shows that marrying mentally immature kids is ok in islam.
Huh?! This is the underlined part again:
I have sisters (young in age) so I liked to marry a matron who could collect them all and comb their hair and look after them."
So he wanted to marry a woman who'd be a like mother-figure for his sisters. So what?
And the other Hadith says:
he said, "Why not a virgin, so that you might play with her and she with you, and you might amuse her and she amuse you." I said, " 'Abdullah (my father) died and left girls, and I dislike to marry a girl like them, so I married a lady (matron) so that she may look after them."
Meaning? He didn't want to marry a girl because she wouldn't be like a mother figure to them.
Anyway, you seem to be mistaken me for someone who is interested in defending Hadith, no, I was telling BD when he EMPHASIZED that one should only take orthodox view, that if he should insist on taking the orthodox view then we should be consistent in this regard. And now here's the Hadiths you listed in arabic:
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=0&Rec=3301It says the prophet said to him he should have married a
"maiden" but he said he wanted a woman take care of his sisters. By the way, did you believe the
"inconvenient" part of the Hadith where the camel magically became fast upon poking from the prophet's stick
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And the other Hadith:
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=0&Rec=8007http://islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=9800&idto=9801&bk_no=52&ID=2997Again, the word is "maiden"... but Jabir said he preferred a woman to raise his sisters... (a maiden is too young to be a mother figure).
It's not my problem if you don't speak Arabic Sky, but the Orthodox scholars, people like BD insist we take their opinions, don't think these Hadiths had anything to say about marrying prebuscent girls.
Again the same thing here. These 2 hadiths indicate that marrying of children who arent mentally mature is allowed in islam. Btw you said "play" is not the correct translation. Then what is the correct translation? Also if you could go through the second hadith that I posted it uses the word "amuse". What is meant by amuse? Sex?
In the context of that Hadith play bears a sexual meaning, like two young couple running around, etc.
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You assume here Bukhari is wrong.What is the reason for that ?
Why cant he be trusted on this particular issue? You only showed that Tafsir scholars cannot be trusted on this issue but not Bukhari.Bukhari narrates atleast 2-3 hadiths on this plus the age of Aisha is being narrated in many hadiths.
He wanted to justify all the Hadiths where Aicha said she was 9, so he took a verse from the Quran that said NOTHING about marrying little girls and thought that it can be understood to mean just that! Stupid idiot, and the rest of the idiots (exegists) followed the opinion of their prophet Bukhari on that verse, but the morons contradicted themselves when they explained 4:6.
Here is the hadith from Bukhari concerning this.
Sahih Bukari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 63).
Narrated Sahl bin Sad: While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, "Marry her to me O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet asked (him), "Have you got anything?" He said, "I have got nothing." The Prophet said, "Not even an iron ring?" He Sad, "Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half." The Prophet; said, "No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart)?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." 'And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl before puberty is three months (in the above Verse)
This Hadith does NOT exist... the bolded part is Bukhari's opinion listed in a SEPERATE chapter of the Book of Marriage. This is a typo/error.. Please don't tell me you got this "Hadith" from some anti-Islam site? Did those guy get so desperate as to even use typos or copy mistakes as evidence? And if you don't believe me see link below.
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/marriage_age.htmlMoreover, note how the hadith compiler al-Bukhari explained this passage:
XXXIX. A man giving his young children in marriage
By the words of Allah, "that also applies to those who have not yet menstruated" (65:4) and He made the 'idda of a girl before puberty three months.
4840. It is related from 'A'isha that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, married her when she was six years old and consummated it when she was nine, and she was his wife for nine years. (Aisha Bewley, The Sahih Collection of Al-Bukhari, Chapter 70. Book of Marriage; source)
The imam al-Bukhari used Aisha’s marriage as an illustration of a prepubescent girl who was married, thereby supporting the fact that Q. 65:4 does permit men to marry prepubescents. Moreover, the imam’s comments provide additional corroboration that Muhammad married Aisha before she reached maidenhood!
The fact is: the only Hadiths Bukhari believed to allow marriage to prebuscent girls is Aicha reporting her age... in the Chapter *XXXIX. A man giving his young children in marriage*, Bukhari only listed Aicha's age Hadith and his stupid opinion on 65:4... come to think of it, perhaps Bukhari was troubled by the fact that according to his Hadith collection, only the prophet married a prebuscent girl, so the idiot wanted to support this from the Quran.
Anyway, again, you seem to have mistaken me for someone who is interested in defending Hadith, no, I was telling BD when he EMPHASIZED the orthodox view, that if he should insist on taking the orthodox view then he should be consistent in this regard and he SHOULD know that anti-Islamic sites, while they boast all the time that they're following the Orthodox view, they are LIARS... they quote the orthodox view ONLY when it suits them.... 
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