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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #120 - March 05, 2010, 09:02 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on March 05, 2010, 08:55 PM
    What about flying shit?

    with wings like an eagle or a hawk?
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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #121 - March 05, 2010, 09:13 PM
    With wings I suppose...
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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #122 - March 05, 2010, 09:16 PM
    No, because the wings would fall off
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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #123 - March 05, 2010, 09:21 PM
     Cheesy
    Elementary my dear Watson!
  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #124 - March 05, 2010, 09:43 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 05, 2010, 09:16 PM
    No, because the wings would fall off


    Then god is equally implausible.
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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #125 - March 05, 2010, 11:55 PM
    Let me try this again:

    Was the north pole created to be cold so that there could be polar bears, or are there polar bears because the north pole is cold?
    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #126 - March 06, 2010, 01:06 AM
    Quote from: King Tut on March 05, 2010, 09:43 PM
    Then god is equally implausible.

    lol- just joking.  I am agnostic about that too..
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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #127 - March 06, 2010, 01:08 AM
    Quote from: Homer on March 05, 2010, 11:55 PM
    Let me try this again:

    Was the north pole created to be cold so that there could be polar bears, or are there polar bears because the north pole is cold?

    polar bears because the north pole is cold, if the question is addressed to me
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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #128 - March 06, 2010, 03:55 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 05, 2010, 06:08 PM
    On the other hand as you imply I do find it odd that God would create the vast cosmos that we cannot even contemplate with our minds and that we would still apparently be so important to Him.

    Does the Quranic answer thats its all a test of how much we are prepared to sacrifice for him suffice?
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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #129 - March 06, 2010, 04:11 PM
    I miss Hassan and debunker  Cry
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #130 - March 06, 2010, 04:21 PM
    I shall be holding a 30 minute candlelit vigil in honour
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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #131 - March 06, 2010, 07:43 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 06, 2010, 01:06 AM
    lol- just joking.  I am agnostic about that too..


    You are agnostic about shit flying at the end of your garden?
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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #132 - March 06, 2010, 07:44 PM
    I'm agnostic about King Tut ever touching a woman.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #133 - March 06, 2010, 07:45 PM
    My mother for one, then teachers I suppose, the lollipop lady who held my hand when I crosses the road with her, etc.
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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #134 - March 06, 2010, 07:46 PM
     Wink
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #135 - March 06, 2010, 11:49 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on March 06, 2010, 07:43 PM
    You are agnostic about shit flying at the end of your garden?

    Yep
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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #136 - March 07, 2010, 12:15 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 06, 2010, 01:08 AM
    polar bears because the north pole is cold, if the question is addressed to me


    Not directed at anyone in general, directed at the 'fine tuning' argument.
    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #137 - March 07, 2010, 12:27 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 05, 2010, 08:36 PM
    Can you categorically say there is no such thing as a deist God?  If so, then doesnt that make you an agnostic too?



    Not really..I think the 'deistic god' is pointless, and there is really no reason to even consider said thing a god (this may depend on what 'deistic god' means).
    Either way there is no reason to believe there is one. There is no evidence of one, no models to explain it, and no experiments that can be done to validate its existence....so its simply a pointless speculation, that might as well be dismissed, because it goes no where and provides nothing to know.  
    If someone could come up with some theoretical models or experiments based on real observations and data or anything that could be used to show the probable existence of or information about 'deistic god', or find useful information from its study.... that would be great...until someone does, deistic god will remain pointless.  

    So its not a matter of having to categorically say there is no such thing as a deist God, the burden of proof is not on me. I simply dont believe in the existence of deistic god, based on the lack of reason to believe in it.

    Therefor, atheist


    EDIT: I Should add something, I am not the militant materialist I may sound like sometimes. I am however a naturalist, in that I believe (and have no reason to believe any other way) that all things are natural. Why is our universe here? Dont know for sure, but I bet its a 'natural reason', that could (if given all the data), eventually be understood. If things like ghosts, and magic, and deities exist....They would be natural too. So I have nothing against them.
    Hell, I wish ghosts and goblins and hanuman monkey soldiers existed, that would be awesome!
    However, till I have some real reason to believe that these things do, I have accept what reality gives me...
    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #138 - March 07, 2010, 08:41 AM
    +1

    Yeah kids, listen to Homer and you will turn out ok!
  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #139 - March 07, 2010, 11:06 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 06, 2010, 11:49 PM
    Yep


    So you don't know how probabilities work?
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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #140 - March 07, 2010, 02:50 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on March 07, 2010, 11:06 AM
    So you don't know how probabilities work?

    popcorn
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  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #141 - March 07, 2010, 03:16 PM
    Quote from: Homer on March 07, 2010, 12:27 AM

    Not really..I think the 'deistic god' is pointless, and there is really no reason to even consider said thing a god (this may depend on what 'deistic god' means).
    Either way there is no reason to believe there is one. There is no evidence of one, no models to explain it, and no experiments that can be done to validate its existence....so its simply a pointless speculation, that might as well be dismissed, because it goes no where and provides nothing to know.  
    If someone could come up with some theoretical models or experiments based on real observations and data or anything that could be used to show the probable existence of or information about 'deistic god', or find useful information from its study.... that would be great...until someone does, deistic god will remain pointless.  

    So its not a matter of having to categorically say there is no such thing as a deist God, the burden of proof is not on me. I simply dont believe in the existence of deistic god, based on the lack of reason to believe in it.

    Therefor, atheist


    EDIT: I Should add something, I am not the militant materialist I may sound like sometimes. I am however a naturalist, in that I believe (and have no reason to believe any other way) that all things are natural. Why is our universe here? Dont know for sure, but I bet its a 'natural reason', that could (if given all the data), eventually be understood. If things like ghosts, and magic, and deities exist....They would be natural too. So I have nothing against them.
    Hell, I wish ghosts and goblins and hanuman monkey soldiers existed, that would be awesome!
    However, till I have some real reason to believe that these things do, I have accept what reality gives me...



    I guess what it comes down it to is whether one feels the Universe needed a creator or not. A lot of people including many prominent physicists beleive the Universe is too elegant and too fine tuned, and that it must have needed an intelligent designer to be the way that experiments and observations tell us that it is. This 'intelligent creator' could be 'God' or some other type of 'agent'. Some people have even suggested the 'agent' might even be Aliens (in fact Richard Dawkins' view is that Alien creators are more plausible than God!).

    It's very unlikely that we'll ever be able to get any evidence of such a God or 'agent' as we can not make any observations outside our universe (this is scientifically impossible) - presumably where such a God or 'agents' exist.
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #142 - March 07, 2010, 03:26 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 07, 2010, 03:16 PM
    It's very unlikely that we'll ever be able to get any evidence of such a God or 'agent' as we can not make any observations outside our universe (this is scientifically impossible) - presumably where such a God or 'agents' exist.

    How do you know this agent exists outside of our universe, as a muslim I never made this assumption - in fact I always imagined God was all around us and resided in our universe  Huh?.

    Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 07, 2010, 03:16 PM
    It's very unlikely that we'll ever be able to get any evidence of such a God

    I dont think so.   A creator God seeking recognition imo would most definitely want to send us evidence and also be able too if it did exist, whether it lived in this universe or outside of it.  Once you are convinded of this mythical creature, you have to remember anything & everything is possible.
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  • What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #143 - February 25, 2014, 01:18 AM
    Proof of a god?
    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #144 - February 25, 2014, 03:04 AM
    Honestly I don't think there is one, providing you're speaking in a theistic sense. In a deistic/prime mover sense, the fact there even is a universe (I don't have enough knowledge of physics or cosmology to give insight into it), but if the multiverse theory does prove to be true, that's out the window. Maybe that there's a multiverse? Wink
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #145 - February 25, 2014, 06:14 AM
    Our knowledge and minds are limited. That is the reason we don't understand God and we question His existence- a typical Islamic response.
  • What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #146 - February 25, 2014, 06:30 AM
    Then it's not our fault. Why are we blamed for how allah made us?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #147 - February 25, 2014, 07:26 AM
    There are no arguments against atheism. All of the arguments either have massive glaring flaws in them and can be rejected outright with little concern or are not even arguments against atheism per se. I have yet to run across an argument that caused me any dissonance as an atheist or seeded any doubt in me. Nor one that was especially difficult to refute.

    This goes beyond not finding any argument to be most powerful. It is not being able to decide which is the least bad argument. They are all really bad and all fail in their purpose, if their purpose is to be compelling.

    The only time I concede any doubt is out of intellectual charity and philosophical courtesy. It is expected of us to concede some margin of doubt in order to acknowledge the fallibility of being human. But in the privacy of my own mind and the day-to-day management of myself and my life, I operate as though there is absolutely no God. Because there is no God.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #148 - February 25, 2014, 12:22 PM
    I second Ishina. I have seen the points of the other side, but I am not convinced. A powerful God is not so weak that He doesn't give us solid proofs of His existence and throws us into hell for it. That is utter foolishness and doesn't suit an omnipotent God. Even if you say that how come we got so lucky to be born into a universe suitable for living,  I will say the chances are very few but not non-existent.
  • What do you think is the most powerful argument against atheism?
     Reply #149 - February 25, 2014, 01:03 PM
    It suits a sadistic/psychopathic god.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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