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 Poll

  • Question: What is your position on smoking bans?
  • -Outlaw smoking and tobacco production - 4 (15.4%)
  • -Ban smoking in ALL places except private residence - 2 (7.7%)
  • -Ban smoking in enclosed public places and work places (status quo in the UK) - 4 (15.4%)
  • -Introduce a system of quotas in which every town council allocates a number of permits for smoking bars, restaurants, and coffee shops - 5 (19.2%)
  • -Ban smoking only in enclosed public areas. Allow private institutions (restaurants, bars, shopping centres..etc) to do as they wish - 9 (34.6%)
  • -Lift all smoking bans except in hospitals - 0 (0%)
  • -Lift all smoking bans - 2 (7.7%)
  • Total Voters: 26

 Topic: Smoking bans

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  • Smoking bans
     OP - March 04, 2010, 02:59 AM
    I'm just angry because I can't light up in any bar or pub in the UK  finmad (except in freezing Beer Gardens of course)

    I picked option 4. In fact I thought it all up. I wonder if anybody has thought of this brilliant idea  cool2

    However, my heart is with option 5 as I believe the government has no right dictating what private establishments can do within their premises.
    Besides, in a free market, consumer choice determines what suppliers of any service will do. Thus, with time there's gonna be a ratio of smoking to non-smoking establishments that meets the demands of the consumers.

    Looking forward to reading your opinions.


    EDIT: I've changed my mind. I'm going with 5.
  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #1 - March 04, 2010, 03:04 AM
    They should ban it everywhere except private areas or special designated areas of course. I hate smoking vomit
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  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #2 - March 04, 2010, 03:18 AM
    What do you mean by "private areas"?

    If I buy a piece of land and build a bar on it, would it be considered a private area?
  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #3 - March 04, 2010, 03:19 AM
    Ohhh. Maybe I used the wrong word. I meant like houses, apartments etc. Like smoking at home is fine.
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  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #4 - March 04, 2010, 03:22 AM
    It should be banned in all enclosed areas except private businesses and institutions that apply for a permit. So #4.
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  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #5 - March 04, 2010, 03:26 AM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on March 04, 2010, 02:59 AM
    I'm just angry because I can't light up in any bar or pub in the UK  finmad (except in freezing Beer Gardens of course)

    I picked option 4. In fact I thought it all up. I wonder if anybody has thought of this brilliant idea  cool2

    However, my heart is with option 5 as I believe the government has no right dictating what private establishments can do within their premises.
    Besides, in a free market, consumer choice determines what suppliers of any service will do. Thus, with time there's gonna be a ratio of smoking to non-smoking establishments that meets the demands of the consumers.

    Looking forward to reading your opinions.


    Another option is to have well ventilated ares for smoking in pubs, restaurants, trains etc.. But, unfortunately, that's not the idea... It'll be smoking licenses next.  Angry
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  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #6 - March 04, 2010, 03:33 AM
    Quote from: Cool Canadian on March 04, 2010, 03:19 AM
    Ohhh. Maybe I used the wrong word. I meant like houses, apartments etc. Like smoking at home is fine.

    I see


    Quote from: panoptic on March 04, 2010, 03:26 AM
    Another option is to have well ventilated ares for smoking in pubs, restaurants, trains etc.. But, unfortunately, that's not the idea... It'll be smoking licenses next.  Angry

    Good idea but I think that falls under the permit option. Right?



    BTW, who voted option 1?
  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #7 - March 04, 2010, 04:13 AM
    My parents have both been smoking for thirty years and are both very healthy people, I have no problem with it and can tolerate it but I personally don't smoke.

    I voted for...

    -Ban smoking only in enclosed public areas. Allow private institutions (restaurants, bars, shopping centres..etc) to do as they wish

    Keep it banned in public enclosed areas, let private institutions decide for themselves and from there customers can decide where they go. Seems like a fair balance.
  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #8 - March 04, 2010, 07:26 AM
    Other-- Establish stronger workplace indoor air quality standards. Nothing specific about tobacco smoke. If these standards can be achieved while allowing smoking (say through good ventilation/air filtration systems) then no problem. Failing that, I would support a total repeal of all smoking bans.
    fuck you
  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #9 - March 04, 2010, 07:31 AM
    Option 4.  I remember hearing one story in which a pub owner, who had a pub that had 2 sides to it, with solid doors between etc, turned one side into smoking, and one side into non smoking, the smoking section had smoking staff, and yet the pub owner still got done for it.  Madness.  Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #10 - March 04, 2010, 06:40 PM
    option 5. How can you call yourself a free society when the government dictates what you do on your own private premises?
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #11 - March 04, 2010, 06:46 PM
    lol to the person who voted to allow smoking in hospitals - I hope they realise that means the operating theatre too
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  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #12 - March 04, 2010, 06:49 PM
    Hahahha, you find your filled with cig ashes after your bypass.  dance
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #13 - March 04, 2010, 07:05 PM
    I voted #4

    -Introduce a system of quotas in which every town council allocates a number of permits for smoking bars, restaurants, and coffee shops.

    IA, would've thought you went for a more lenient vote...
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  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #14 - March 04, 2010, 07:08 PM

    Even though I'm not a smoker, it just doesn't feel the same going to the pub without the smell of smoke and nicotine in the air, cigarette stubs in the urinal when you go to take a leak, and an ashtray peppered with ash in the middle of your table as you sup your pint. Its just not the same anymore.



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  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #15 - March 04, 2010, 07:10 PM
    Being a smoker > at a club > in the winter > sucks.   Cry  especially being a female smoker > in a mini dress > at a club > in the winter > drinking alcohol.  Cheesy

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #16 - March 04, 2010, 07:12 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on March 04, 2010, 06:49 PM
    Hahahha, you find your filled with cig ashes after your bypass.  dance

    Perhaps they were thinking of the poor lung patient having a ciggie break for relief during stressful surgery. He would even need to exhale, smoke would be billowing out of his body.
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  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #17 - March 04, 2010, 07:13 PM
    I voted for:

    -Ban smoking only in enclosed public areas. Allow private institutions (restaurants, bars, shopping centres..etc) to do as they wish

    I smoke occasionally and at times find the smell of cigarette smoke nauseating but I still feel it's a person's right to smoke if the want to although I do agree that in certain places, like hospitals for instance smoking should not be allowed.

    This whole craze of trying ban smoking everywhere and enforcing a healthy lifestyle on everyone is just too Orwellian for my liking.  I've had enough of the health nazis from living in California for nearly 15 years.
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  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #18 - March 04, 2010, 07:14 PM

    Why can't they invent cancer free cigarettes, smoking looks cool.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #19 - March 04, 2010, 07:17 PM
    The threat of death has cudos, that just would NOT be cool - itd be like the saddo who everyday drinks alcohol-free beer in the pub
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  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #20 - March 04, 2010, 07:19 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 04, 2010, 07:14 PM
    Why can't they invent cancer free cigarettes, smoking looks cool.




    They have, ages ago, herbal ciggies vomit  gross lol wrong kind of herb.   parrot
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #21 - March 04, 2010, 07:24 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 04, 2010, 07:17 PM
    The threat of death has cudos, that just would NOT be cool - itd be like the saddo who everyday drinks alcohol-free beer in the pub


    Yeah thats true.

    If I could guarantee not dying of it, I'd definitely smoke, like if I had three wishes from a genie in a magic lamp, one of them would be cigarette disease immunity.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #22 - March 04, 2010, 07:30 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on March 04, 2010, 07:10 PM
    Being a smoker > at a club > in the winter > sucks.   Cry  especially being a female smoker > in a mini dress > at a club > in the winter > drinking alcohol.  Cheesy


    Isn't that a good way to get chatted up  Wink
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #23 - March 04, 2010, 08:09 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 04, 2010, 07:30 PM
    Isn't that a good way to get chatted up  Wink


    Maybe, but if I'm cold, I'm not chatting back in my best form lol so it's a fail for me.

    Once it gets warmer, it'll be good times and conversations in the smoking outside section.  bunny
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #24 - March 04, 2010, 11:21 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on March 04, 2010, 07:26 AM
    Other-- Establish stronger workplace indoor air quality standards. Nothing specific about tobacco smoke. If these standards can be achieved while allowing smoking (say through good ventilation/air filtration systems) then no problem. Failing that, I would support a total repeal of all smoking bans.

    I don't know Q-Man, just sounds impracticable. I mean how would that work? will the government force private business to meet these standards?
    It also sounds expensive.


    Quote from: J4m3z on March 04, 2010, 07:05 PM
    IA, would've thought you went for a more lenient vote...

    As I said my heart says 5 but with this issue involving harming others I voted 4. I just fear the worst-case scenario like a small town with one smoking bar and no non-smoking bars.
    However, I admit this is very inconsistent of me, being a strong believer in mutualism and the right to privacy.
  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #25 - March 04, 2010, 11:27 PM
    Quote from: z10 on March 04, 2010, 06:40 PM
    option 5. How can you call yourself a free society when the government dictates what you do on your own private premises?


    You do realize it means private premises as in premises that are privately owned, but may still be places that are open to the public, such as coffee shops, restaurants? If you did realize that when you wrote what you did, then does that mean you believe that you should be able to allow murder on your private premises? The similarity being that murder and smoking in public harms people other than the person doing the action.
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  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #26 - March 04, 2010, 11:28 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on March 04, 2010, 11:21 PM
    As I said my heart says 5 but with this issue involving harming others I voted 4. I just fear the worst-case scenario like a small town with one smoking bar and no non-smoking bars.
    However, I admit this is very inconsistent of me, being a strong believer in mutualism and the right to privacy.


    It's very inconsistent of you but...
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #27 - March 04, 2010, 11:34 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on March 04, 2010, 11:27 PM
    You do realize it means private premises as in premises that are privately owned, but may still be places that are open to the public, such as coffee shops, restaurants? If you did realize that when you wrote what you did, then does that mean you believe that you should be able to allow murder on your private premises? The similarity being that murder and smoking in public harms people other than the person doing the action.

    Wow that's some seriously fucked-up logic. Comparing secondary smoking to murder! I didn't expect that from you of all people James.

  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #28 - March 04, 2010, 11:37 PM
    Omg I knew some anally-retentive individual would have a problem with that. If you can't appreciate the point being made, just read it again, think a little harder if you must, and be just a little bit more charitable  Afro thanks.
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  • Re: Smoking bans
     Reply #29 - March 04, 2010, 11:43 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on March 04, 2010, 11:27 PM
    You do realize it means private premises as in premises that are privately owned, but may still be places that are open to the public, such as coffee shops, restaurants? If you did realize that when you wrote what you did, then does that mean you believe that you should be able to allow murder on your private premises? The similarity being that murder and smoking in public harms people other than the person doing the action.


    my friend, freedom does not equate anarchy.
    If a coffee shop labels itself as a smoking institution then everybody entering into that place is complicit in the understanding that there will be second hand smoke around, and that's exactly how a free world should operate. Nobody will be forced inside the coffee shop.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
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