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  • About your videos
     OP - March 16, 2010, 08:04 PM

    Message sent to me today - I have directed the guy here for a response - please feel free to comment:

    About your videos


    Salaam Brother,

    Youre entitled to believe in whatever you want to. You seem to have quite some knowledge in Islam. However, after watching some of your videos, I would like to explain some things to you briefly. It is ashame your faith in such a pure religion shook. You mentioned about HELL in one of your videos, saying it is as if Allah wants to just torture people. Well you do know Allah is Al Rahman (Most Merciful). Allah has 100 parts of his mercy, and only ONE part is sent down on earth (ie: mothers mercy to child, humans mercy on animals, etc), and the other 99 parts of His mercy will be reserved for the day of judgement. Allah WANTS to forgive, rather than punish. However, yes, His punishment is swift, but if one repents, Allah shows that person mercy and forgiveness. If punishment was not severe, do you know how much wrong would be in this world? Islam is all about forgiveness. You made a video of hell. Can you make a video of heaven and one that shows Allahs forgiveness? If not, it is safe to assume you were never a muslim and are just a missionary to sway people from Islam. I strongly suggest you re-consider what you are doing before you see the angel of death. You my friend are dissecting Islam and are going astray. Now, you mention about prophets in Islam and how they all happen to be around Mecca, and that why didn't God send them all around the world. Well, as you said, there were 124,000 prophets. And yes, they were scattered all over the world. The MESSENGERS of Allah were more concentrated around the Arabic continent, but there was a purpose for this. The world at the time was polytheistic. It was the Jews who were monotheistic, which is why they were the chosen group and central point for Allah. It had to start somewhere. The Kaaba (Allah's house) is also in Mecca. There are reasons which you just don't know about. You did HALF your homework. Islam was not meant for a cult or country or tribe- but for MANKIND. You also asked for the REAL ISLAM to stand up. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? You want to express your FREE WILL and opt out of Islam. Well if you ask 10 people about Islam, then yes all 10 may be raised differently and will end up giving you their OPINIONS like yourself. But their 5 Pillars of Islam will always be agreed upon. Also, why ask people when you can read the Quran yourself. It states CLEAR AS DAY: "If you kill ONE innocent person, it is as if you killed all of mankind". This is one example, and there are many more. Why is this so difficult to understand? If you want to read in between the lines, then who knows what your mind can make you think. If you or ANYONE feels ISLAM is a MAN MADE religion, then do some more homework. Look at the science in the Quran and see if a MAN could have that knowledge 1400yrs ago. Also, Islam is the HARDEST religion to follow. Why would a MAN put restrictions on himself? The NEW TESTAMENT allows people to do ANYTHING because supposedly Jesus died for their sins. Well in Islam, a Muslim does this: Pray 5 times a day, fast 30 days (in cold or heat all day), MUST give charity (not optional), lower their gaze, women should cover up, do wudu before praying, wash your butt after going to bathroom, no drinking alocohol, no pork, obedient to parents, etc etc. To all of you who are NON muslim or EX MUSLIMS, please do your OWN homework with an open mind. Islam was spread by the word of mouth, not by a sword. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was thrown rocks at, and he turned the other cheek. I won't say much more, but do your homework!
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #1 - March 16, 2010, 08:07 PM

    Quote
    . Can you make a video of heaven and one that shows Allahs forgiveness? If not, it is safe to assume you were never a muslim and are just a missionary to sway people from Islam.


     Roll Eyes


    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #2 - March 16, 2010, 08:15 PM

    Thanks, brother, but I'll pass.

    So many things are wrong about this message. It was painful to read.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #3 - March 16, 2010, 08:16 PM

    "If you kill ONE innocent person, it is as if you killed all of mankind


    Talk about "reading between the lines"

    1: He missed out "We ordained for the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL"
    2: He missed out "except for causing mischief in the land"

    Muhammad took a beautiful statement from the Mishna (oral Torah) and added an ugly clause.

    I think this statement alone is evidence that the person writing to you has not read the Quran properly.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #4 - March 16, 2010, 08:22 PM

    One of things that always gets me is how some Muslims seem to think that pampering those who submit (without any rational reason) somehow negates his eternal torture of those who don't.

    I believe Saddam Hussein rewarded greatly those who grovelled to him - what a great guy  Afro
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #5 - March 16, 2010, 08:28 PM

    If punishment was not severe, do you know how much wrong would be in this world?

    Wow, so allah must resort to threatening eternal torture just to keep people in line for a few decades on Earth?

    Quote
    I believe Saddam Hussein rewarded greatly those who grovelled to him - what a great guy


    Oh yes, he was such a compassionate leader! But his punishment also had to be severe, otherwise imagine the horrors his followers would have experienced Roll Eyes

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #6 - March 16, 2010, 08:30 PM


    I got a headache reading that, and I'm not sure of exactly what he was saying. It is like a pleading stream of consciousness with lots of words EMPHASISED in capital letters.





    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #7 - March 16, 2010, 08:34 PM

    I got a headache reading that, and I'm not sure of exactly what he was saying. It is like a pleading stream of consciousness with lots of words EMPHASISED in capital letters.


    Yes, it is like most messages I get - just knee-jerk emotional responses that are not thought out logically.

    They really answer themselves and I don't feel any need to reply - if only they could see it.
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #8 - March 16, 2010, 08:35 PM

    Yes, it is like most messages I get - just knee-jerk emotional responses that are not thought out logically.

    They really answer themselves and I don't feel any need to reply - if only they could see it.



    You should reply with this:

    tl;dr

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #9 - March 16, 2010, 08:41 PM

    The same guy added these comments on my page:

    mx399 (9 hours ago) Remove |    Block User |    Spam
    QUICK FACTS that NO MAN made this religion:
    --Muslims pray 5 times a day, So at any given time AROUND the Globe, someone is worshipping God. How perfectly is that setup? A human made this religion?

    --Muslims fast 30 days and it goes by the MOON, so it differs each year (NO FOOD OR WATER from sunrise to sunset, whether in WINTER or SUMMER) (Islam originated in the middle east where it is 100degs. Why would a MAN prevent himself from eating? What does he gain?


    mx399 (9 hours ago) Remove |    Block User |    Spam
    --Muslims HAVE to give charity (a percentage), they HAVE to help the unfortunate, they have to LOWER their gaze, women have to cover up (who does not want to see gorgeous bodies), they cannot drink alcohol (who does not want to get buzzed just a little), etc etc.

    --Why would a HUMAN put these restrictions on themselves and ask for NO credit? Muslims bow to God, not Muhammad. We do not even have ONE image of Muhammad because he did not want anyone to worship him. We worship God, PERIOD!
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #10 - March 16, 2010, 08:55 PM

    Tell him to read sira, hadith and tafsir, and the Quran obviously. Otherwise stfu.
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #11 - March 16, 2010, 10:08 PM

    The same guy added these comments on my page:

    mx399 (9 hours ago) Remove |    Block User |    Spam
    QUICK FACTS that NO MAN made this religion:
    --Muslims pray 5 times a day, So at any given time AROUND the Globe, someone is worshipping God. How perfectly is that setup? A human made this religion?

    --Muslims fast 30 days and it goes by the MOON, so it differs each year (NO FOOD OR WATER from sunrise to sunset, whether in WINTER or SUMMER) (Islam originated in the middle east where it is 100degs. Why would a MAN prevent himself from eating? What does he gain?


    mx399 (9 hours ago) Remove |    Block User |    Spam
    --Muslims HAVE to give charity (a percentage), they HAVE to help the unfortunate, they have to LOWER their gaze, women have to cover up (who does not want to see gorgeous bodies), they cannot drink alcohol (who does not want to get buzzed just a little), etc etc.

    --Why would a HUMAN put these restrictions on themselves and ask for NO credit? Muslims bow to God, not Muhammad. We do not even have ONE image of Muhammad because he did not want anyone to worship him. We worship God, PERIOD!



    The old argument "It is so bad that it obviously isn't made up"  Cheesy

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #12 - March 16, 2010, 10:55 PM

    --Muslims pray 5 times a day, So at any given time AROUND the Globe, someone is worshipping God. How perfectly is that setup? A human made this religion?

    --Muslims fast 30 days and it goes by the MOON, so it differs each year (NO FOOD OR WATER from sunrise to sunset, whether in WINTER or SUMMER) (Islam originated in the middle east where it is 100degs. Why would a MAN prevent himself from eating? What does he gain?


    These are very effective brainwashing techniques.

    Quote
    -Muslims HAVE to give charity (a percentage), they HAVE to help the unfortunate,


     Draws in the rich by making them feel arrogantly superior (but in a holy way) about their status and ability to "give charity"
    + Draws in the poor by making them eligible to receive money/food from their "fellow" Muslims
    = Grow your membership doubly fast!

    Quote
    they have to LOWER their gaze, women have to cover up (who does not want to see gorgeous bodies)


    Making men morally afraid to look at women, and telling women to hide their beauty equates a woman's body and physical attributes with evil, and goes a long way toward oppressing and controlling women.

    Quote
    they cannot drink alcohol (who does not want to get buzzed just a little), etc etc.


    It makes it very easy to feel morally superior to those filthy pagans who intoxicate themselves.

    Quote
    Why would a HUMAN put these restrictions on themselves and ask for NO credit? Muslims bow to God, not Muhammad. We do not even have ONE image of Muhammad because he did not want anyone to worship him. We worship God, PERIOD!



    Except for when Muslims put most of their time and energy toward idolizing Mohammed as the perfect example, anally following every last minute detail of his actions and words in order to be more perfectly like him, professing their love and devotion above all else to him, and threatening acts of violence and terrorism when someone dares to insult Mohammed (by naming a cute teddy after him, or drawing a humorous sketch) but don't bother to notice or become offended when anyone may insult allah. They even end their worship to god (salaat) with prayers and blessings on Mohammed.

    But yeah, definitely not man-made. It's exactly how god wanted it Roll Eyes

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #13 - March 16, 2010, 11:06 PM

    Message sent to me today - I have directed the guy here for a response - please feel free to comment:

    About your videos


    Salaam Brother,

    Youre entitled to believe in whatever you want to. You seem to have quite some knowledge in Islam. However, after watching some of your videos, I would like to explain some things to you briefly. It is ashame your faith in such a pure religion shook. You mentioned about HELL in one of your videos, saying it is as if Allah wants to just torture people. Well you do know Allah is Al Rahman (Most Merciful). Allah has 100 parts of his mercy, and only ONE part is sent down on earth (ie: mothers mercy to child, humans mercy on animals, etc), and the other 99 parts of His mercy will be reserved for the day of judgement. Allah WANTS to forgive, rather than punish. However, yes, His punishment is swift, but if one repents, Allah shows that person mercy and forgiveness. If punishment was not severe, do you know how much wrong would be in this world? Islam is all about forgiveness. You made a video of hell. Can you make a video of heaven and one that shows Allahs forgiveness? If not, it is safe to assume you were never a muslim and are just a missionary to sway people from Islam. I strongly suggest you re-consider what you are doing before you see the angel of death. You my friend are dissecting Islam and are going astray. Now, you mention about prophets in Islam and how they all happen to be around Mecca, and that why didn't God send them all around the world. Well, as you said, there were 124,000 prophets. And yes, they were scattered all over the world. The MESSENGERS of Allah were more concentrated around the Arabic continent, but there was a purpose for this. The world at the time was polytheistic. It was the Jews who were monotheistic, which is why they were the chosen group and central point for Allah. It had to start somewhere. The Kaaba (Allah's house) is also in Mecca. There are reasons which you just don't know about. You did HALF your homework. Islam was not meant for a cult or country or tribe- but for MANKIND. You also asked for the REAL ISLAM to stand up. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? You want to express your FREE WILL and opt out of Islam. Well if you ask 10 people about Islam, then yes all 10 may be raised differently and will end up giving you their OPINIONS like yourself. But their 5 Pillars of Islam will always be agreed upon. Also, why ask people when you can read the Quran yourself. It states CLEAR AS DAY: "If you kill ONE innocent person, it is as if you killed all of mankind". This is one example, and there are many more. Why is this so difficult to understand? If you want to read in between the lines, then who knows what your mind can make you think. If you or ANYONE feels ISLAM is a MAN MADE religion, then do some more homework. Look at the science in the Quran and see if a MAN could have that knowledge 1400yrs ago. Also, Islam is the HARDEST religion to follow. Why would a MAN put restrictions on himself? The NEW TESTAMENT allows people to do ANYTHING because supposedly Jesus died for their sins. Well in Islam, a Muslim does this: Pray 5 times a day, fast 30 days (in cold or heat all day), MUST give charity (not optional), lower their gaze, women should cover up, do wudu before praying, wash your butt after going to bathroom, no drinking alocohol, no pork, obedient to parents, etc etc. To all of you who are NON muslim or EX MUSLIMS, please do your OWN homework with an open mind. Islam was spread by the word of mouth, not by a sword. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was thrown rocks at, and he turned the other cheek. I won't say much more, but do your homework!


    Honestly Hassan, I would not respond if I were you. The guy who gave you that message won't listen, even if you try to reason with him. Anyone who says that you were never a Muslim and that you must be a Christian missionary should be ignored. Afro

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #14 - March 16, 2010, 11:14 PM

    The old argument "It is so bad that it obviously isn't made up"  Cheesy

     Cheesy
    "I wouldn't make that shit up" is what he is saying.

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #15 - March 17, 2010, 12:09 AM

    --Why would a HUMAN put these restrictions on themselves and ask for NO credit? Muslims bow to God, not Muhammad. We do not even have ONE image of Muhammad because he did not want anyone to worship him. We worship God, PERIOD!
    [/b]


    According to Muhammad's own reasoning Muslims worship him.

    He said that the Christians and Jews worship thier monks and scholars by giving them the legislative power to permit and prohibit certain things. Since Muhammad himself had this power and did forbid certain things (like music or playing chess) and since Muslims follow these prohibitions, it therefore follows that Muslims worship Muhammad.

    I've put this question to Muslims but I didn't get an answer.
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #16 - March 17, 2010, 12:18 AM

    oh man you must be right.  We worship muhammad there is no other possible interpretation of your words!
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #17 - March 17, 2010, 12:20 AM

    One of things that always gets me is how some Muslims seem to think that pampering those who submit (without any rational reason) somehow negates his eternal torture of those who don't.  Afro


    I would suggest all muslims would accept good is its own reward and likewise evil
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #18 - March 17, 2010, 12:36 AM

    I would suggest all muslims would accept good is its own reward and likewise evil


    That makes no sense. To say "good is its own reward" means that you do good for the sake of doing good, with no other reward. The Muslims I know are ALL about the rewards for their good deeds. Most hadiths that talk about good deeds mention the specific reward that goes with it. Rewards are definitely the motivation for Muslims to do good deeds. And on the other hand, punishment is the deterrent from doing bad deeds. I don't know of ANY Muslim who would say "doing evil is its own reward," which essentially means there will be no consequences. Maybe you meant to say something like, "what goes around comes around." If that's the case then it seems the rewards for doing good are enough to negate the depravity of being eternally punished brutally for a finite amount of arbitrarily defined bad deeds.

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #19 - March 17, 2010, 12:41 AM

    sorry was just quoting the quran but if you know better
    Is there any reward for good other than good)(55:60
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #20 - March 17, 2010, 12:42 AM

    you do good for the sake of doing good,


    philisophically could it be anything other than that?
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #21 - March 17, 2010, 12:44 AM

    Honestly Hassan, I would not respond if I were you. The guy who gave you that message won't listen, even if you try to reason with him. Anyone who says that you were never a Muslim and that you must be a Christian missionary should be ignored. Afro


    Sigh, us ex Christian missionaries get such a bad rep

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #22 - March 17, 2010, 12:47 AM

    oh man you must be right.  We worship muhammad there is no other possible interpretation of your words!


    So what do you think? You think I'm wrong? Feel free to enlighten me.
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #23 - March 17, 2010, 12:50 AM

    hmm ok well no we dont worship muhammad.
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #24 - March 17, 2010, 12:52 AM

    Sigh, us ex Christian missionaries get such a bad rep

     Cheesy

    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #25 - March 17, 2010, 12:54 AM

    I think the fact that the original commentor framed almost all the actions that make Muslims "good" in such negative terms, Muslims "have to" ( implying force instead of voluntary action) "Muslims can't get drunk" ( again implying a barrier against willful action) says a lot about his unconcious desires to do such things.  Really being a Muslim hasn't "changed the man" he is simply afraid of social pressure or eternal punishment.  Seems pretty petty.  I want to do something, but a sky god says I cant or my Muslim brothers will nag me.

     I'd prefer, " I WANT to give to charity because I WANT to help my fellow human beings, or I WANT to stay sober because I LIKE to take CARE of my body, etc."

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #26 - March 17, 2010, 12:56 AM

    I think the fact that the original commentor framed almost all the actions that make Muslims "good" in such negative terms, Muslims "have to" ( implying force instead of voluntary action, can't get drunk ( again implying a barrier against willful action) says a lot about his unconcious desires to do such things.  Really being a Muslim hasn't "changed the man" he is simply afraid of social pressure or eternal punishment.  Seems pretty petty.  I want to do something, but a sky god says I cant or my Muslim brothers will nag me.

     I'd prefer, " I WANT to give to charity because I WANT to help my fellow human beings, or I WANT to stay sober because I LIKE to take CARE of my body, etc."

    You're right, but sadly religions like that dont spread.

    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #27 - March 17, 2010, 12:57 AM

    people are people with all our warts.  its more where the good takes you that makes the person. And in that respect I would concur one needs to question ones motives.
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #28 - March 17, 2010, 12:58 AM

    hmm ok well no we dont worship muhammad.


    Oh, ok.
  • Re: About your videos
     Reply #29 - March 17, 2010, 12:59 AM

    You're right, but sadly religions like that dont spread.


    Surely you are not saying the major religions have not inspired some of the noblest and most selfless individuals
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