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Reply #270 - March 17, 2010, 08:36 PM

Yes.

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Reply #271 - March 17, 2010, 08:36 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 17, 2010, 08:35 PM
is he wrong?

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Yes.

Shut this thread down now. Its perfect!!

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Reply #272 - March 17, 2010, 08:37 PM

lol, I think i saw a mention of tiger woods in that wall of text. wtf.

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Reply #273 - March 17, 2010, 08:38 PM

Quote from: Hassan on March 17, 2010, 08:31 PM
Like i said, NO MAN would make this relgion. Why the restrictions??

The self proving statement!

"This religion is obviously from God, this is self evident because the rules are so strict to follow that nobody would follow them unless they were from God".

Praying 5 times a day and fasting for a few months is NOTHING compared to some African religions that mutilate their daughters' vaginas - "No man would make that religion" either.

There is a saying. The more unbelievable it is the more true it must be, because NOBODY would make up something so unbelievable!

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Reply #274 - March 17, 2010, 08:39 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 17, 2010, 08:32 PM
only insofar as any legal systems provides for that.

Sorry I didn't understand that response - Forgive me, I can be a bit slow sometimes.

Just to repeat the question - "How do you decide in what context/time parts of this "timeless Shari'ah" should be applied and what parts are not to be applied?"
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Reply #275 - March 17, 2010, 08:40 PM

Quote from: IsLame on March 17, 2010, 08:28 PM
Are you saying that atheists have less pure souls and are less morally pure than theists? You really need to think a little more about the arguments you make.

I dont think he was saying that, certainly not if we are talking simply about the labels some apply. But someone who has no moral code is distinct from someone who does.
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Reply #276 - March 17, 2010, 08:45 PM

Quote from: Hassan on March 17, 2010, 08:39 PM
Sorry I didn't understand that response - Forgive me, I can be a bit slow sometimes.

Just to repeat the question - "How do you decide in what context/time parts of this "timeless Shari'ah" should be applied and what parts are not to be applied?"

dont get carried away, i said I believe in those items you listed, in one sense, but not in the caricatured narrow sense. So when I say I believe that Islam provides guidance for all times I believe it is applicable in all times. How that is applied through the Sharia will change just as in any legal tradition their are immutable and mutable features and even circumstances where specific injunctions need to be suspended in preference to other injunctions.
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Reply #277 - March 17, 2010, 08:47 PM

Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 17, 2010, 08:00 PM
So you know that most if not all hadiths were only passed down by word of mouth for over a hundered years before they were actually doccumented (don't you think this would have made them totally unreliable). You know there is obvious corruption in the hadith.

The Quran was passed down in a similar fashion over 30 years.
Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 17, 2010, 08:00 PM
But you're still willing to trust them just because other humans centuries ago happened to beleive in them?

So can I put the same question to you about the Quran?

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Reply #278 - March 17, 2010, 08:50 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 17, 2010, 08:40 PM
I dont think he was saying that, certainly not if we are talking simply about the labels some apply. But someone who has no moral code is distinct from someone who does.

In that case who doesnt have a moral code apart from psychopaths (who I would argue have one too)

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Reply #279 - March 17, 2010, 08:52 PM

and Islame from where do you derive this code
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Reply #280 - March 17, 2010, 08:56 PM

Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 17, 2010, 07:23 PM
So terribly sad.

I don't think he meant you though.

Besides I see what you are coming from, genes, are we only genes? Then why create art? Why sacrifice our lives? For strangers? In wars? For children and so on.

What is it that makes us bigger than our genes? Is this free will?

So many questions, so much porn. Choices, choices.

The thing I try not posit anything, I would also like to know the answer to your question Abu
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Reply #281 - March 17, 2010, 08:58 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 17, 2010, 08:45 PM
dont get carried away, i said I believe in those items you listed, in one sense, but not in the caricatured narrow sense. So when I say I believe that Islam provides guidance for all times I believe it is applicable in all times. How that is applied through the Sharia will change just as in any legal tradition their are immutable and mutable features and even circumstances where specific injunctions need to be suspended in preference to other injunctions.

Yes I understand that, but how do you decide what specific areas are applicable in a context and what is not. For example you said that you do not believe that marriage should be allowed between a 53 year old and a 9 year old in our context today. Other Muslims would disagree with you.

If this is the timeless divine law we are talking about, then what is the point if it ends up simply being a matter of opinion?

Many would say stoning, beheading apostates, flogging adulterers, throwing gays off tall buildings, allowing slaves, chopping hands off thieves, and hitting ones wife are all part of this "Timeless Shari'ah" - others disagree.

I'm interested in how you decide on what should be applied and what not and in what context etc...

It seems to me to undermine the whole idea of a timeless divine law if the basis of that is personal opinion - and if Muslims can't agree on what this divine law actually is - or what parts and when and where it should be applied - don't you think?
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Reply #282 - March 17, 2010, 09:00 PM

Quote from: abuyunus2 on March 17, 2010, 08:00 PM
So you know that most if not all hadiths were only passed down by word of mouth for over a hundered years before they were actually doccumented (don't you think this would have made them totally unreliable). You know there is obvious corruption in the hadith. But you're still willing to trust them just because other humans centuries ago happened to beleive in them?

ROFL

And the Quran? How was that handed down? Gutenberg's Press?
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Reply #283 - March 17, 2010, 09:00 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 17, 2010, 08:52 PM
and Islame from where do you derive this code

Funny but this question has been asked in so many forms here in this thread not one of you has followed up with a response yet you are like feeding piranhas once you get a muslim in!!!
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Reply #284 - March 17, 2010, 09:04 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 17, 2010, 08:35 PM
is he wrong?

Yes - he is brainwashed and wrong.

Why doesn't he sign up to debate here, why ask Hassan to post his comments for him, I wonder why.

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Reply #285 - March 17, 2010, 09:05 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 17, 2010, 09:00 PM
Funny but this question has been asked in so many forms here in this thread not one of you has followed up with a response yet you are like feeding piranhas once you get a muslim in!!!

I'm happy to answer that - I don't follow any specific or written code - I just make my moral decisions on a case by case basis and use my conscience/intuition. I believe we all have a moral compass - whether that is a Fitrah given by God or something evolved within us as a result of the necessity to survive in groups/society etc... I don't know.
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Reply #286 - March 17, 2010, 09:05 PM

Quote from: Hassan on March 17, 2010, 08:31 PM
A message to you all from the guy in the original post:

ROFL OMG

I couldn't get past the first paragraph. Hey dude if you are reading this. We have sex with each other. Yes all bisexual sex, sometimes we involve blood and food. I liked to get pissed on. Maybe poop once in a blue month. But we never, we never fuck a 9 year old. That's because we know better

Now if you don't mind I need to get ready for the next orgy analsex is 4un!!!!
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Reply #287 - March 17, 2010, 09:08 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 17, 2010, 09:00 PM
Funny but this question has been asked in so many forms here in this thread not one of you has followed up with a response yet you are like feeding piranhas once you get a muslim in!!!

I think its so obvious that people derive moral codes from many sources - so obvious that people don't even feel the need to enunciate it.

You, on the other hand, follow a moral code that deems an elevated 50 year old prophet raping a 9 year old girl as being the eternal perfect man to be emulated forever, and a penal code based in backwards stone age desert morality.

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #288 - March 17, 2010, 09:10 PM

Quote from: Hassan on March 17, 2010, 08:58 PM

Quote from: Hassan on March 17, 2010, 08:58 PM
Yes I understand that, but how do you decide what specific areas are applicable in a context and what is not. For example you said that you do not believe that marriage should be allowed between a 53 year old and a 9 year old in our context today. Others would disagree with you.

If this is the timeless divine law we are talking about, then what is the point if it end up just being a matter of opinion and interpretation with views of what is and is not part of this divine code of life and when and where it should be applied or not?

Many would say stoning, beheading apostates, flogging adulterers, throwing gays off tall buildings, allowing slaves, chopping hands off thieves, and hitting ones wife are all part of this "Timeless Shari'ah" - others disagree.

I'm interested in how you decide on what should be applied and what not and in what context etc...

It seems to me to undermine the whole idea of a timeless divine law if Muslims can't agree on what that actually is and what parts and when and where it should be applied - don't you think?

That is because you crave black and white, like some of the others here I guess if you were a muslim it would have to be of the salafi brand as presumably you would feel its literal interpretation is the most obvious. You would like to have seen a quranic guidance that proved God existed. Left us in no doubt and didnt present contradictions. If God wanted us to know him why not make it less ambiguous etc. You miss the point that what leads a soul to good is his heart. And that inner wisdom discerns right from wrong. It cant be taught or rationalised. As a result man will bicker over the detail and states and communities will squabble and fight. The real test is what you learn from it and how you develop and grow as an individual how you take on your responsibilities to friends and family and community and thus enoble your soul
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Reply #289 - March 17, 2010, 09:12 PM

Quote from: Hassan on March 17, 2010, 09:05 PM
I'm happy to answer that - I don't follow any specific or written code - I just make my moral decisions on a case by case basis and use my conscience/intuition. I believe we all have a moral compass - whether that is a Fitrah given by God or something evolved within us as a result of the necessity to survive in groups/society etc... I don't know.

but you beleive it is external to you that is has a reality beyond yourself
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Reply #290 - March 17, 2010, 09:13 PM

Quote from: billy on March 17, 2010, 09:08 PM
I think its so obvious that people derive moral codes from many sources - so obvious that people don't even feel the need to enunciate it.

oh biully please enunciate!
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Reply #291 - March 17, 2010, 09:16 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 17, 2010, 09:10 PM
That is because you crave black and white, like some of the others here I guess if you were a muslim it would have to be of the salafi brand as presumably you would feel its literal interpretation is the most obvious. You would like to have seen a quranic guidance that proved God existed. Left us in no doubt and didnt present contradictions. If God wanted us to know him why not make it less ambiguous etc. You miss the point that what leads a soul to good is his heart. And that inner wisdom discerns right from wrong. It cant be taught or rationalised. As a result man will bicker over the detail and states and communities will squabble and fight. The real test is what you learn from it and how you develop and grow as an individual how you take on your responsibilities to friends and family and community and thus enoble your soul

I'm not craving black and white - I accept we are struggling with difficult - sometimes insoluble - issues every day where there may not be a right answer - and in that struggle there may be some meaning or benefit for our soul or character in some way. I see the world full of grey areas.

You are the one that claims there is a Divine Law that sets out right and wrong and what we should and should not do - not me.

It is also you that seems to believe in a God who would torture us for eternity if we get it wrong.
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Reply #292 - March 17, 2010, 09:16 PM

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oh biully please enunciate!

lightrays, people don't need religion, certainly not the religion of nine-year-old-girl raping Mohammad, to have a moral code and compass. People's morality is formed by the culture of laws and reciprocal considerations formulated by society and family. These are innate. They are formed from many different sources. Its incredible that you have to ask this. Its so obvious, it doesn't really need to be said.

Now, why do you revere a man who raped a nine year old girl? Please enunciate.

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Reply #293 - March 17, 2010, 09:18 PM

lightrays

Did he do her doggy-style or maybe missionary?
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Reply #294 - March 17, 2010, 09:19 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 17, 2010, 09:12 PM
but you beleive it is external to you that is has a reality beyond yourself

No - I said I don't know. I am open to the possibility it is external, from some sort of God, Cosmic force - but I am also open to the possibility it is just an evolved instinct - or survival mechanism.
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Reply #295 - March 17, 2010, 09:20 PM

"the culture of laws and reciprocal considerations formulated by society and family. These are innate"
that is the basis of how you discern good. And these are innate you say Billy
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Reply #296 - March 17, 2010, 09:22 PM

Quote from: Hassan on March 17, 2010, 09:19 PM
No - I said I don't know. I am open to the possibility it is external, from some sort of God, Cosmic force - but I am also open to the possibility it is just an evolved instinct - or survival mechanism.

ok Billy feels this is innate not learned. How do you access it Hassan? A compass points clearly to a direction. How do you know it is guiding you to good?
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Reply #297 - March 17, 2010, 09:27 PM

We don't need the morality of a religion that divides humanity into believers and kuffars, teaching hatred for the overwhelming majority of humanity who don't follow Islam, spitting on and cursing them.

We don't need the morality of a religion that treats women, half of humanity, as lesser beings to be oppressed and shackled.

We don't need the moral code of a religion that considers it a duty to try to snuff out all other religions and cultures to make them submit to its supremacist self.

We don't need the moral code of a religion that says that dissenters and apostates should be MURDERED for 'betraying' the faith.

lightrays, where does YOUR moral code come from?

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Reply #298 - March 17, 2010, 09:29 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 17, 2010, 09:20 PM
"the culture of laws and reciprocal considerations formulated by society and family. These are innate"
that is the basis of how you discern good. And these are innate you say Billy

They are innate because they have been formed by humans individually and collectively.

Now please answer my questions above, regarding your moral source code.

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Reply #299 - March 17, 2010, 09:30 PM

how do you know what is good then billy (or anyone)
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