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 Topic: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?

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  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #30 - March 26, 2010, 06:31 PM

    Is it only me who noticed the mathematical fail here? What I mean is he jumps from "3 (dog being the 4th)" to "5 (dog being the 6th)" to "7 (dog being the 8th)" without accounting for "4 (dog being the 5th)" and "6 (dog being the 7th)". It used to bother me every Friday when I read it, but always just ignore it.


    Me too - it looks weird!

    Sufis will say that's coz 4 it the REAL number lol

    Mind u some say 7 is coz it's last.

    and some say it's 8 coz he didn't mention that.

    etc...

  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #31 - March 26, 2010, 06:36 PM

    Jews to Quraysh: Ask him about how many sleepers there were then you will know if he is really a Prophet of God.

    Quraysh: "How many sleepers were there?"

    Mo: "Erm... well some say 4 or 6 or 7 - but God doesn't want to tell you!."

    Quraysh:: "Yes, he's a prophet - no doubt about it!"

  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #32 - March 26, 2010, 06:40 PM


    and some say it's 8 coz he didn't mention that.

    I dont get this logic, why cant it be 9,10 or 375?

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  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #33 - March 26, 2010, 08:46 PM

    Is it only me who noticed the mathematical fail here? What I mean is he jumps from "3 (dog being the 4th)" to "5 (dog being the 6th)" to "7 (dog being the 8th)" without accounting for "4 (dog being the 5th)" and "6 (dog being the 7th)". It used to bother me every Friday when I read it, but always just ignore it.


    Actually that never bothered me and seemed quite normal since Islam revolves around odd numbers. Mo musta loved 'em.

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  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #34 - March 26, 2010, 08:59 PM

    Actually that never bothered me and seemed quite normal since Islam revolves around odd numbers. Mo musta loved 'em.


    I heard that Muhammad was literally scared of even numbers. He had a phobia of them or something.
  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #35 - March 26, 2010, 09:03 PM

    Mo, if you're reading this from up above, here's a message for you..

    "2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20"  bunny

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  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #36 - March 26, 2010, 09:05 PM

    Cheesy

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #37 - March 26, 2010, 09:08 PM

    Mo, if you're reading this from up above, here's a message for you..

    "2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20"  bunny


    Ha!

    Really though, I think it's true. There are probably some hadith about it or something.
  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #38 - March 26, 2010, 09:11 PM

    Cheesy
    I heard that Muhammad was literally scared of even numbers. He had a phobia of them or something.

    I never heard that but I wouldn't be surprised, he was a pretty crazy sob. His favorite odd number was obviously 7... maybe because it has anti-even-number abilities?

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  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #39 - March 26, 2010, 09:28 PM

    I think there's a hadith where he says that Allah is odd (as in being 1; an odd number) and he loves odd numbers.

    I'll try and dig it up.

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #40 - March 26, 2010, 09:30 PM

    I think there's a hadith where he says that Allah is odd (as in being 1; an odd number) and he loves odd numbers.


    Just when you think Islam couldn't be any stupider...

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #41 - March 26, 2010, 09:54 PM

    It seems fishy thats for sure. I wonder how Muslims explain that one.

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  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #42 - March 26, 2010, 10:13 PM

    Hassan starts  thread with
    Quote
    I used to give the Friday sermon in the masjid at Islamia School sometimes.

    So Hassan were you as good as this one.. ..lol..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9H4b9hr18

    My goodness.. Hell .. That boy badly needs some Psychiatric  Help..

    Well All Muslims need that..

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #43 - March 27, 2010, 01:46 AM

    If ya'll haven't heard, it's seven, see "The Seven Sleepers of Ephesus"


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  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #44 - March 27, 2010, 09:38 AM

    I've been hearing (not actively listening) the surat Al Kahf every Friday on the radio for years now, and that Khidr story you guys mentioned has always been disturbing to me. I never read anything about it, except the verses in that surat, and the way I found to justify that man killing the young boy was a bit ridiculous. I thought he was actually God or an Angel, come down to see Moses, and since he has divine power it was ok for him to kill the kid (and sink the ships and all that).

    Ridiculous, I know.

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    And he's the mother of grief
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  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #45 - March 27, 2010, 10:58 AM

    I've been hearing (not actively listening) the surat Al Kahf every Friday on the radio for years now, and that Khidr story you guys mentioned has always been disturbing to me. I never read anything about it, except the verses in that surat, and the way I found to justify that man killing the young boy was a bit ridiculous. I thought he was actually God or an Angel, come down to see Moses, and since he has divine power it was ok for him to kill the kid (and sink the ships and all that).

    Ridiculous, I know.


    What still amazes me is how things that now seem so obviously stupid - back when I was a Muslim seemed fine.

    I still don't understand why?
  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #46 - March 27, 2010, 12:20 PM

    What still amazes me is how things that now seem so obviously stupid - back when I was a Muslim seemed fine.

    I still don't understand why?

    Faith

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #47 - March 27, 2010, 12:27 PM

    If ya'll haven't heard, it's seven, see "The Seven Sleepers of Ephesus"




    Muhammad was a bit like a circus entertainer picking up on fables and myths and elaborating on them to wow his audience.

    His favourite source was the Bible and in particular the Old Testament - but he often got things a bit mixed up - or perhaps it was the sectarian milieu in Madina, far removed from the main centers of Judaism and Christianity that had the stories already jumbled up and Muhammad just picked up on them. Here's an example fro Suratul Baqara verses 67 - 73:

    And remember Moses said to his people: "Allah commands that ye sacrifice a heifer." They said: "Makest thou a laughing-stock of us?" He said: "Allah save me from being an ignorant (fool)!"

    They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what (heifer) it is!" He said; "He says: The heifer should be neither too old nor too young, but of middling age. Now do what ye are commanded!"

    They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us Her colour." He said: "He says: A fawn-coloured heifer, pure and rich in tone, the admiration of beholders!"

    They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what she is: To us are all heifers alike: We wish indeed for guidance, if Allah wills."

    He said: "He says: A heifer not trained to till the soil or water the fields; sound and without blemish." They said: "Now hast thou brought the truth." Then they offered her in sacrifice, but not with good-will.

    Remember ye slew a man and fell into a dispute among yourselves as to the crime: But Allah was to bring forth what ye did hide.

    So We said: "Strike the (body) with a piece of the (heifer)." Thus Allah bringeth the dead to life and showeth you His Signs: Perchance ye may understand.


    Now have a look at this from the Old Testament - see a resemblance  grin12

    Deuteronomy 21:1-9

    If a man is found slain, lying in a field in the land the LORD your God is giving you to possess, and it is not known who killed him, your elders and judges shall go out and measure the distance from the body to the neighboring towns. Then the elders of the town nearest the body shall take a heifer that has never been worked and has never worn a yoke and lead her down to a valley that has not been plowed or planted and where there is a flowing stream. There in the valley they are to break the heifer's neck. The priests, the sons of Levi, shall step forward, for the LORD your God has chosen them to minister and to pronounce blessings in the name of the LORD and to decide all cases of dispute and assault. Then all the elders of the town nearest the body shall wash their hands over the heifer whose neck was broken in the valley,and they shall declare: "Our hands did not shed this blood, nor did our eyes see it done. Accept this atonement for your people Israel, whom you have redeemed, O LORD, and do not hold your people guilty of the blood of an innocent man." And the bloodshed will be atoned for. So you will purge from yourselves the guilt of shedding innocent blood, since you have done what is right in the eyes of the LORD.



    btw I hope modern police forces take note - if you want to solve a murder, you need to kill a cow and slap the dead body with a bit of it.
  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #48 - March 27, 2010, 12:31 PM

    Faith


    Yes - it really clouds one's judgement to an amazing extent - and subconsciously!
  • Re: Has Anyone Ever Delivered a Khutba?
     Reply #49 - March 27, 2010, 01:18 PM

    Yes - it really clouds one's judgement to an amazing extent - and subconsciously!

    I think it takes control of one's faculties by learning to faithfully relinquish them to God, the one who knows best. 

    Thats why you find so many otherwise intelligent people capable of believing in flying donkeys, miraculous fly's wings & talking ants!

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