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  • The Religion of Peace
     OP - April 05, 2010, 04:02 PM

    I was collecting some of the violent verses and hadith etc for someone and so thought I'd post them here just for reference.

    Qur'an

    "Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.." (9:5)

    "Fight the unbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you. (9:123)

    "Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain." (9:111)

    "Fight those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. ." (9:29)

    "Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah." (8:39)

    "Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers. " (9:14)

    "O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence. " (8:65)

    "O ye who believe! What aileth you that when it is said unto you: Go forth in the way of Allah, ye are bowed down to the ground with heaviness. Take ye pleasure in the life of the world rather than in the Hereafter? The comfort of the life of the world is but little in the Hereafter. " (9:38)

    "Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers. " (2:193)

    "When ye meet the unbelievers in battle, then it is smiting of the necks (chop off their heads) until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds (take captives); and afterward either grace (let them go) or ransom them, till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain. " (47:4)

    "Fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearer, Knower." (2:244)

    "Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure. " (61:4)

    "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." (4:74)

    "So fight (O Muhammad) in the way of Allah Thou art not taxed (with the responsibility for anyone) except thyself - and urge on the believers. Peradventure Allah will restrain the might of those who disbelieve. Allah is stronger in might and stronger in inflicting punishment." (4:84)

    "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward" (4:95)

    "He who forsakes his home in the cause of Allah, finds in the earth Many a refuge, wide and spacious: Should he die as a refugee from home for Allah and His Messenger, His reward becomes due and sure with Allah: And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. " (4:100)

    "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain, and you hope from Allah what they do not hope; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.." (4:104)

    "Do not think that those who are killed in the way of Allah are dead, for indeed they are alive, even though you are not aware." (3.169 )

    "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end."  (9:73)

    "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do." (8:39)

    "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly." (8:60)

    "Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward." (4:74)

    "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless manoeuvring for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end." (8.15-15)


    Verse often quoted to say killing innocents is not allowed:

    On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person - unless it be in retaliation for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew all mankind: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all humanity.  (5.32) (NOTE: What they fail to mention is what constitutes spreading “mischief” in Islam. Looking to other verses found within the Quran, mischief can and does apply to someone who simply does not accept Islam and this loophole allows a huge variety of people to be accused of "spreading mischief".)



    Hadith

    "I have been ordered to fight against all the people until they testify that there is no god but Allah" (Bukhari)

    "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought." (Muslim)

    "The Prophet said: 'I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.'" (Muslim)

    'Who fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the Way of Allah.'" (Muslim)


    Permission for killing innocents:

    "The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." (Bukhari)

    It is narrated by Sa'b b. Jaththama that he said (to the Holy Prophet)" Messenger of Allah, we kill the children of the polytheists during the night raids". He said: "They are from them". (Muslim)

    'A single endeavor of fighting in Allah's Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it.'" ( Sahih Bukhari)
    "One who is slain in the way of Allah is a martyr" (Bukhari)
     "The Messenger said: 'Anybody who equips a warrior going to Fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights ." (Muslim)

    "The Messenger said: 'One who is wounded in the Way of Allah will appear on the Day of Judgment with his wound still bleeding. The color (of discharge) will be blood, (but) its smell will be musk.'" (Muslim)

    "Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: 'Whoever amongst us is killed as a Martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen." (Bukhari)

    13. Muslim: C34B20N4652-3 "The Merit Of Jihad And Of Keeping Vigilance Over The Enemy: A man came to the Holy Prophet and said: 'Who is the best of men?' He replied: 'A man who fights staking his life and spending his wealth in Allah's Cause.'"

    "The Prophet said: 'This religion will continue to exist, and a group of people from the Muslims will continue to Fight for its protection until the Hour is established.'" (Muslim)

     "A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, 'Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad in reward.' He replied, 'I do not find such a deed.'" (Bukhari)

    "Allah's Apostle was asked, 'What is the best deed?' He replied, 'To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.' The questioner then asked, 'What is the next best in goodness?' He replied, 'To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause.'" (Bukhari)

    'He who fights that Allah's Word, Islam, should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause.'" (Bukhari)
    
"Believers who sit home and those who go out for Jihad in Allah's Cause are not equal." (Muslim)

    "Someone asked, 'Allah's Apostle, who is the best among the people?' He replied, 'A believer who strives his utmost in Allah's Cause with his life and property.'" (Bukhari)
    'Paradise has one hundred grades which Allah has reserved for the Mujahidin who Fight in His Cause.'" (Bukhari)

     'He who equips a warrior in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights and he who looks after the family of a warrior in the Allah's Cause in fact participated in the battle.'" (Muslim)
    The Messenger of Allah was asked: 'What deed could be equivalent to Jihad in the Cause of Allah? He answered: 'You do not have the strength to do that deed.'The question was repeated twice or thrice. Every time he answered: 'You do not have the strength to do it.' When the question was asked for the third time, he said: 'One who goes out for Jihad is like a person who keeps fasts and stands in prayer forever, never exhibiting any weariness until the Mujihid returns from Jihad.'" (Muslim)

    'Leaving for Jihad in the Way of Allah in the morning or in the evening will merit a reward better than the world and all that is in it.'" (Muslim)

    "Muhammad stood up among his Companions to deliver his sermon in which he told them that Jihad in Allah's Cause and belief in Allah were the most meritorious of acts. A man stood and said: 'Messenger, do you think that if I am killed in the Way of Allah, my sins will be blotted out?' The Messenger said: 'Yes, in case you are killed in Allah's Cause and you always fought facing the enemy, never turning your back upon him.' (Muslim)

    "The Prophet said: 'Whoever cheerfully accepts Allah as his Lord, Islam as his Religion and Muhammad as his Apostle is necessarily entitled to enter Paradise.'Abu wondered at it and said: 'Messenger of Allah, repeat that for me.' He did that and said: 'There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth.' Abu said: 'What is that act?' He replied: 'Jihad in the Way of Allah! Jihad in Allah's Cause!'" (Muslim)

     "The Prophet said, 'Nobody who dies and finds Paradise would wish to come back to this life even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the syahids who, on seeing the superiority of syahid, would like to come back to get killed again in Allah's Cause.'" (Bukhari)
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #1 - April 05, 2010, 04:06 PM

    Quotes from Jihadi Scholars
    Innal-Hamdalillah was-Salaatu was-Salaamu 'Alaa Rasoolillah
as-Salaamu 'Alaikum wa-raHmatullahi wa barakaatuh
    In light of current events, I not only think it is appropriate, but obligatory upon us to convey to the Ummah, the Islamic Ruling of aiding the Taliban against the Judeo-Christian barbaric onslaught against Islam, in the name of "War Against Terrorism".
    It is essential that we present the true Islamic position on current events, such that it will sufficiently drown out the cries of those Modernist, Secular "Muslims", striving to redefine the traditional Islamic beliefs and practices in their attempt to assimilate into the Western "civilisation".
    As Allah spoke of His Messengers: "...Those who proclaim messages of Allah and fear Him. And do not fear anyone but Allah."
    Indeed there have been many apologetic, and at times humiliating, declarations made by various Muslim organisation for the crime that they did not commit, without there ever having been any solid proof that Muslims were the perpetrators in the first instance! We have witnessed the numerous, respected personalities and scholars around the world who came out protesting, in sympathy for the 6 000 Americans who were tragically killed, so we request of them: Please make a statement or two with regards to the US sanctions against the 20 000 000 people of Iraaq, more than 1 200 000 of whom have been slaughtered since 1991 to the present day, with an average death toll of 6 000 per month. Please give a thought to the 650 Palestinian killed since the begining of 2nd Intifadha last year, including 15,000 injured. Please give your zakaah and donate your blood to your brothers and sisters who are being butchered in every corner of the globe.
    Finally, please give us your thoughts on the current US aggression - supported by our Wulaatul-Umoor - against the Islamic Afghanistan, knowing that millions of innocent Afghanis are facing high risks, in addition to those several million fleeing as refugees, as the harsh winter approaches. We watch, with the rest of the world, the bombing of innocent civilians and the mass murder of 100s of Afghanis using what the Americans call 'smart bombs', yet no one would dare call it terrorism.
    It is our duty, at the very least, to inform the Muslims that it is absolutely forbidden to aid these Kuffaar, whether verbally, physically, morally or financially, against our brothers, the Taliban, in the land of Iman - Afghanistan. MOREOVER, AIDING THE MUSHRIKEEN IN THEIR ATTACKS IN AFGHANISTAN IN ANY FORM, WITH THE INTENTION TO AID DEMOCRACY, OR TO DEFEAT THE SHAREE'AH OF ISLAM - IS APOSTACY FROM ISLAM BY CONSENSUS. So let there be no "Muslim" in the UK or the US or elsewhere, that supports these attacks against Afghanistan, and even if there exists a Muslim actively supporting these attacks against Afghanistan, may he be hated by the Muslim community, not only in the West, but the rest of the World.
    The following are the two fatawas concerning the recent events. One by Sheikh Ibn Jibreen from the major scholars of the Muslim world who needs no introduction to most of you. The other by Sh Humood bin 'Uqlaa ash-Shu'aibi, another scholar from the major scholars, indeed scholar of the scholars such as, Sheikh Ibn Uthaimeen (for a short while), Sheikh Abdul-Aziz Abdullah Aal-Ash-Sheikh, Dr. Abdullah Ibn Abdul-Muhsin at-Turki, Dr. Abdullah Ibn Muhammad bin Ibraahim Aal-ash-Sheikh, Sh Saalih bin Fawzan al-Fawzan, Sh Abdur-Rahmaan bin Saalih al-Jabr, Sh Abdur-Rahmaan Bin Sulaiman al-JaarAllah, Sh Abdur-Rahmaan bin Abdul-Aziz al-Killiyah, Sh Abdur-Rahmaan bin Ghaith, Sh Abdullah al-Ghunaiman and last but not least, Sh Salmaan bin Fahd al-Awdah - people of knowledge as great as these are the likes of his students.
    It might appear to some that Sheikh Humood's fatwa is justifying the September the 11th incident, but I do not think so. I think he is merely trying to refute the apologetic Muslims who - in their bid to appease the Americans - made blanket statements, such as "it is completely forbidden to kill innocent women and children, under all circumstances, in absolute terms", and Allah knows best. As we should know that such statements are incorrect, since there is consensus of the Fuqahaa with regards to permissibility of attacking Muslim women and children, IF they are used as human shields, so what about Kuffar? And why should the Muslims be ashamed of speaking the truth about their religion, specially when Madeleine Albright on CBS's 60 Minutes, is asked by correspondent Lesley Stahl, if the death of these 600,000 Iraqi children was "worth it.", and Albright replies: "...we think the price is worth it." - and not ashamed of saying that?
    Finally, I remind myself and you of the obligatory and unceasing duty of Hijrah, and I pray that Allah does not make us like those about whom He said: "...And when the angels take the souls of those who were wronging themselves, [and ask]: What were you in?. They said: We were weak and oppressed in the land. They [angels] said: Wasn't Allah's earth vast enough that you could have migrated there in? Then those people, their abode will be Jahannam, what an evil abode!"
    =====================================
SHEIKH IBN JIBREEN'S FATWA ON AIDING THE TALIBAAN
=====================================
    In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy
    The eminent Sheikh al-Allaamah, ‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Abdur-Rahmaan ibn Jibreen, may Allah bless you.
    Question: It is not hidden from you what has befallen our brothers in Afghanistan, from the hardships of the enemies of Allah besieging them, and constrained livelihood, and lack of helpers and aides, and by being fiercely attacked from all directions by the enemies of Islam upon this state [The Taliban State of Afghanistan]. In spite of it all, [the government] does not cease to be firm in establishing the laws of Allah on the earth of Allah, and thus they are in need of help and to be allied with in their trial. Therefore, what is the ruling regarding aiding this movement with wealth, persons and supplications? What are your directions for the students of knowledge and the competent, skilful people? May Allah reward you with good.
    Response:
    Praise be to Allah and that suffices, and peace be upon His chosen slaves.
    To proceed: When the Muslims throughout the world come to know that a group from their brothers have been oppressed and harmed, it becomes obligatory upon them to aid them and to strive to help them with whatever they can from the wealth, persons, opinions and statements. [Especially] when we know of the State of Taliban in Afghanistan that it rules with the Laws of Allah, establishes the Islamic education [system], prevents the means to Shirk, demolishes worshipped objects and idols, exhibits the manifestation of Islam by announcing the call for prayers, establishes the Friday [prayers] and congregational [prayers], prohibits sins and the forbidden acts, as indeed these are all apparent signs of their good intentions and sound faith. And since the Kafir states, such as the Christian, the Jews, the Communists and the Atheists, all of them, are against the correct [version of] Islam, and similarly the Kafir innovators, for verily it is obligatory upon the Muslims to help their brothers in this [Taliban] State of Muslims, and to endeavour to repel the plots of their enemies, those who seek to cripple the Muslims’ movement and to exterminate them. For Allah the Exalted has said:
    “And co-operate upon righteousness and piety”,
    and in the Hadeeth:
    “Make Jihaad against the Mushrikeen with your wealth, your persons and your tongues”.
    The Muslims should aid their brothers with wealth and men, and should increase in their supplications for them, for victory and dominion, as Allah is the one who responds to calls of those who supplicate, and indeed He is All-Hearing and Near.
    Stated and Written by
'Abdullaah ibn 'Abdur-Rahmaan al-Jibreen
The retired member of al-Ifta.
    And may the Salaah and Salaam be upon Muhammad, and his followers and companions.
    [Signed]
    http://anahona.vr9.com/fatwa1.jpg
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #2 - April 05, 2010, 04:06 PM

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    SHEIKH HUMOOD BIN UQLA ASH-SHU'AIBI'S FATWA ON THE RECENT EVENTS
(911)
    ===================================
    Q: To proceed, Sheikh Hamood ibn 'Abdullaah ash-Shu'aybee, there have been a lot of talks on what happened in America some supporting and blessing others opposing and condemning it. What is the correct stand in these two opinions according to your view? We similarly hope you will go into details in the issue because of the ambiguities in it.
    A: Praise is due to Allah Lord of the Worlds, may the Salaat and Salaam be with the unlettered Prophet, his family, his companions and all who live according to his path till the Day of Judgment.
    Before answering the question we should know that whatever decision the non- Muslim state, America, takes -especially critical decisions which involve war - it is taken based on opinion poll and/or voting within the house of representatives and senate, which represent directly, the exact opinion of the people they represent - the people of America - through their representatives in the Parliament. Based on this, any American who voted for war is a like a fighter, or at least a supporter, as we will explain later.
    Let it also be understood that the guide and final decision on the interactions of Muslims with the Unbelievers are the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Prophet may the Salat and Salam be with him; And not politics or personal benefits. And the Qur'an has explicitly explained this issue and clarified it because of its importance and danger. When we refer to the Qur'an we realize that it has left no one in doubt nor did it leave any gay areas on this issue.
    And all the various verses which discuss this issue emphasize two things, namely Al-Walaa' (love and alliance) and Al-Baraa'ah (hate and opposition), which confirms the fact that Al-Walaa' and Al-Baraa'ah are strong pillars in the Islamic Shari'ah, an issue on which the scholars - both the past and contemporary - have consensus. Allah says warning against Loving the unbelievers, taking sides with them and leaning towards them:
    "O believers! Take not Jews and Christians as your (protecting) friends, they are allies of one another. Whosoever allies with them, amongst you, then he is one of them..."
    "O Believers! Do not take My enemy and your enemy, as friends, giving them your affection..."
    And Allah said: "O Believers! Take not private friends from among your enemies expressing open love to them.."
    And He said on the necessity of rejecting the unbelievers "certainly you had an excellent example in Ibrahim and those with him, when they said to their people we are free from you and from whatever ye worship other than Allah, we have rejected you hostility has stated between us and you till the Day of Judgment..." And the Exalted said: "Never will you find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendships with those oppose Allah and His messenger even though they were their parents or their sons.."
    And the Exalted and praised said: "Say: if your parents, your children, your brothers, your wives, your kindred, the weath you have acquired, the commerce in which you fear decline, or the dwellins you are pleased with, are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger and striving hard and fighting in His cause, then wait until Allah brings His Decision. And Allah guides not the Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient)"
    These verses and tens of others are clear statements on the obligation and necessity of opposing unbelievers and hating them, as well as rejecting them. And I don't think any person with the slightest level of knowledge is ignorant of this.
    Having said this, you should know that America is a Kufr State that is totally against Islam and Muslims. In fact it has reached the peak of that arrogance in the form of open attacks on several Muslim Nations as it did in Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Philistine, Libya and others, where it - America - allied with the forces of Kufr such as Britain, Russia and others in attacking and trying to exterminate them. Similarly, America expelled the Palestinians from their homes and housed the 'brothers of Pigs and Apes' in them; and stood firmly in support of the criminal Zionist State of the Jews, giving them all they need in the form of wealth, weapons and training. How then can America after all these things not be considered an enemy of the Muslim Nations and at war with them?
    But, because they have reached the peak of tyranny and arrogance; because they have seen the collapse of the Soviet Union in the hands of the Muslims in Afghanistan, they thought that they are the Ultimate Power above which there is no power. Unfortunately, they forgot that Allah, the Exalted and Mighty, is Stronger than them and can humble and destroy them.
    On the other hand, it is unfortunate and disturbing to see that a lot of fellow scholars have preferred the side of mercy and emotion and forgotten or ignored what that Kufr Nation (America) is doing such as killing, destroying and spoiling most of the Muslim Lands, and showing no mercy or kindness in that.
    Consequently, I find it incumbent upon me to refute some false claims and misconceptions that some fellow scholars are relying upon in trying to support their positions.
    MISCONCEPTION No. 1
    One of them is what I heard from some of them, "that we have agreements and pacts between us and America and hence it is binding on us to fulfil them."
    My response to this is from two points of view:
    1. The person saying this has already concluded that it is Muslims who committed the act, and up to now, no proof of law has been established to the effect that Muslims are behind the attack, or that they participated in it, in which case it may be said that they have broken the covenant. So, since, it is yet to be established that we committed the act, nor that we did partake in its execution, how then can it be said that we have broken the 'Pact'?
    Of course expressing our hatred for those unbelievers and rejecting them has nothing to do with breaking covenants or pacts. It is just something Allah has compelled upon us in clear texts of His Glorious Book.
    2. Even if we accept that there are covenants and pacts between Muslims and America, why then did America not fulfill its side of the agreement?
    Why has it not stopped its aggression and harming a lot of Muslims? Is it not an established fact that: all pacts are binding on both parties; and that whenever they do not fulfill their roles, the pact becomes invalid and the covenant broken? Allah the Exalted said:
    "But if they break their covenants after its solemnizing it, and attack your religion, then, fight ye the leaders of Kufr, for they (deserve) no covenant..."
    MISCONCEPTION No. 2
    They say that: "among the victims were some, innocent and sinless"
    Response to this is from several points of view:
    1. Sa'ab bin Jathamah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported from that the Prophet was asked about the people in the homes of Mushrikun (Polytheist) when they are attacked at night and their women and children are affected, he said: "they are part of them".
    So, this Hadith shows that women, children and all those the killing of whom is forbidden, when they are separate, it is permissible to kill them when they are mixed up with the fighters and it is not possible to separate. This is because they had asked the Prophet about the case which is "attacking at night", in which case it is not possible to differentiate, and he permitted them because "things may be allowed when they occur along the way but be forbidden when separate".
    2. Also, Muslim commanders have always used Catapult when fighting the Kuffar (a kind of weapon that was used in the past when trying to break into an enemy camp which is fully fortressed - it destroys whatever it meets by its weight, i.e. something like a catapult - translator), and it is obvious that a Catapult when applied in a war does not differentiate between a fighter and others, hence it may afflict some those so-called 'innocent souls', but that not withstanding this is an established practice among Muslims in their wars.
    Ibn Qudamah may Allah have mercy on him, said: "And it is permissible to use Catapult because the Prophet may the Salaat and Salaam be with him used Catapult on the people of Ta'if; and Amr bin al-As did the same to the people of Alexandria (Al-Mughniy, vol. 10, p503).
    And Ibn al-Qasim said "it is permissible to use Catapult against Kuffar even if children, women and old men and monks are killed inadvertently, because 'Nikayah' (doing what will weaken the enemy) is allowed according to the consensus of Ulama. Ibn Rushd said: "'Nikayah' is permissible according to Ijama' and on any type of polytheists" (Al-Hashiyah ala' Ar-Raudh, vol. 4, p 271)
    Here, there is a question we will like to ask those who use the word "Terrorism" on what happened in America, and I want their reply.
    The question is: When America attacked a Pharmaceutical firm in Sudan, using its planes and bombs, destroying it and killing everybody in it, staff and laborers, what was this called? Shouldn't the action of America in the Sudanese firm be considered as an act of terrorism? Else how can what those people did in America be treatest as an act of terrorism? Why is everybody condemning and rejecting what was done to those buildings in America and yet we did not hear any such condemnations on the destruction caused by America in the Sudanese firm?
    I certainly don't see any difference between the two acts, except that the money that was used in building the firm is Muslims' and the workers and staff killed by destroying the firm were Muslims; Whereas, the buildings destroyed by those hijackers was built with the money of non-Muslims and the victims of the explosion were non-Muslims.
    So, is this the difference that made some fellow brothers to call what happened in America 'Terrorism'!! While at the same time they neither condemned what happened in Sudan, nor called it TERRORISM?
    Similarly, what happened to the Libyans of deliberate and imposed 'starvation'; 'starvation' of the Iraqis plus almost daily attacks; the sanctions and attacks launched against Afghanistan, a Muslim Nation: all these, why are they not termed "terrorism"? What else can we term them if not terrorism?
    In addition, we should ask those people, what do you mean by "innocent and sinless"?
    Those are one of three categories/groups:
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #3 - April 05, 2010, 04:06 PM

    The first category:
    They may be among those who neither fought, nor supported their country by their persons, wealth or opinion and suggestions or anything else. It is not permissible to kill this category, on condition that they can be differentiated from the rest, but if they are mixed up such that they can't be separated, then it is allowed to kill them along with the others and by extension, like old men, women, children, the sick and the disabled or devoted monks.
    Ibn Qudamah said: "It is allowed to kill women and children in night attacks and in demolished buildings or ditches, so far as the intention is not to kill them in particular; And it is allowed to kill their (the enemies') animals as a means for killing and subduing them; there is no difference of opinion on this." (Al-Mughniy, with the Sharh -commentary, 10/503)
    Similarly he said: "It is permissible to attack enemies at night. Ahmad bin Hanbal said: 'there is no problem with night attacks, were the Romans not attacked at night?' And he said: 'we don't know anybody who disliked night attacks" (Al-Mughniy 10/503)
    The second category: Or, they (the victims) may be part of those who did not participate directly in the war but helped with their wealth or opinions, these cannot be called "innocent", nay they are among the fighters and part of the strength of the enemy.
    Ibn Abdil Barr may Allah has mercy on him, said in Al-Istizkar: "There is no dispute among the scholars that whoever fights among women or old men, killing him is allowed, similarly, any child capable of fighting , if he does may be killed." (Al-Istizkar vol. 14, p 74). Similarly, Ibn Qudamah reported the Ijamaa' on killing women, children and old men if they help their people; Ibn Abdil Barr said: "They have a concensus on the fact that the Prophet killed Duraid bin on the Day of the Battle of Hunayn because he was an experienced in war and contributed his opinions. Thus whoever is like that among old men deserves to be killed according to all (scholars). (At-Tamheed, vol. 16 p 142)
    And an-Nawawi, may Allah have mercy on him related the Ijama' (in Sharh Muslim in "the Book of Jihad") that elderly men among the non-Muslims should be killed if they have knowledge of war strategies.
    Ibn Qasim also quoted in Al-Hashiyat that: "they had Ijmaa' that the ruling concerning any strategist is that of any fighter in Jihad. This Ijmaa' was reported from Ibn Taimiyyah. Similarly, he related from Ibn Taimiyyah that "those who assist a group and their helpers are (to be considered) part of them, in whatever is for or against them"
    The third Category:
    Or they may be Muslims, and it is not permissible for these to be killed separately; But when they are mixed up with others in such a way that they have to be killed with them, then it is allowed, and these is the case known as 'Mas'alatut Tatarrus' (when non-Muslims hold Muslims as shield against attack), which was discussed earlier.
    Thus, what many are babbling and repeating on the case of the "innocent victims", is nothing but the effect of the West and its media, to the extent that many an unwary person repeats the words and expressions of our enemies, which are in direct contradiction with the expressions of Shari'ah.
    Let us not, also, forget that it is permissible for us to treat non-Muslims similar to the way they treated us; and in this there is a reply and clear proof to all those who repeat the words "innocent victims", because Allah the Exalted has made that. Among the texts on that:
    "Thus, if you retaliate, retaliate with what equals the aggression afflicted upon you" and He said:
    "...and those whom, when an aggression afflicts them, they revenge, but the reward of an evil is an evil equal to it".
    Also among the sayings of scholars on the permissibility of taking revenge:
    Ibn Taimiyyah said: "it is their right to mutilate. So it is their right to do it in revenge and payback in the same coins, OR they may waive it, but patience is better. This is in a case where the mutilation does not lead to a gain in the Jihad, and it is not for an equal treatment from them (the enemies); But when Mutilating them will lead to their accepting the faith or warn them against another aggression, then, it is - in this case - part of recommended Jihad and retribution." (This was quoted by Ibn Muflih in Alfuru' vol.6 p.218)
    Else, whoever says that there are "innocent victims" without any differentiation between their categories, must accept that he is accusing the Prophet and the Companions and those after them that they killed "innocent victims", according to them! Because the Prophet used Catapult in his war against Ta'if, and it is the nature of Catapult that it does not differentiate.
    Similarly, the Prophet (saw) killed all whom those who had attained puberty among the Jews of Bani Quraidah without differentiating between them.
    Ibn Hazm, commenting on the Hadith that "Banu Quraidah were paraded before the Prophet, and he ordered the killing of all those who had attained puberty", said: "this is a general ruling from the Prophet, since he did not leave out an old man, a merchant, a farmer or any other person; this was related from him with genuine Ijmaa' (Al-Muhallaa vol. 6 p. 299)
    Ibn al-Qayyim said in 'Zaadul Ma'aad': "it is part of his guidance (i.e. the Prophet's) that whenever he made a pact with some people and they broke the covenant, or some of them broke the agreement, and the rest supported them on that , and accepted it; he fights all of them and considers all as having broken the covenant. As he did to Banu Quraizah and Banun Nadheer and Banu Qainuqa', and as he treated the people of Mecca. So this is Sunnah (method or approach to those who betray their covenants.
    Similarly, he said: "Ibn Taimiyyah has certainly ruled that the Christians of Mashriq should be fought when they assisted the enemies of the Muslims against them, and helped them with their wealth and weapons, despite the fact that they did not did not fight us. He considered them to have broken the covenant as Quraish did during the time of the Prophet by helping Banu Bakr bin Wa'il in fighting those in alliance with the prophet"
    In conclusion, we all know that the non Muslim west, especially America will definitely seize this opportunity and utilize that in its favor and through fresh injustice to the Muslims in Afghanistan and Palestine, Chechnya and other areas, whoever the perpetrators may be. And they will try to eradicate Jihad and those who engage in it and it will never succeed; and they will do that in the name of fighting Terrorism; and they will go ahead and fight our brothers in faith, in the Taliban ruled, Muslim Nation of Afghanistan, the only nation that has given a cover for genuine Mujahiddin and assists them at a time when everybody has forsaken them, and who never bowed down to the Non-Muslim Western nations.
    Thus, it is compulsory to assist this Islamic Nation in Jihad, with whatever we can Allah the Exalted says:
    "The Believers, men and women, are helpers of one another"
    And He said "Help each other in righteousness and obedience"
    Thus, it is compulsory to assist them with wealth and persons and opinions and advices and through the Media by defending them and their honor and their public image; and through prayers for them that they vanquish the enemy and have steadfastness.
    And like we said, it is compulsory upon all Muslims to help the Taliban Government it is also equally compulsory upon the Muslim Governments especially the neighboring countries to assist them against the Kufr of the West.
    And let those know that that failing to assist Taliban that is being fought for its religion and because of the help it gives to Mujahideen and, assisting the kuffar against them is the kind of friendship and support of the kuffar that Allaah warned against when He said:
    "Believers, take not my enemy and your enemy as friends in whom you put love"
    And He said "Believers take not my enemy and yours as Protecting friends."
    Certainly it will go down in history that these countries betrayed their brothers and it will remain as a kind of bad record on them and their people that will remain forever!!
    Similarly let those neighboring and nearby countries be ware that if they refuse to help the brothers and allowed the enemy to attack them, that Allah may face them with His Natural Disasters and terrible situations as a punishment and chastisement on them. The Prophet said a Muslim is a brother of a Muslim, he does not forsake or betray him.. and he also said in a Hadith Qudsi: "Allah said "Whoever fights my Friend should get ready for war with Me And He said "Whoever allowed a Muslim to be humiliated while he could assist him, Allah will humiliate him in front of the entire creation on the Day of Judgment (reported by Ahmad). And we wish to remind the Pakistan Government that allowing the Americans, the enemies of Muslims, to use their land is not informed by wisdom nor borne out of experience politics at all because it will lead to giving the opportunity for America to discover their secrets of their country and know the location of its nuclear power with all precision and something that has terrified the West, and that may lead to the Americans giving the Jews the chance to attack the Nuclear Plants in Pakistan as they did those of Iraq earlier. And how come does Pakistan trust America is enemy that has been warning and warning them! I really think that the reasonable personalities in Pakistan will not allow it, not to mention their Good Muslims will ever accept this nor will they just fold their arms and watch surrender to their enemies of yesterday.
    We pray to Allah that He helps His Religion and raises His Word and exalts Islam and the Muslims and the Mujahideen and to destroy America and its followers and those who assist them. Verily He has that Power and is Able to do so.
    Wa-sallaahu wa-sallam 'alaa Muhammad wa aalihi wa sahbihi was-sallam.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #4 - April 05, 2010, 04:07 PM


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    Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Universe and Peace and Blessings be upon the Leader of the Prophets and the Commander of the Mujahideen: Muhammad (SAWS) and upon His Family, His Companions and whoever pursues their method, follows their way and wages Jihad until the Day of Judgement.
    Indeed nations are only brought to life by their beliefs and their concepts and they die only with their desires and their lusts. The extent to which righteous convictions and correct beliefs spread within a nation, is the extent to which it plants its roots in the depths of the Earth and sends forth orchards of trunks with their flourishing leaves so that Man can take shade by it from the troubles of life, its financial fever and from the flame of hatred, envy and competition for cheap thrills and temporary enjoyment. As for the Muslim Ummah, it does continue to exist in the course of history of humankind, except by a divine idology and the blood which flows as a result of spreading this divine ideology and implanting it into the real World.
    The life of the Muslim Ummah is solely dependent on the ink of its scholars and the blood of its martyrs. What is more beautiful than the writing of the Ummah's history with both the ink of a scholar and his blood, such that the map of Islamic history becomes coloured with two lines: one of them black, and that is what the scholar wrote with the ink of his pen; and the other one red, and that is what the martyr wrote with his blood. And something more beautiful than this is when the blood is one and the pen is one, so that the hand of the scholar which expends the ink and moves the pen, is the same as the hand which expends its blood and moves the Ummah. The extent to which the number of martyred scholars increases is the extent to which nations are delivered from their slumber, rescued from their decline and awoken from their sleep.
    History does not write its lines except with blood. Glory does not build its loft edifice except with skulls, Honour and respect cannot be established except on a foundation of cripples and corpses. Empires, distinguished peoples, states and societies cannot be established except with examples. Indeed those who think that they can change reality, or change societies, without blood, sacrifices and invalids, without pure, innocent souls, then they do not understand the essence of this Deen2 and they do not know the method of the best of the Messengers (may Allah bless him and grant him peace).
    As for those who build nations, they are few in number. Sometimes the Ummah can be built by a single individual who makes a stand by means of which Allah rescues this Deen, just like Abu Bakr (RA) made a stand of the Day of Apostasy3; and the day when Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal4 made a stand when the entire World was speechless at the innovation that the Quran had been created, so Allah saved the Ummah with him.
    A small group: they are the ones who carry convictions and ambitions. And an even smaller group from this small group, are the ones who flee from the worldly life in order to spread and act upon these ambitions. And an even smaller group from this elite group, are the ones who sacrifice their souls and their blood in order to bring victory to these ambitions and principles. So, they are the cream of the cream of the cream. It is not possible to reach glory except by traversing this Path. It is not possible for the structures of this Deen to be established, nor for its banner to be raised, nor for its vessel to be launched, except by traversing this Path. This Path is one. In fact, there is no Paradise without this Path:
    "Do you really think that you will enter Paradise, before Allah has decided from amongst you, those who fight in His Way and those who are patient?" [Quran 3:142]
    Thus the founders of nations and the architects of glories are few. As for the one who wants to architecture glory, then he must be prepared to ascend to the price of glory upon seas of his blood and his sweat, and the blood of those around him and upon the disabilities of those under his authority, until he reaches the price of glory. And glory cannot be architectured except by traversing this Path: the Path of the Blessed Jihad.
    The Jihad on the land of Afghanistan set its foundations with a small group: 14 youths from the youths of the Taqwa Islamic Movement inside Kabul5 University. The decisive, conclusive, solidification of its foundations was the necessity of using Jihad to combat the leader of the tyrants, Daud6, who had resolved to wipe out the sons of the Islamic Movement. Until finally, they arrived in Peshawar7, about 30 youths, who decided to enter Afghanistan and start the Jihad there.
    The Jihad initially began as a few drops, until Allah decided to ignite the sparks within this blessed people and explode the Jihad, blessing with it the land of Afghanistan and the rest of the Muslims until its good encompassed the whole World. Some thought that the Earth had become devastated and that this Ummah had been drained of the thirst for martyrdom. Therefore, Allah exploded the Jihad on the land of Afghanistan and groups of youths from the Islamic World marched forth to Afghanistan in search of Jihad and martyrdom.
    Indeed this small band of Arabs, whose number did not exceed a few hundred individuals, changed the tide of the battle, from an Islamic battle of one country, to an Islamic World Jihad movement, in which all races participated and all colours, languages and cultures met; yet they were one, their direction was one, their ranks were one and the goal was one: that the Word of Allah is raised the highest and that this Deen is made victorious on the Earth.
    Indeed the involvement of the Muslims in the battle, from a variety of races, woke up those that were asleep and enlightened those who were absent-minded. Furthermore, it shook the oppressors, for indeed the enemies of Islam were watching the arena and counting the lives. The involvement of non-Afghans in the battle was a great source of alarm and dismay to them, because this stimulation of numerous nations and the revival of the people had reached the brink of desperation, until these desperations set root in the depths of their souls, such that they realised that they themselves were on the verge of their own destruction.
    Furthermore, the enemies were also aware of the volatile risks associated with the burial of a foreign volunteer fighter in the soils of Afghanistan, as if to announce to the World: that this Deen requires millions of such sacrifices in order to change its situation, and that these sacrifices must meet with this fighter, here in his resting place, so that the bullet alone is considered to be the honour of this Deen, the resistance of the Muslims and the pride of the believers.
    And some deceived modernist intellectuals thought that these sacrifices which had fallen on this Path had gone to waste and been rendered futile. However, it should be known that the blood of gutless martyrs is weighty in the Scale of the Most Gracious. It is sufficient for us to remember one hadith (and the ahadith are many), narrated by Imam Ahmad and Tirmidhi with an authentic chain of narration that the Messenger of Allah (SAWS) said:
    "Indeed the martyr has seven special favours from Allah: all his sins are forgiven at the first spurt of his blood, he sees his place in Paradise as his blood is shed (before his soul leaves the body), he tastes the sweetness of Iman, he is married to 72 of the Beautiful Maidens of Paradise, he is protected from the Punishment of the Grave, he is saved from the Great Terror (on The Day of Judgement), there is placed upon his head a crown of honour a jewel of which is better than the whole world and everything in it and he is granted permission to intercede for 70 members of his household (to bring them into Paradise and save them from the Hell Fire)."
    Indeed, the manuscripts of history are not scribed except with the blood of these martyrs, except with the stories of these martyrs, except with the examples of these martyrs. By the likes of these martyrs, nations are established, convictions are brought to life and ideologies are made victorious. For this reason, we have compiled a section about the lives of martyrs: Arab martyrs who fell on the land of Afghanistan, and present this very collection which is infront of you.
    And it might seem to the short-sighted eye and narrow mind, and to the individual besieged within the bounds of era and location, that it is a story that happened and finished. The mouth of death opened its mouth, swallowed these martyrs and passed them with its wheel that saves neither old nor young.
    However, the clear-sighted eye and the enlightened heart knows that these sacrifices are the provisions of future generations for distant civilizations to come. These stories, these sacrifices and these examples will remain as supercilious signposts upon the entire journey of this Deen, for he who wishes to make this journey from those wayfarers, or follow in the footsteps of this righteous elite.
    "All these are the ones whom Allah has guided, so follow their guidance…" [Quran 6:90]
    Indeed these exemplary individuals from the martyrs broke free from the shackles and fetters of this matter to reach opulence and bliss, and they came to the land of Afghanistan, living in the mountains of Afghanistan, until Allah (SWT) honoured them with martyrdom.
    We ask Allah (SWT) to join us with them in the Highest Part of Paradise, with the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs and the Righteous, and that he blesses us with martyrdom in His Way, and that he seals us with the Seal of Happiness, O Noble One.
    So, O' people of ambitions and O' carriers of dawah, do not be miserly with your blood as regards this Deen. If you really are serious and sincere, then place your blood and souls before the Lord of the Worlds who granted them to you in the first place and then purchased them from you:
    "Indeed Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their possessions in return for Paradise. They fight in the Way of Allah, they kill and are killed…" [Quran 9:111]
    O' youths! O' sons of Islam! What will cleanse our sins? What will purify our mistakes? And what will clean our dirt? It will not be washed except with the blood of martyrdom, and know that there is no path except this Path. If not, then the Accountability8 will be difficult, the Scale9 awaits, the Bridge10 is ready and your time is running out, so consider it…
    And Peace and Blessings be upon our master, Muhammad, and upon his family and Companions altogether.
    Extracts from the lectures of Sheikh Abdullah Azzam titled: 'Will of the Shaheed' and 'A Message from the Shaheed Sheikh to the Scholars'.
    1 Sheikh Abdullah Yusuf Azzam, assassinated in Peshawar, 1989. Time Magazine wrote about him: "He was responsible for reviving Jihad in the 20th Century." 
2 Islam
3 When a group of Arabs apostatised after the death of the Prophet (SAWS) and refused to pay their Zakah to Abu Bakr (RA), so Abu Bakr resolved to fight them even though the other Sahabah were initially opposed to this idea.
4 Died 241AH (851CE), the founder of the Hanbali school of thought
5 The capital of Afghanistan
6 Prince Muhammad Daud Khan, President of Afghanistan from July 1973 to April 1978.
7 A city in Pakistan, the capital of the NWFP (North West Frontier Province)
8 Questioning on the Day of Judgement
9 Meezan: the Scale or Balance upon which the good and bad deeds of the people will be weighed on the Day of Judgement
10 The Bridge over the Hell Fire as mentioned in the Quran 19:71-72
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #5 - April 05, 2010, 04:23 PM

    great Post Hassan Afro

    its now the "religion of pieces"
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #6 - April 05, 2010, 04:26 PM

    Thanks Hassan!
    This will come in very handy.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #7 - April 05, 2010, 04:27 PM

    If you don't mind Hassan, I'll move this to the Resource Centre. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #8 - April 05, 2010, 04:48 PM

    Sure.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #9 - April 05, 2010, 08:22 PM

    Wow, very thorough collection. Nice job Afro

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #10 - April 05, 2010, 09:33 PM

    Hassan, you've taken those verses, ahadith and Islamic scholars completely out of context!

     Wink
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #11 - April 05, 2010, 09:37 PM

    Of course I have lol  Wink
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #12 - April 05, 2010, 10:09 PM

    Good stuff Hassan Afro

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #13 - April 06, 2010, 04:50 AM

    Very interesting.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #14 - April 07, 2010, 05:02 PM

    So peaceful, great work Hassan!

    It is not the way you live your life that is important, it is how well you enjoy it that matters.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #15 - April 07, 2010, 05:21 PM


    I giggle when I hear Muslims calling it The Religion of Peace these days  Grin

    I just can't keep a straight face. Its so funny.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #16 - April 07, 2010, 05:24 PM

    I giggle when I hear Muslims calling it The Religion of Peace these days  Grin

    I just can't keep a straight face. Its so funny.



    It's hard to believe that they're even dead serious. Come to think of it, it's the same with christians.   yes

    It is not the way you live your life that is important, it is how well you enjoy it that matters.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #17 - April 07, 2010, 11:21 PM

    I giggle when I hear Muslims calling it The Religion of Peace these days  Grin

    I just can't keep a straight face. Its so funny.




    It's no laughing matter, they actually believe it.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #18 - April 07, 2010, 11:25 PM

    It's hard to believe that they're even dead serious. Come to think of it, it's the same with christians.   yes


    Christianity can't hold a candle to Islam in terms of having an extensive mainstream tradition of warfare and expansionism. Even the nation of Isreal didn't have the world conquest philosophy that's intrinsic to Islam.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #19 - April 07, 2010, 11:25 PM

    You Kuffar are all the same - stop believing the lies of the Zionist controlled media. Islam is a religion of peace.

    As this website explains:

    Islam is in fact a religion that promotes peace and understanding among people of all faiths, and it strongly prohibits all forms of violence and aggression against all people regardless of their faith or race.
     
    http://www.al-islami.com/islam/religion_of_peace.php
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #20 - April 07, 2010, 11:27 PM

    It's no laughing matter, they actually believe it.


    Yeah but its still funny.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #21 - April 07, 2010, 11:41 PM

    The level of denial that Muslims engage in is frankly astonishing.

    I had an exchange with a Muslim apologist and he was trying to contend that Ibn Kathir's interpretation of Islam was a purely defensive one, despite the fact that he states in his tafsir that 'Muslims will conquer the known world, and ultimately the entire world,' and that the 'Jews and Christians are to be fought because they're kuffar and mushriks.'

    And not only that, but he claimed that the mainstream Islamic perspective on warfare was and is a purely defensive one.

    Well, isn't it odd then, that mainstream and highly influential Muslim thinkers like al-Ghazali, Ibn Taymiyya, Ibn Qayyim, Ibn Kathir, Maududi, et al., all believed that the Islamic state could be expanded by force if need be?
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #22 - April 07, 2010, 11:42 PM

    Christianity can't hold a candle to Islam in terms of having an extensive mainstream tradition of warfare and expansionism. Even the nation of Isreal didn't have the world conquest philosophy that's intrinsic to Islam.

    That's what terrifies me about islam. Just what they call peace alone, is just frightening and hellish. If heaven is peaceful to them, I'd expect it to be hell there. No wonder there are so many virgin women, the men are probably at war up there.

    You Kuffar are all the same - stop believing the lies of the Zionist controlled media. Islam is a religion of peace.

    As this website explains:

    Islam is in fact a religion that promotes peace and understanding among people of all faiths, and it strongly prohibits all forms of violence and aggression against all people regardless of their faith or race.
     
    http://www.al-islami.com/islam/religion_of_peace.php

    Never!!!!

    The Quran and Hadith are zionist, and I'll never let them go so long as I live!

    It is not the way you live your life that is important, it is how well you enjoy it that matters.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #23 - April 07, 2010, 11:45 PM

    You Kuffar are all the same - stop believing the lies of the Zionist controlled media. Islam is a religion of peace.

    As this website explains:

    Islam is in fact a religion that promotes peace and understanding among people of all faiths, and it strongly prohibits all forms of violence and aggression against all people regardless of their faith or race.
     
    http://www.al-islami.com/islam/religion_of_peace.php


    Taqiyya!



    I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of Muslims who see their religion as only allowing warfare in self defense, and I don't have a problem with that. It's only when they deny that there is a mainstream tradition of warfare and expansionism that I begin to worry.

    They may well not know about it, but they're ignorance of it isn't exactly reassuring.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #24 - April 07, 2010, 11:53 PM

    That's what terrifies me about islam. Just what they call peace alone, is just frightening and hellish. If heaven is peaceful to them, I'd expect it to be hell there. No wonder there are so many virgin women, the men are probably at war up there.


    'They create a desert and call it peace.'

    The Islamic idea of 'peace' is an Orwellian theocratic state in which every individual applies every minute aspect of Islam in every aspect of their lives.

    I think there's a verse in the Qur'an, can't remember where, that says that a complete Islamic state would be paradise on earth. I find it kind of ironic, as the Dajjal is said to promise people paradise, but it will in fact be Hell.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #25 - April 07, 2010, 11:54 PM

    The level of denial that Muslims engage in is frankly astonishing.

    I had an exchange with a Muslim apologist and he was trying to contend that Ibn Kathir's interpretation of Islam was a purely defensive one, despite the fact that he states in his tafsir that 'Muslims will conquer the known world, and ultimately the entire world,' and that the 'Jews and Christians are to be fought because they're kuffar and mushriks.'

    And not only that, but he claimed that the mainstream Islamic perspective on warfare was and is a purely defensive one.

    Well, isn't it odd then, that mainstream and highly influential Muslim thinkers like al-Ghazali, Ibn Taymiyya, Ibn Qayyim, Ibn Kathir, Maududi, et al., all believed that the Islamic state could be expanded by force if need be?


    Look, I know that it is a very serious matter. But I can't help it. Its so brazen, so ill-informed, so desperate, so full of pleading, so fully  ignorant, and the funny thing is that with a lot of Muslims who say it, its full of self-delusion. They honestly believe it. Of course, for others, its just a straight up lie, but even then they are so brainwashed that they can't think outside that zone of what it really means.

    I just giggle at it all. I literally can't help laughing anymore when I hear or read a Muslim (and sometimes a non Muslim defending Islam) say 'Its a religion of peace'.





    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #26 - April 08, 2010, 12:10 AM

    Look, I know that it is a very serious matter. But I can't help it. Its so brazen, so ill-informed, so desperate, so full of pleading, so fully  ignorant, and the funny thing is that with a lot of Muslims who say it, its full of self-delusion. They honestly believe it. Of course, for others, its just a straight up lie, but even then they are so brainwashed that they can't think outside that zone of what it really means.

    I just giggle at it all. I literally can't help laughing anymore when I hear or read a Muslim (and sometimes a non Muslim defending Islam) say 'Its a religion of peace'.



    You know as soon as someone says that that they know nothing about Islam.

    The sad thing is, it's not just Muslims who are falling for it. You have your useful idiots like Karen Armstrong. And actually, the person that I had the exchange with was a convert to Islam, so he didn't have the excuse of being brainwashed from birth into believing this crap.

    It is quite tragic when you discuss this with some Muslims and they can't refute a thing you say on the subject so they just reiterate the same old line... 'you're taking it out of context!' Or, they say that YOU are the one who believes that the Islamic state is to act as an expansionistic theocratic empire, rather than the Muslim scholars you quote to them.

    Then again, I think it's quite clear that this whole 'religion of peace' nonsense is more of a P.R. campaign than something that knowledgeable Muslims take seriously.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #27 - April 08, 2010, 12:19 AM



    No I phrased that wrongly.

    They don't actually say its a religion of peace.

    They say it is THE Religion of Peace.

    The one and only. The actual really factual Religion of Peace, as opposed to all the other religions, which don't have any claim to the title of 'The Religion of Peace'. Because they're not really about peace at all - at least not like Islam which is THE Religion of Peace (trademark Allah)

    So even this phrasing is actually not very peaceful, because its enforcing the Islamic belief in its own exceptionalism, being better and way more peaceful than other religions, which are obviously, fraudulent and inferior when it comes to PEACE. Its sneering at everything else, incredulous that Islam could only be a religion of peace, just one among many, when it is in fact THE most singular and supreme Religion of Peace.

    See, the whole thing is comical.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #28 - April 08, 2010, 12:38 AM

    Yeah, but when Muslims say 'peace' they mean it in an Orwellian, double-think kind of way.

    It is the peace that is the absolute application of Islam in all aspects of life, and for all people; 'dkhuluu fi silmi kaafah'

    Enter into peace, into Islam, completely.
  • Re: The Religion of Peace
     Reply #29 - April 08, 2010, 01:41 AM

    Yeah, but when Muslims say 'peace' they mean it in an Orwellian, double-think kind of way.

    It is the peace that is the absolute application of Islam in all aspects of life, and for all people; 'dkhuluu fi silmi kaafah'

    Enter into peace, into Islam, completely.


    I would have thought it was blatantly obvious that Islam means peace through submission to Islam, and Islam being the consensus of the ulema; Islam is peaceful when all the world becomes Muslims. You're right it is a double speech - and I've caught Muslims out on this when they start talking about Islam being peace and tolerance and I rattle of a list of countries that execute GLBT people. All I get is a whole lot of stuttering followed by, "well, they don't represent Islam" (then who the fuck represents Islam if the people don't represent it - after all, it is the practitioners who interpret and implement the fucking religion!).

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