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  • Question: Who will you vote for?
  • Labour - 1 (2.8%)
  • Conservative - 4 (11.1%)
  • Liberal Democrat - 12 (33.3%)
  • UKIP - 0 (0%)
  • SNP - 0 (0%)
  • Green - 0 (0%)
  • Democratic Unionist - 0 (0%)
  • BNP - 1 (2.8%)
  • Plaid Cymru - 0 (0%)
  • Sinn Fein - 0 (0%)
  • Ulster Unionist - 0 (0%)
  • SDLP - 0 (0%)
  • Other - 0 (0%)
  • I'm undecided. - 0 (0%)
  • I can't vote. - 13 (36.1%)
  • I won't vote. - 5 (13.9%)
  • Total Voters: 36

 Topic: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?

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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #30 - April 10, 2010, 09:15 AM
    Islame, that's the same thing my old socials teacher used to say.
    "In a child's power to master the multiplication table, there is more sanctity than in all your shouted "amens" and "holy holies" and "hosannas." An idea is a greater monument than a cathedral. And the advance of man's knowledge is a greater miracle than all the sticks" - Henry Drummond
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #31 - April 10, 2010, 10:20 AM
    Quote from: Unechance on April 10, 2010, 03:06 AM
    Just wondering, what are the Lib Dems offering that Labour or Conservatives aren't? I just noticed a lot of youth (on another forum, at least) liked the Lib Dems and hated Labour or Conservatives, but what makes them so different?

    To be honest, I am not a fan of either Labour or Conservatives, but I'd lean towards Conservatives just because at the moment I want anyone other than Labour (well, not anyone, not BNP). Thing is, I don't know enough about the UK parties to really know which party I would prefer; but both Labour and Torries didn't seem too different from what I read or heard.


    Ideologically there's no difference between any of them. However, the Tories will make more spending cuts, carry out more privatizations and what they euphemistically call 'welfare reform'.
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #32 - April 10, 2010, 10:59 AM
    I will not vote for a simple reason that I refuse to participate in a charade that is today's "democracy".

    Quote from: Woodrow on April 09, 2010, 10:30 PM
    If I could vote I would have to go with UKIP

    Please explain.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #33 - April 10, 2010, 11:44 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 10, 2010, 08:49 AM
    rather than refusing to vote, I think the best thing is to go and spoil you ballot paper.  At least then you have registered & utilised your right to vote - something that people have fought for in the past, and are still dying for, in many countries.


    this reminds me of the old joke about a guy found burning a flag:

    "hey, my dad died for that flag!"
    "really, my flag was made in taiwan."
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #34 - April 10, 2010, 11:51 AM
    If I could vote, I would vote Legalise Cannabis.  cool2

    BTW, who voted BNP?
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #35 - April 10, 2010, 02:23 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 10, 2010, 08:49 AM
    rather than refusing to vote, I think the best thing is to go and spoil you ballot paper.  At least then you have registered & utilised your right to vote - something that people have fought for in the past, and are still dying for, in many countries.

    Couldn't agree more. It's easy to say something like "they all suck" or "the system is flawed", but it takes a little more effort to get off your ass and do something about it.
    You need to read this book.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #36 - April 10, 2010, 02:58 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 10, 2010, 12:14 AM
    Thats weird, so I assume there are a different set of laws applicable to residents of these 2 streets that only a couple of miles separate?  If you go to a shop in the middle, do in inhabitants of these 2 streets have different amounts to pay because of the different vat rates?


    No, the VAT rates are decided by wherever the shop is located, not by the residency of the customer. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #37 - April 10, 2010, 04:15 PM
    Quote from: Godot on April 10, 2010, 02:23 PM
    Couldn't agree more. It's easy to say something like "they all suck" or "the system is flawed", but it takes a little more effort to get off your ass and do something about it.

    Don't you think that such pseudo-activity simply adds to the problem?
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #38 - April 10, 2010, 05:02 PM
    I'm not saying that ballot spoiling is the only thing you could do. You could protest, campaign, complain to MPs, vote outside the mainstream, etc. - anything is better than simply doing nothing.
    You need to read this book.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #39 - April 10, 2010, 06:21 PM
    Quote from: Godot on April 10, 2010, 05:02 PM
    I'm not saying that ballot spoiling is the only thing you could do. You could protest, campaign, complain to MPs, vote outside the mainstream, etc. - anything is better than simply doing nothing.

    Imo those are all futile tactics.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #40 - April 10, 2010, 08:48 PM
    What do you suggest we do then? Or should we just never bother, since "the man" will always win?
    You need to read this book.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #41 - April 10, 2010, 10:20 PM
    I put SNP , not becuase I agree with their policies but becuase they are the only ones that are pushing for Scottish independence. yes they are tory lite and a  bunch of dicks half of them but they are our bunch of dicks  Alba gu Bragh!  cool2 The idea would be to get them a respectable number of seats so that from a position of power they can agitate for a referendum, the referendum goes in favour of independence, we hold the first ever independent elections, then we vote them out. Simples grin12
    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #42 - April 11, 2010, 10:19 AM
    Quote from: Godot on April 10, 2010, 08:48 PM
    What do you suggest we do then? Or should we just never bother, since "the man" will always win?

    Sometimes the most radically subversive tactics is to do nothing because pseudo activity is already calculated into the system.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #43 - April 11, 2010, 10:21 AM
    Quote from: Kenan on April 10, 2010, 06:21 PM
    Imo those are all futile tactics.


    They often are but not always.
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #44 - April 11, 2010, 10:37 AM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on April 10, 2010, 11:51 AM
    If I could vote, I would vote Legalise Cannabis.  cool2

    BTW, who voted BNP?


    Two FFI members lol it's not reflective of the real member base.  Cheesy
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #45 - April 11, 2010, 10:43 AM
    Hello I'm new Smiley I don't know if anyone is aware that BNP is not racist I watched a confirmation video. One of my friends is a convert and tells me just the good parts... I can't try and tell the convert that it's not racist becos she thinks everything that don't invovle Islam and about Britain is racist. Does anyone have any advice for me to wake her up? Thanks  Huh?
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #46 - April 11, 2010, 10:51 AM
    Hey Boobear  Wink

    Honestly, about the BNP, they were actually forced to accept non white members just recently, if they hadn't been forced by a court of law, then it's highly doubtful they would have ever accepted them.

    It's like those people who say "I'm not racist, I have black friends".....which always sounds more racist in the end. 

    For myself, and I think alot of members here, BNP is racist, and always will be.

    Make an introduction thread in this sub forum http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?board=2.0 <<<

    And hopefully me and some more members can discuss your convert friend, and the best way to help her on that thread.

    Glad you decided to join.  hugs
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #47 - April 11, 2010, 11:16 AM
    From what I understand there are some classical liberals in the lib dems so if I was in the UK I'd probably end up voting for them.
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #48 - April 11, 2010, 11:22 AM
    Oh riightyo when I watched the Vid the party leader said they wernt a racist party :S

    yeah it would be nice to advice gmger or something but I'm too soft to say anything lol
    so it would he a great help Smiley thank you and I'm glad I joined. It's going to be very educational to me as someone who don't know anything about the Islamic religion.  Afro
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #49 - April 11, 2010, 11:29 AM
    Quote from: BooBear on April 11, 2010, 11:22 AM
    Oh riightyo when I watched the Vid the party leader said they wernt a racist party :S

    Look at it this way: what would have happened if he had said they were racist?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #50 - April 11, 2010, 11:33 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 11, 2010, 10:37 AM
    Two FFI members lol it's not reflective of the real member base.  Cheesy

    I would like them to come here and tell us why they would vote for them.


    Quote from: BooBear on April 11, 2010, 10:43 AM
    Hello I'm new Smiley I don't know if anyone is aware that BNP is not racist I watched a confirmation video. One of my friends is a convert and tells me just the good parts... I can't try and tell the convert that it's not racist becos she thinks everything that don't invovle Islam and about Britain is racist. Does anyone have any advice for me to wake her up? Thanks  Huh?

    Could you elaborate?
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #51 - April 11, 2010, 11:35 AM
    Quote from: Kenan on April 11, 2010, 10:19 AM
    Sometimes the most radically subversive tactics is to do nothing because pseudo activity is already calculated into the system.

    Deep.
    You need to read this book.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #52 - April 11, 2010, 11:44 AM
    Quote from: BooBear on April 11, 2010, 10:43 AM
    BNP is not racist


    Yes it is.

    Quote from: BooBear on April 11, 2010, 10:43 AM
    One of my friends is a convert and tells me just the good parts... Does anyone have any advice for me to wake her up? Thanks  Huh?


    It's probably not a good idea to engage her much yourself in discussion if you don't know much about Islam as she will indeed just hit you with the selective nice bits.

    Perhaps you could just gently ask her about things like - "I heard that the Qur'an says you can hit your wife - is that true?" or "I heard that unbelievers will burn in Hell forever - that sounds very cruel?" and perhaps get her to think and maybe research these things herself.

    Also why not invite her here.  Afro
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #53 - April 11, 2010, 11:47 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 11, 2010, 11:44 AM
    Yes it is.

    It's probably not a good idea to engage her much yourself in discussion if you don't know much about Islam as she will indeed just hit you with the selective nice bits.

    Perhaps you could just gently ask her about things like - "I heard that the Qur'an says you can hit your wife - is that true?" or "I heard that unbelievers will burn in Hell forever - that sounds very cruel?" and perhaps get her to think and maybe research these things herself.

    Also why not invite her here.  Afro


    Eh, I wouldn't push too hard or otherwise she might end up running into the arms of 'Muslim groups' that seem to be a breeding ground of extremism. Personally I think BooBear is better off just nodding his head, being supportive, and maybe discuss issues from a theological standpoint.
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #54 - April 11, 2010, 12:15 PM
    Thank you hassan that's a good thought. I didn't even think to say something like Smiley I'm sure she could find an excuse for that though but not a good one as she sometimes gets hits from her husband... I don't know the story behind closed doors but she does tell me. I try not to get involved as I don't know the religion. But I'm hopin you guys will change that and help me if I have any questions  Cheesy
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #55 - April 11, 2010, 12:28 PM
    Quote from: BooBear on April 11, 2010, 12:15 PM
    Thank you hassan that's a good thought. I didn't even think to say something like Smiley I'm sure she could find an excuse for that though but not a good one as she sometimes gets hits from her husband... I don't know the story behind closed doors but she does tell me. I try not to get involved as I don't know the religion. But I'm hopin you guys will change that and help me if I have any questions  Cheesy


    I used to make excuses for it when I used to get beat by my ex husband, I was brought up as a muslim though, so I was taught it was ok from young.

    I find convert women baffling to be honest, they were brought up with freedom I used to dream about, and then they throw it away and start accepting that they are second class citizens at best.  It's quite sad when you think about.

    I think it comes from low self esteem to be honest, and often if you look back into that persons childhood there are abandonment issues or childhood abuse to explain it.  If there isn't, that's when I can not understand it at all.   wacko

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #56 - April 11, 2010, 12:58 PM
    Yeah maybe. I wouldn't know I have never been Muslim nor would I convert. So I have always had freedom.

    I was Reading something that the sharia law allows marriages on young girls :( a 13 year had got married to a 40 year old man and obviously they are supposed to consummate the marrige they had sex and she died a few days later or so becos her genitals ruptured and her insides couldn't take it. That's soo sad :(
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #57 - April 11, 2010, 01:05 PM
    Quote from: BooBear on April 11, 2010, 12:58 PM
    Yeah maybe. I wouldn't know I have never been Muslim nor would I convert. So I have always had freedom.

    I was Reading something that the sharia law allows marriages on young girls :( a 13 year had got married to a 40 year old man and obviously they are supposed to consummate the marrige they had sex and she died a few days later or so becos her genitals ruptured and her insides couldn't take it. That's soo sad :(


    Yeah, it was posted here too:  http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9671.0

    We read far too many sad stories about young girls like that all the time.  :'( 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #58 - April 11, 2010, 01:09 PM
    Though I'm Eurasian, my grandpa being a Chinese immigrant to Australia and my grandma being a Welsh-English immigrant to Australia; and gay... I can sort of understand, to some degrees, the BNP and their concerns with Islamism. The problem with the BNP is that they put everyone into two huge clumped categories of "good people" and "bad people", and somehow assume that any person that doesn't look like them is an alien; and that's ridiculous.

    My main problem is that I sometimes feel that, as Geert Wilders put it, the larger the Muslim population is in a country and the less freedoms people have. This is why I support some sort of selective immigration, Indian people being the most successful minority group in England, highly integrated and highly educated and highly involved in mainstream society, it seems logical to bring more Indian immigrants into a country if you can expect them to integrate well (by and large); same can be said for Chinese immigrants who do put a large emphasis on integration; much is the case in Vancouver where my aunt now lives, and who have a bustling Chinese population that are very peaceful. For whatever reason, the problem of clashing groups of people seems to have a lot to do with Muslims... It just doesn't happen to the extent and regularity with other groups.

    Point is, I guess, I can see how the BNP is concerned with the threat of Islamism, but they distort it and completely lose their message when they say that every single immigrant is evil. That is just indiscriminate hatred...

    But hey, maybe I'm completely wrong, I don't know. Long live freedom though!  Cheesy Cheesy
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #59 - April 11, 2010, 01:52 PM
    The BNP actually have the balls to say no to things like uncontrolled immigration (something a lot of people are hush-hush about in case they get labelled racist) and Islam (again, many do not want to 'offend' the Muslim community). Since the top 3 have failed to talk about these issues properly, the BNP are clever enough to use this to our advantage and this is the reason why people, who are NOT racist and do not necessarily adhere to solely protecting Britain's indegious population (i.e. White people), have started voting for them in recent years.

    They are changing openly discriminatory rules because they are being forced to do so. They are also very careful to not actually talk in a racist manner, in public, so nobody can accuse them of something which is known but not openly admitted.

    The manifesto's are released tomorrow, yes?
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