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  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #90 - January 08, 2012, 08:03 PM

    EDL are a bunch of dimwits. If EDL are the saviors of England then i feel sorry for England, My England!. Cheesy

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #91 - January 09, 2012, 12:28 PM

    Every time that we EDL are attacked our numbers swell, every time one of us is jailed we become more determined to rid our nation of Islamists and Islam.
    When Tommy is attacked, they attack all of us.

    Arthur.


    the edl has a perception problem now, once outsiders demonise a group as racist as a way to dodge criticism its very difficult to shake of that perception
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #92 - January 09, 2012, 08:11 PM

    Yes, the media demonise us in every way they can, you should see that as fear politics and that should tell you something. The media and politicians are frightened of us. why?

    Arthur.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #93 - January 11, 2012, 02:33 PM

    ^^we live in an age of political correctness and time where criticism of religion is still considered taboo.

    I've actually been called a racist myself for my opinions of islam by muslims online who are the same race as me who've thought i'm some white supremacist European lol. Once they realise i'm brown myself and an ethnic pakistani they completely stumped and can't pull out the race card as a red herring. Then i'm not a racist, i'm just an islamphobe  whistling2
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #94 - January 11, 2012, 02:55 PM

    the edl has a perception problem now, once outsiders demonise a group as racist as a way to dodge criticism its very difficult to shake of that perception

    Especially difficult when they are actually violent racist scumbags.

    The media and politicians are frightened of us. why?

    Nobody is afraid of you. You're old news.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #95 - January 12, 2012, 06:00 AM

    Ishina, you can't be racist towards islam lol. By your logic you yourself would be a racist for being critical of islam

    firstly islam isn't the colour of a physical skin pigment but a theological & political ideology

    secondly islam itself claims it for all races and crosses all racial boundaries

    thirdly if anyone is racist, it's that arab supremacist mohammed who called blacks 'raisons' & 'pug nosed'
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #96 - January 12, 2012, 06:55 AM

    Especially difficult when they are actually violent racist scumbags.
    Nobody is afraid of you. You're old news.


    I didn't notice. Heck, somebody should have warned me.  Well I've just been put wise, so  thnkyu Ishina, I didn't know C.E.M.B. had two bona fida apologists, one from E.D.L. and even a representative from the we-don't-do-that-sort-of-thing-anymore-we're-a-proper-political-party-now-B.N.P.  

    Interesting.

    First reaction?  I don't take a word of anything I've ever written back. cool2

    "And you, you are a fantasy, a view from where you'd like to think the world should see, just be true, and you will likely find a few building a vision, doing justice to our times."
    Roy Harper, addressing the doorstep evangelists, dawa-doers and other self-appointed representitives.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #97 - January 12, 2012, 07:40 AM

    Ishina, you can't be racist towards islam lol.

    Ahoy there, Captain Obvious!

    By your logic you yourself would be a racist for being critical of islam

    The idea that I've ever accused someone of racism for criticising Islam is something you've just invented. So it's your logic, not mine.

    firstly islam isn't the colour of a physical skin pigment but a theological & political ideology

    Your insight is both fascinating and informative. Please, tell me more about what Islam is.

    ...

    Well I've just been put wise, so  thnkyu Ishina, I didn't know C.E.M.B. had two bona fida apologists, one from E.D.L. and even a representative from the we-don't-do-that-sort-of-thing-anymore-we're-a-proper-political-party-now-B.N.P.

    No matter what inexcusable crap the EDL have been in the news for, Arthur will be here, quick as a flash, doing his dutiful damage limitation and PR. Trouble is, he's so fucking colossally stupid and ignorant that he's bound to say something ridiculous and make it worse.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #98 - January 12, 2012, 10:13 AM

    Thanks for making me check again. What a lot of posts. There's a blurred line between BNP supporter and EDL supporter, too, no matter how I try to keep a distinction.  That's because if you move in certain circles you'll consider yourself cool and a "real man" if you are a member of both who just doesn't pay his subs.

    "And you, you are a fantasy, a view from where you'd like to think the world should see, just be true, and you will likely find a few building a vision, doing justice to our times."
    Roy Harper, addressing the doorstep evangelists, dawa-doers and other self-appointed representitives.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #99 - January 12, 2012, 07:41 PM

    The idea that I've ever accused someone of racism for criticising Islam is something you've just invented. So it's your logic, not mine.
    erm didn't you say the EDL are racist? when their mandates states they are an organisation who are anti-islam. Followers of islam are white, black, brown, purple orange so it's fallacous to call some who dislikes islam a racist. There's 5 million white muslims in the world btw or can u be racist to your own race too ? Cheesy

    Your insight is both fascinating and informative. Please, tell me more about what Islam is.
    sarcasm is the lowest form of wit

    No matter what inexcusable crap the EDL have been in the news for, Arthur will be here, quick as a flash, doing his dutiful damage limitation and PR. Trouble is, he's so fucking colossally stupid and ignorant that he's bound to say something ridiculous and make it worse.
    your red herrings and personal attacks remind me of the tactics used by islamic apologists in debates, discuss the content of what he's saying and why u agree/disagree with it. This thread isn't about assesing Arthurs personality traits.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #100 - January 12, 2012, 08:32 PM

    erm didn't you say the EDL are racist? when their mandates states they are an organisation who are anti-islam. Followers of islam are white, black, brown, purple orange so it's fallacous to call some who dislikes islam a racist. There's 5 million white muslims in the world btw or can u be racist to your own race too ? Cheesy

    I called them racist because they are racist. Not because they also occasionally criticise Islam.

    Quote from the EDL website:
    "We would rather stand with one proud black patriot than a hundred scumbag racists - that's where we stand"

    Quote from EDL protestors:
    "Go back to your own country, you fucking paki bastards."

    your red herrings and personal attacks remind me of the tactics used by islamic apologists in debates, discuss the content of what he's saying and why u agree/disagree with it. This thread isn't about assesing Arthurs personality traits.

    You say that as though he's presented an actual argument anywhere in the thread. All he's done is stumble into the thread, declared his allegiance with some piss-weak threat, claimed to be oh-so-persecuted, then stumble out of the thread again.

    sarcasm is the lowest form of wit

    Being completely witless, like you, would be the lowest form of wit.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #101 - January 12, 2012, 08:54 PM

    I had never heard of this guy before this thread, but I'm really happy that he got his head kicked in.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #102 - January 13, 2012, 05:30 AM

    I had never heard of this guy before this thread, but I'm really happy that he got his head kicked in.

    Well I'm really sad that I can't agree with you on this (as I've already posted) - but I'm really glad I've found the C.E.M.B.-character called Prince.  Why?

    All respect to you for reading that long post addressed to you personally by Bahira if you did.  Or if you haven't seen it yet there is a post which must be for you, who else, here, would get such an epistle addresssed to "Hi Prince"?  And I definitely like the "Spinoza" bit which our resident warner of "Jesus Coming Soon" forgot.  You must have been kind to her to get such a post addressed in such terms and all respect to you if you can read it all in one go and have done so already. 

    Oh sorry, off thread, off topic, but hi anyway.

    "And you, you are a fantasy, a view from where you'd like to think the world should see, just be true, and you will likely find a few building a vision, doing justice to our times."
    Roy Harper, addressing the doorstep evangelists, dawa-doers and other self-appointed representitives.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #103 - January 13, 2012, 05:44 AM

    Well I'm really sad that I can't agree with you on this (as I've already posted)

    Yeah I don't get the objections, where I grew up if you acted like a dick to a bunch of people, you got a bat in your face. It's a pretty effective method of discouraging someone from being a dick to a bunch of people.

    Quote
    - but I'm really glad I've found the C.E.M.B.-character called Prince.  Why?

    All respect to you for reading that long post addressed to you personally by Bahira if you did.  Or if you haven't seen it yet there is a post which must be for you, who else, here, would get such an epistle addresssed to "Hi Prince"?  And I definitely like the "Spinoza" bit which our resident warner of "Jesus Coming Soon" forgot.  You must have been kind to her to get such a post addressed in such terms and all respect to you if you can read it all in one go and have done so already. 

    Oh sorry, off thread, off topic, but hi anyway.

     Cheesy
    Hai.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #104 - January 13, 2012, 05:49 AM

    Yeah I don't get the objections, where I grew up if you acted like a dick to a bunch of people, you got a bat in your face. It's a pretty effective method of discouraging someone from being a dick to a bunch of people.
     Cheesy
    Hai.


    Even if he was guilty of everything he's accused of on this thread, I'm still opposed to violence from self-appointed vigilantes (whether identity Muslims strutting their stuff, Islamists on the Maudidi-vanguard agenda or just a rival football-firm) - on the same grounds as Fish and Harakaat who I posted to agree with.

    I merely consider him guilty of what the Hope not Hate Campaign (Nick Lowles & Co) accuse him of - using the EDL to manipulate public sentiment, incite the troublemakers of one community to incite the larger British community against that one community.

    Nick Lowles, however fails to address the concerns which this Robinson guy claims set him off - the Islamists who were honest enough about their attempts to manipulate public sentiment by accusing soldiers with the vilest of slanders.

    So, I'm opposed to (the reported) violence for another reason that Fish & HaraKaat didn't mention.  It plays - if Nick Lowles analysis is correct (about the EDL as it is rather than the alleged reasons for setting it up) - into the EDL agenda.

    If your opponent wants violence why do you give your opponent what he wants?  Do you need to prove that you are stronger, harder and more stupid than he, to beat him in a small, insignificant, physical battle - knowing that your actions may well help your opponent to win the larger war (which is a war for public perception)?

    Fish & Harakat explained all this much more concisely, and coherently I seem to remember.  My excuse is that I can't find a particular quote from Nick Lowles in the Hope not Hate emails I have accumulated.  

    My criticism of the broad opposition to both the EDL & the BNP is that this coalition wants to polarise the issues just as much as the EDL and BNP want to polarise these issues.   Same principle.  Why do meat-heads always give their meat-head enemies what they want?  Because they're meat-heads.  But the coalition against the EDL and the BNP are not all meat-heads they should know better.

    Who gains from communal strife and division?

    I suggest that elements of both sides gain. The BNP & EDL obviously, but the Islamist shit-stirrers gain too and we don't defend, and shouldn't applaud, those kind of Muslims here, I don't think.  Just my opinion.
    _________________________________________________
    Editted because I posted it unfinished in the first place.

    "And you, you are a fantasy, a view from where you'd like to think the world should see, just be true, and you will likely find a few building a vision, doing justice to our times."
    Roy Harper, addressing the doorstep evangelists, dawa-doers and other self-appointed representitives.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #105 - January 13, 2012, 11:20 AM

    "Go back to your own country, you fucking paki bastards."

    yeh. cos a few idiots really represent the whole organisation  whistling2

    Being completely witless, like you, would be the lowest form of wit.

    riiiiiiittteee
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #106 - January 13, 2012, 11:43 AM

    One extreme fought the other. End of story. I have been quite close to some EDL supporters and circles, and everywhere I turn to look, I see photos of Christian knights of the Crusader period, I see them writing about fighting and dying for Christianity, then on the other side, I see supporters of the Muslim defence league and Muslims against Crusades posting pictures of Arab Muslim men on top of Horses/Camels with big swords.

    No different....one has a clean shave while the other has a beard.

    These EDL supporters are Christian fundie/Far right Jewish Kahanists, they hold the same views the far right Islamists hold, they are all one extreme of the same nature.

    Now if Tommy was a good guy who was concerned about Radical Islamists attacking and harassing innocent people he would have never associated himself with the likes or Roberta Moore, Jewish defence league, Brevik the cunt, Christian far right groups, Christian fundie pastors from America etc etc etc.

    He wanted this to happen from the start, he will gain media attention for this, and a whole bunch of gullible cunts to join his cause.

    Far right Christian fundies, Jewish Orthodox Fanatics and Islamists are all the same cheek of a three cheek ass if that makes any sense at all.

    One side he says all Muslims are a threat to his values but on the other side he says we protect law following Muslims. Hes a hypocrite man!

    Hes like Imran Khan, one side he fucks Sita white out of wed lock and does Zina but on the other side he calls the Taliban heroes.

    Fuck them all man!

    Let them all beat each other up. Maybe we can colonise them with rationality when there all dimished.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #107 - January 19, 2012, 06:12 AM

    .... Hes like Imran Khan, one side he fucks Sita white out of wed lock and does Zina but on the other side he calls the Taliban heroes.
    Fuck them all man!


    I liked your post very much buddie.  I'm sorry that other things got in the way of me posting back right away.  What has brought me back to this thread is two emails. One about a PM from a C.E.M.B. member which was nice and another from Hope not Hate.  I'll just paste the email from Hope not Hate - its just a routine email (not the one I spent ages looking for) - but if you want to discuss Imran Khan some more, now that I've finished his book, "Pakistan" and taken it back to the library, or other issues that crop up in your post, I'm up for it.

    For now, here is Hope not Hate's email for this thread - while I still have it in my 'pasteboard' -
    ___________________________________________________________________
    Dear Patrick,

    The BNP is on the ropes and now we intend to finish the job.

    In this year’s local elections we have the opportunity to wipe the BNP out from almost all of its remaining strongholds in the country. This includes Burnley, where the BNP won its first councillor in 2002 and went on to become the second largest party on the council. It also includes Amber Valley, Calderdale, Rotherham, Pendle, Three Rivers, Epping Forest, Thurrock and Nuneaton & Bedworth - all local authorities where they won when these seats were last contested. We also want to ensure that the BNP is not re-elected onto the London Assembly, with its £50,000 a year wage, tax-payer funded staff and office support.

    This is a really exciting prospect and one that seemed unimaginable a few years ago.

    Can you help us finish off the BNP?
    http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/bye-bye-bnp

    Given the current economic climate the BNP, and other far right groups, should be doing better. That they are not is, in no small part, down to the work you have put in over the last three years. In 2009, when the BNP won two seats in the European Parliament, it looked as though they were likely to become part of the political mainstream. With over 60 councillors, two MEPs and a London Assembly member it looked as though they were here for good. But 2009 now seems a long time ago. Since then we have defeated the BNP everywhere.

    Now we have a chance to finish the job. Defeat the BNP in the 2012 elections and they will be a rump of a party with just two borough councillors and one county councillor at a local level. And these will fall soon enough.

    Wave Bye Bye to the BNP
    http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/bye-bye-bnp

    At some stage, as the cuts bite and unemployment rises, there will be a resurgence of the far right – be it in the ballot box or on the street. And we will be ready for that. But I also know that the weaker we can make the BNP now, the harder it will be for them to re-emerge.

    We have brought the BNP to its knees. Please help us finish the job. Together, let’s wave Bye Bye to the BNP.

    Nick


    "And you, you are a fantasy, a view from where you'd like to think the world should see, just be true, and you will likely find a few building a vision, doing justice to our times."
    Roy Harper, addressing the doorstep evangelists, dawa-doers and other self-appointed representitives.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #108 - January 19, 2012, 06:32 AM

    The way to destroy the BNP and EDL is to allow them to speak.

    There wasn't a more disastrous piece of PR for the BNP than when Nick Griffin went on Question Time and got a chance to speak. He set his party back a decade simply by opening his mouth. I bet even BNP members cringed and I bet many disowned him.

    And when this fake hardman Tommy Robinson was being interviewed on some other programme, it just showed the whole world how fucking colossally ignorant he is and how fucking incoherant and immature his politics are.

    In fact, they should invite Nick Griffin on every Question Time. Throw a few difficult questions to him, watch his ugly toad face squirm and see him destroy his own credibility in front of the nation. Bring little Tommy along too, have him sitting on Nick Griffin's knee. Pair of soft cunts.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #109 - January 19, 2012, 09:48 AM

    The way to destroy the BNP and EDL is to allow them to speak.


    THAT is one of the phrases I was struggling to try to remember.  With whoever said it originally (mabe it wasn't Nick Lowles, as I thought) and with whoever is still saying it - I have to agree with.

    "And you, you are a fantasy, a view from where you'd like to think the world should see, just be true, and you will likely find a few building a vision, doing justice to our times."
    Roy Harper, addressing the doorstep evangelists, dawa-doers and other self-appointed representitives.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #110 - January 19, 2012, 11:37 AM

    And there's me thinking I was being all original n'shit.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #111 - January 19, 2012, 11:43 AM

     Smiley

    "And you, you are a fantasy, a view from where you'd like to think the world should see, just be true, and you will likely find a few building a vision, doing justice to our times."
    Roy Harper, addressing the doorstep evangelists, dawa-doers and other self-appointed representitives.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #112 - January 19, 2012, 11:54 AM

    THAT is one of the phrases I was struggling to try to remember.  With whoever said it originally (mabe it wasn't Nick Lowles, as I thought) and with whoever is still saying it - I have to agree with.


    That actually works. Neo-nazi and far-right groups in the Nordic countries (Sweden and Norway particularly) have been allowed equal rights as all other political and ideological groups.

    In Norway you had this small Neo-nazi group called Vigrid, they just dissolved the organization in 2009. The same with the party Norwegian Patriots (Norgespatriotene)_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Patriots

    PS: Of course they are both not as big as BNP and EDL.

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #113 - January 20, 2012, 11:16 AM

    That actually works. Neo-nazi and far-right groups in the Nordic countries (Sweden and Norway particularly) .....
    PS: Of course they are both not as big as BNP and EDL.



    Well the BNP seem to be collapsing due to lack of funds according the Hope not Hate email but, when I posted that ............ I hadn't seen this video which arrived at the same conclusion way back last year in September.  It's the same guy, "Coughlan616", that is getting slagged off for a different video on another thread.  But Admin man Billy seems to have all that under control so ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iTmXRh7C68&list=FLMcc0TIJdWGoCvgeXHz0lIQ&index=1

    So maybe I might deliver some more leaflets in Burnley 'cause I think they're just about non-existant in Darwen due to the currious existance of the "For Darwen" Party which I can only describe as Localisms answer to Nationalism's extreme-right paties.

    But hey, if it kept the BNP out of power on the local council (and it did), maybe I shouldn't knock "For Darwen" who, after all, are considerably less right-wing than the BNP.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Darwen_Party

    Because I remember when I was leafletting for Craig Murray when the BNP got more votes than Craig Murray (who was standing as an independent candidate against Jack Straw) did and - sad to say - kept their deposit.  This is not to say they won - after all the BNP and Craig Murray were standing against Jack Straw for Blackburn's MP.  Craig Murray?  I don't deny helping him and I still believe his allegations against the "war on terror" machinations, which Jack Straw - as Foriegn Secretary at the time - must have known about. http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/craig_murray.html

    But I'm just hoping the BNP loose their deposit in every constituency.  That may put the nail in the coffin.   As this Coughlan guy says the end of the BNP will not be the end of populist Right-Wing parties.  The EDL might even morph into a political party then maybe it can loose a lot of deposits too.

    "And you, you are a fantasy, a view from where you'd like to think the world should see, just be true, and you will likely find a few building a vision, doing justice to our times."
    Roy Harper, addressing the doorstep evangelists, dawa-doers and other self-appointed representitives.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #114 - January 23, 2012, 03:17 PM

    good.

    The fruits of his labour.

    That ashole got what he deserved.

    I can't condone or take delight in this sort of barbarism, no matter who’s on the receiving end. To those of you capable of expressing joy after a man is violently assaulted and hospitalised, I have to ask: how are you any better than the very people you criticize? Where is your humanity?
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #115 - January 23, 2012, 03:30 PM

    Nobody was asking for your approval.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #116 - January 23, 2012, 03:40 PM

    What can I say, I'm a bad person. Stay away from me.
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #117 - January 23, 2012, 04:59 PM

    I think it's wrong, unless the guy was physically threatening and violence used as self defence. It will also only encourage the more simple minded people to quickly take this event and generalise even more with 'pakis/muslims = violent etc etc' you know the story, and lead to sympathy for EDL, BNP and such. We all know the world hardly lacks simple minded people...

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: EDL leader beaten up
     Reply #118 - January 23, 2012, 05:25 PM

    It's just a scumbag racist who got a kicking. I doubt he'll be getting much sympathy. I doubt many people even give a shit. Or even hear about it. I wouldn't have known about it if someone hadn't posted it here. I've not seen it on the news or anything. The kind of people who would be encouraged by this don't need an excuse for a fight. They are kicking shit out of each other most weekends anyway.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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