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  • right, wrong
     OP - May 19, 2010, 12:22 PM
    Ever since i started to apostasize, i began to think what is right and what is wrong, and now i was thinking about incest, pedophilia and polygamy. Although i think that we should accept them as a human, i was thinking....is it right, or wrong? yet again, why should i be thinking about right and wrong?? what is your opinion? right, wrong as moral, immoral. And the line is becoming grey, is it better? or worse?
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #1 - May 19, 2010, 12:29 PM
    You should think about what is good for the human race.
    Incest, pedophilia and polygamy (to varying degrees) all negatively effect the healthy upbringing of children so they are wrong.
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #2 - May 19, 2010, 12:34 PM
    Anything truly consensual is pretty much OK. Thereby paedophilia cannot be right by definition. Incest and polygamy are gray areas - it all depends on circumstances.
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #3 - May 19, 2010, 12:39 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on May 19, 2010, 12:34 PM
    Anything truly consensual is pretty much OK. Thereby paedophilia cannot be right by definition. Incest and polygamy are gray areas - it all depends on circumstances.

    this.
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #4 - May 19, 2010, 12:39 PM
    Yep, but underage consent does not count..
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  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #5 - May 19, 2010, 12:41 PM
    Exactly. As stated above: "Thereby paedophilia cannot be right by definition."
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #6 - May 19, 2010, 12:56 PM
    Having sex with slaves - right
    Beating your wife - right
    marrying a 6 year old - right
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #7 - May 19, 2010, 12:57 PM
    Quote from: Chef on May 19, 2010, 12:56 PM
    Having sex with slaves - right
    Beating your wife - right
    marrying a 6 year old - right

    playing chess - wrong

    lol
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  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #8 - May 19, 2010, 12:58 PM
    i agree with islame but incest and polygamy are ok as long as consentual...
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #9 - May 19, 2010, 01:01 PM
    killing 700 surrendered people (grown up men) and using there women and children as slaves (including young pretty women as sex-slaves) - right
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #10 - May 19, 2010, 01:05 PM
    Quote from: li on May 19, 2010, 12:58 PM
    i agree with islame but incest and polygamy are ok as long as consentual...

    Yeah, but only if they are truly consensual.
    Not because societal norms demand it for example.
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #11 - May 19, 2010, 01:37 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 19, 2010, 12:57 PM
    lol but playing chess is wrong  Baseball bat


    LOL
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #12 - May 19, 2010, 01:48 PM
    Incest is wrong if it
    A) involves minors
    B) Could lead to childbirth
    C) Threatens to destroy healthy family dynamics.

    If my adult brother is consentually fucking my mother, it would kinda unfairly fuck up all kinds of important relationships within the family. It would be so wrong. (BTW I don't have a brother)
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #13 - May 19, 2010, 01:51 PM
    ^ Agreed.
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #14 - May 19, 2010, 01:54 PM
    Polygamy is as wrong as someone deciding to have a child as a single parent. It is not an ideal environment to be raised. Sure lots of people are being raised in less than ideal situations. We have to make the best of that. The point is that we should at least attempt to give every child two fulltime parents.

    bring it on. Smiley
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #15 - May 19, 2010, 02:01 PM
    Thereby polygamy is OK as long as there are no kids involved?
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #16 - May 19, 2010, 02:02 PM
    If its consenting adults, yeah. 
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  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #17 - May 19, 2010, 02:06 PM
    Quote from: Submissive Bob on May 19, 2010, 01:54 PM
    It is not an ideal environment to be raised.

    Frankly I don't see why this would be strictly true.
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #18 - May 19, 2010, 02:12 PM
    Oh dear, lets not start the pedo thread all over again  whistling2
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  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #19 - May 19, 2010, 02:18 PM
    Wasn't it incest thread? And I missed it.
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #20 - May 19, 2010, 03:27 PM
    In my opinion not everything that's bad is wrong.

    Polygamy= bad but not necessarily wrong
    Incest= bad but not necessarily wrong
    Pedophilia= bad and wrong

    By bad I mean undesirable/unacceptable/unhealthy. By wrong I mean it should be criminalized.
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #21 - May 19, 2010, 03:41 PM
    IA, why is polygamy bad?
    fuck you
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #22 - May 19, 2010, 03:49 PM
    Because I believe the traditional nuclear family is the best setting for the upbringing of the children, the financial security, and the stability of the relationship and sexual life of the couple. *generally* of course.
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #23 - May 19, 2010, 03:55 PM
    So by that logic, a single parent raising a child/children is "bad".

    And what evidence do you have that a nuclear family is the best family structure?
    fuck you
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #24 - May 19, 2010, 04:00 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on May 19, 2010, 03:55 PM
    So by that logic, a single parent raising a child/children is "bad".

    Bad as in undesirable, yes.


    Quote from: Q-Man on May 19, 2010, 03:55 PM
    And what evidence do you have that a nuclear family is the best family structure?

    No evidence. Just my subjective opinion.
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #25 - May 19, 2010, 04:09 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on May 19, 2010, 04:00 PM
    Bad as in undesirable, yes. 


    Less desirable than the ideal situation? I could probably buy that, but "undesirable" generally-speaking? I don't think you can know that. At best you could infer it from a thorough and methodologically-sound study comparing the outcomes of those living/raised in single parent households versus those living/raised in two-parent households, while controlling for as many variables as possible. But even then you could not say in every circumstance that it is "undesirable", as there are potentially worse alternatives involving a two-parent household. I think I'm probably better off for not having had my dad around much growing up.
    fuck you
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #26 - May 19, 2010, 04:13 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on May 19, 2010, 04:09 PM
    Less desirable than the ideal situation? I could probably buy that, but "undesirable" generally-speaking?

    That's exactly what I meant.
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #27 - May 19, 2010, 04:17 PM
    Paedophilia is just an attraction to children, is it not? In that case I wouldn't say it's 'wrong'. If that's how you feel then that's how you feel. What would be wrong is acting on those impulses. As was stated, children cannot consent to sex, it would be pretty much rape.
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #28 - May 19, 2010, 04:51 PM
    According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), pedophilia is specified as a form of paraphilia in which a person either has intense sexual urges towards children, and experiences recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about children that they have either acted on, or cause distress or interpersonal difficulty.[3]

    It's more than just an acttraction to children. It is a disorder. A disorder that causes distress and interpersonal difficulty. A non-acting pedophile may not be a "Bad" person, but his condition is not good and likely requires treatment.


    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: right, wrong
     Reply #29 - May 19, 2010, 05:07 PM
    From my experience and observations parenting is a two person job, which in many cases can get done by one person with great difficulty. Like the accordian wings on my air conditioning unit in my house are all cracked and I've sealed them up with duct tape and they work fine and the house is cool but I would never buy one new like that.

    So my child rearing guide would say: This job is recommended for 2 qualified people. Do not attempt to do this alone, but if you end up alone then do your best.

    And I guess the job of parenting starts with trying to find a partner capable of sharing the responsibility and workload in the first place.
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
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