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Reply #30 - June 16, 2010, 12:38 PM

Quote from: billy on June 16, 2010, 12:07 PM
This is why I don't get involved in discussions about Israel / Palestine. It always comes down to a polarising and frankly irrelevant zero sum game like this.

I don't agree with the state of Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, but I support its right to exist.

Yeah that's what I was thinking... I used to biased towards one side but once you get to meet the everyday people from there from both sides you change. I've talked to Israelis who served and recently I was talking to a friend of mine who is from Gaza and still has a family there. Once you notice the everyday people you begin to notice the real tragedy of the whole thing.

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Reply #31 - June 16, 2010, 12:39 PM

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Reply #32 - June 16, 2010, 12:45 PM

Quote from: Heyjustlooking on June 16, 2010, 12:26 PM
Ye, same here. The palestinians are suffering because of these disproportionate attacks and Hamas and other hardline Islamic parties are adding fuel to the fire.

The Palestinians are at fault when it comes to choosing their leaders. Their problem is that they are far more attracted to hotheads and people who cause trouble than 'boring', more diplomatic leaders who are more interested in building an economy at the moment then going to Israeli prisons. Take the prime minister of the PLO Salam Fayyad. He's turned the WB into a mini Israel after it was nearly destroyed and ravaged by the time Arafat was dead.

We had a similar situation in the 60s when we were getting our independence.. Fortunately our independence was secured by a level headed politician and not the rabble rouser that was also present.

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Reply #33 - June 16, 2010, 12:51 PM

Quote from: BlackDog on June 16, 2010, 12:32 PM
Ha! Dear Yeezevee said REMOVE MUHAMMAD AND HIS ROBOTS from the Land of Judea..
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No..no..no..nooooo., nooooooooooooo, I didn't say that dear VeeZeYeeBlackDog., what I said was.

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Remove Muhammad's Islam from the minds of Palestinians and the people who are surrounded this land, I will solve Israel / Palestine problems in months if not weeks..

So remove Muhammad's Islam from the minds of people .. "NOT REMOVE MUHAMMAD AND HIS ROBOTS"..

Muhammad is dead.. he is gone case., what we need to work with is that 15% robots in Islam and 75% of Muslim folks who are Muslims for NO FAULT of their..

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Reply #34 - June 16, 2010, 12:54 PM

You're cool Yeezevee
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Reply #35 - June 16, 2010, 02:19 PM

Quote from: ras111 on June 16, 2010, 12:45 PM
Take the prime minister of the PLO Salam Fayyad. He's turned the WB into a mini Israel after it was nearly destroyed and ravaged by the time Arafat was dead.

Yes you're right. I've spoken with a Palestinian from Hebron and he that told me the standards of living and level of income there is much higher than Gaza.
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Reply #36 - June 16, 2010, 03:03 PM

Quote from: BlackDog on June 16, 2010, 12:32 PM
Ha! Dear Yeezevee said REMOVE MUHAMMAD AND HIS ROBOTS from the Land of Judea..

Yes yes robots are bad maybe Allah ~~software should be wiped~~ or we can ~~pray~~ pay my boy Billie Gates to cause bluescreen

Or we can get my dear Friend Steve JObs to do job on Jewish brain virus or redesign

Look at this video of Steve Jobs masterwork

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Reply #37 - June 16, 2010, 04:21 PM
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Reply #38 - June 16, 2010, 05:07 PM

Quote from: BlackDog on June 16, 2010, 04:21 PM

....Yes yes robots are bad maybe Allah..

bad?? they are terrible. Apparently in Japan Men are replaced by Robots., I would not be surprised to read women leaving their husbands and boy friends for robots.

But these Islamic robots like these you see in these three videos are far more deadly than those robodicks controlled by Bill Gates software..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq88egK755k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b2Uylv7jfc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeOExvUZHKw

So yes BD., we got to short circuit their brain..

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Reply #39 - June 16, 2010, 05:41 PM

"But these Islamic robots like these you see in these three videos are far more deadly than those robodicks controlled by Bill Gates software.."

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Reply #40 - June 16, 2010, 05:58 PM

IA, lol...yes, but there is a good reason for it...I'm just sick of this stupid conflict.

It isn't special, the same thing happened to like a million different peoples during the 'end of empires' after WW1. Hell, the entire greek population of turkey was kicked out of the country (to use one example).
This stupid conflict could have been settled and put behind long long ago, except everyone there is kookoo bananas, preventing reasonable solutions.

2nd, you know how many people have been killed in this conflict in the last 10 years? Around 5500 (on both sides).
In that same time frame how many people were killed in the congo war? What 3 million. How about currently in Darfur?

Oh, but the whole world, has to care about this one stupid conflict. Oh yes, its the greatest crisis of the century, heavens to betsy.

Screw them. When they decide to grow up and stop living out a bad telenova from the bronze age (abe banged hagar, his wife got jelouse, dem bitches fought or the deed to one of moses crooled realestate deals) or obsessing over rocks (here is where muhammed's donkey flew to heaven, here is where god makes his summer home, here is where jebus is going to land, hay this rock is a jew detector) and just do the insanely simple things they need to do, then maybe I'll give a rats ass....till then I hope scientists find a cure for whatever is in the water there.

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Reply #41 - June 16, 2010, 05:59 PM

^^ Great post.
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Reply #42 - June 16, 2010, 06:00 PM

Uncle Homer!!
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Reply #43 - June 16, 2010, 06:07 PM

Quote from: Cool Canadian on June 16, 2010, 02:52 AM
Because I suck at polls lol. Plus, the others were right. This isn't the topic where you post a vote. Its more specific.

Can you dance at ~~poles~~ polls?

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Reply #44 - June 16, 2010, 06:10 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on June 16, 2010, 12:51 PM
No..no..no..nooooo., nooooooooooooo, I didn't say that dear VeeZeYeeBlackDog., what I said was.

So remove Muhammad's Islam from the minds of people .. "NOT REMOVE MUHAMMAD AND HIS ROBOTS"..

Muhammad is dead.. he is gone case., what we need to work with is that 15% robots in Islam and 75% of Muslim folks who are Muslims for NO FAULT of their..

just be patient deer Yeezeevee your Janitor of the Month hat is coming soon .. "NEVER UNDER ESTIMATE THE POWER OF A YEEZEEVEE JEDI"..

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Reply #45 - June 16, 2010, 06:14 PM

Quote from: Homer on June 16, 2010, 05:58 PM
It isn't special, the same thing happened to like a million different peoples during the 'end of empires' after WW1. Hell, the entire greek population of turkey was kicked out of the country (to use one example).
This stupid conflict could have been settled and put behind long long ago, except everyone there is kookoo bananas, preventing reasonable solutions.

+1!!

Quote from: Homer on June 16, 2010, 05:58 PM
2nd, you know how many people have been killed in this conflict in the last 10 years? Around 5500 (on both sides).
In that same time frame how many people were killed in the congo war? What 3 million. How about currently in Darfur?

Oh, but the whole world, has to care about this one stupid conflict. Oh yes, its the greatest crisis of the century, heavens to betsy.

+1000!!!

BTW, do you (or anyone) have a link/source for that number/estimate in bold. I've heard this before and need a credible source for it to use in heated internet (and offternet) debates about the ridonkulousness of the whole I-P issue.

Quote from: Homer on June 16, 2010, 05:58 PM
Screw them. When they decide to grow up and stop living out a bad telenova from the bronze age (abe banged hagar, his wife got jelouse, dem bitches fought or the deed to one of moses crooled realestate deals) or obsessing over rocks (here is where muhammed's donkey flew to heaven, here is where god makes his summer home, here is where jebus is going to land, hay this rock is a jew detector) and just do the insanely simple things they need to do, then maybe I'll give a rats ass....

+1 Gazillion!

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Reply #46 - June 16, 2010, 08:30 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on June 16, 2010, 12:15 PM
Remove Muhammad's Islam from the minds of Palestinians and the people who are surrounded this land

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I will solve Israel / Palestine problems in months if not weeks..

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Reply #47 - June 16, 2010, 08:42 PM

Quote from: QueenIsabel on June 16, 2010, 08:30 PM
Agree

Disagree and you're naive if you believe that. Zionism started the whole thing. Even if you remove Islam there will still be fundamentalist Jews who want to take the whole of West Bank and even go beyond the eastern bank of the Dead Sea.
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Reply #48 - June 16, 2010, 08:48 PM

Judaism is a lot more at fault than Islam actually. Palestinians only became religious fanatics during the 80s and 90s. Before that it was a secular nationalist cause. Israel on the other hand exists solely because Jew can't let go of their stupid fucking fairy tales.

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Reply #49 - June 16, 2010, 09:06 PM

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on June 16, 2010, 08:42 PM
Disagree and you're naive if you believe that. Zionism started the whole thing. Even if you remove Islam there will still be fundamentalist Jews who want to take the whole of West Bank and even go beyond the eastern bank of the Dead Sea.

Jews and Arabs have been fighting each other long before Israel became a state. The riots throughout the 1920's and 30's prove that. Most of the fighting is religiously motivated as well as politically. Lets not forget the Hitler's Mufti and the popularity of Mein Kamph in Palestine.
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Reply #50 - June 16, 2010, 09:12 PM

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on June 16, 2010, 08:42 PM
Disagree and you're naive if you believe that. Zionism started the whole thing. Even if you remove Islam there will still be fundamentalist Jews who want to take the whole of West Bank and even go beyond the eastern bank of the Dead Sea.

They're not many trust me. Most Israelis are quite secular and want to settle it with the Palestinians. The problem is that the fanatics wield a lot of power and influence.

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Reply #51 - June 16, 2010, 09:14 PM

Quote from: Iblis on June 16, 2010, 08:48 PM
Judaism is a lot more at fault than Islam actually. Palestinians only became religious fanatics during the 80s and 90s. Before that it was a secular nationalist cause. Israel on the other hand exists solely because Jew can't let go of their stupid fucking fairy tales.

Nah its more than a question of fairytales Iblis. In Europe people were sent to concentration camps even if they had Jewish ancestry and were not Jews themselves. That's what the problem was. Zionism is actually a secular movement. One of the founding fathers was an atheist. Ben Gurion himself flirted quite a lot with Buddhism.

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Reply #52 - June 16, 2010, 09:18 PM

Quote from: QueenIsabel on June 16, 2010, 09:06 PM
Jews and Arabs have been fighting each other long before Israel became a state. The riots throughout the 1920's and 30's prove that. Most of the fighting is religiously motivated as well as politically.

Most people here you are discussing the topic with know the history much better than you.

Yes, religion has always been an issue, but that doesn't mean if Islam goes away the problems between the Israelis and Palestinians go away. When the secular PLO was running the show it's not like the Israelis were like "Oh, okay, religious Muslims aren't in charge so we can work this out"-- in fact, long before the Oslo Accords, when Arafat was willing to negotiate a two-state deal (as early as the early 1970s), Israel not only refused to meet with his secret envoys, the Mossad assassinated them.

Oh, and you wanna take a stab at who your fellow Christians sided with during these rebellions against the British of which you speak? I'll give ya a hint, during the Arab Rebellion of 1936, flags with a cross & crescent a la hammer & sickle were quite popular.

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Lets not forget the Hitler's Mufti

Let's not forget Lehi's attempts to negotiate a deal with the Nazis for an alliance against the British:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29#Contact_with_Nazi_authorities

That's right, there were Zionists trying to ally themselves with Hitler's regime. You ain't gonna win a historical debate on this topic here, Queen Isabel.

Politics and war makes for strange bedfellows. Many leaders of the IRA sided with Germany during WWII-- does that make the Irish pro-Nazi anti-Semites?

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and the popularity of Mein Kamph in Palestine.

1. Since when? 2. You don't think you can find other bigoted, hateful books that are popular in Israel and the US? Like say...The Bible? Hell, Hitler didn't even explicitly call for genocide in Mein Kampf, whereas God and his chosen people actively participated in it in the Bible.

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Reply #53 - June 16, 2010, 09:23 PM

Quote from: ras111 on June 16, 2010, 09:14 PM
Nah its more than a question of fairytales Iblis. In Europe people were sent to concentration camps even if they had Jewish ancestry and were not Jews themselves. That's what the problem was. Zionism is actually a secular movement. One of the founding fathers was an atheist. Ben Gurion himself flirted quite a lot with Buddhism.

I know all that very well. It is an ethnic nationalist movement. But the identity of this ethnicity is rooted in scripture, not historical reality. I believe firmly in Israel's right to exist, but there is no doubt that it was the Jews that injected religious poison into this shit. Its Judaism that is the cause behind these settlers continuing to squat on the west bank and further perpetuating the issue. Palestinians were quite secular too, their religious fanaticism came much later than the original Judaic roots of Zionism.

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Reply #54 - June 16, 2010, 09:23 PM

Quote from: QueenIsabel on June 16, 2010, 09:06 PM
Jews and Arabs have been fighting each other long before Israel became a state. The riots throughout the 1920's and 30's prove that. Most of the fighting is religiously motivated as well as politically. Lets not forget the Hitler's Mufti and the popularity of Mein Kamph in Palestine.

Instead of that bollocks people ought to remember the in the 90s when Rabin was in charge, Israelis and Palestinians were getting along quite well. They visited each others weddings and not to blow each other up, they worked together, hung out together. A Palestinian friend of mine told me this. Then it all went bust.

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Reply #55 - June 16, 2010, 09:27 PM

Quote from: Iblis on June 16, 2010, 09:23 PM
I know all that very well. It is an ethnic nationalist movement. But the identity of this ethnicity is rooted in scripture, not historical reality. I believe firmly in Israel's right to exist, but there is no doubt that it was the Jews that injected religious poison into this shit. Its Judaism that is the cause behind these settlers continuing to squat on the west bank and further perpetuating the issue. Palestinians were quite secular too, their religious fanaticism came much later than the original Judaic roots of Zionism.

Yeah I know they're secular especially in the WB. Gaza is quite religious though, they almost have become two different countries. The roots may be in scripture but the Israeli people are now a reality, the have their own culture, music, everything There's more to it than just the settlements, but yeah I agree with you as regards the settlements, I want to see an end to them, or perhaps get the settlers to accept Palestinian citizenship and become Palestinians citizens, although I don't know how it would work out.

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Reply #56 - June 16, 2010, 09:30 PM

[quote author The problem is that the fanatics wield a lot of power and influence.
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Reply #57 - June 16, 2010, 09:31 PM

Quote from: BlackDog on June 16, 2010, 12:32 PM
Ha! Dear Yeezevee said REMOVE MUHAMMAD AND HIS ROBOTS from the Land of Judea..

Yes yes robots are bad maybe Allah ~~software should be wiped~~ or we can ~~pray~~ pay my boy Billie Gates to cause bluescreen

Or we can get my dear Friend Steve JObs to do job on Jewish brain virus or redesign

Look at this video of Steve Jobs masterwork

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBhYxj2SvRI

with best wishes
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Lolz, friggin doppelganger, i thought you were yeezevee for a minute!

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Reply #58 - June 16, 2010, 09:32 PM

I usually skip yeezevee posts cause they are formatted like like geocities homepages in the 90s, including marquees and flashy under construction links.

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Reply #59 - June 16, 2010, 09:33 PM

Quote from: ras111 on June 16, 2010, 09:14 PM
Nah its more than a question of fairytales Iblis. In Europe people were sent to concentration camps even if they had Jewish ancestry and were not Jews themselves. That's what the problem was. Zionism is actually a secular movement. One of the founding fathers was an atheist. Ben Gurion himself flirted quite a lot with Buddhism.

True. In fact a person does not have to be Jewish to be a Zionist. There are Christian Zionists and I have talked to atheists who are Zionists.
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