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 Topic: Peace, All

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1350 - June 24, 2010, 09:46 PM

    very nice @li

    Do you see this Mrasheed? this is called evidence.

    Everyone in this thread has backed up their claims with EVIDENCE...you have not cited your own holy book or even an islamic source or any source for that matter at any point in this thread.






    oh wait you quoted some quack who does studies on DMT Roll Eyes

    he doesnt need evidence, he has faith
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1351 - June 24, 2010, 09:50 PM

    When an eclipse happens does the world suddenly set their clocks to the PM setting?

    That's what humans do (edit: or don't do). Quran says that night cannot outstrip the day. Eclipses prove this wrong.

    How does 6 months of this followed by 6 months of that imply "outstripping?"

    So what would imply outsripping of night over day?

    I feel that sense the sun serves as nothing more than a marker of time for those events, the people should... using basic common sense... use whatever other reliable time piece their unusual circumstances called for.

    Don't be naive. The timings of the namaz are completely dependent on the timings of sun, fajar is before sunrise, maghrib just before sunset, isha after sunset, etc. Why did Allah not mention anything for people living on the north pole if islam is indeed a divine religion meant for everyone in the world?

    I believe the controversy involving the DNA strand (I knew I was forgetting something) demonstrates the highest evidence against The Theory of Evolution as understood to mean that everything on earth now evolved from lower, primitive versions of the same all the way back to simple cells in an ancient, fetid pool.


    Quite surprising since we have thousands of fossil evidence supporting Evolution, a controversy about a particular detail cannot just negate all of the overwhelming evidence supporting Evolution. In any case, I googled 'Dna strand controversy evolution' and didn't seem to get anything indicating such a controversy, so mind sending me a link?

    I do believe in a lesser, individual level of evolution, such as of consciousness.


    Explain?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1352 - June 24, 2010, 09:52 PM

    When I became Muslim I was told the quran was the uncorrupted word of God.


    It is.

    1. that the quran was revealed in big chunks at a time (i.e. baqarah was revealed all at once which is quite impressive). But no, I later found that the quran was for the most part revealed ayah by ayah and these ayaat were added to surahs in a seemingly random manner.


    I never assumed that.  We were taught since I was a kid that it was revealed in pieces of various lengths over a 20+ year period.

    2. As your average white guy...


    Why do you look like a light-skinned Semite?  "White guys" are Europeans.

    I assumed that the quran was revealed in the order that the book is read. But no, I later found out that the first ayahs to be revealed were at the back of the book and the ayahs that were revealed last were near the beginning (i.e surah maedah)... and the rest were just arranged randomly. go figure


    Why would you let your "assumptions" back you out of your faith?  Are "assumptions" facts?  That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

    3. Well at least it's uncorrupted i thought. Then I found out it was not even compiled into a book during Muhammad's lifetime.


    Why wouldn't it have been compiled during the prophet's lifetime since 1.) he had his own personal scribe  2.)  he had time at the end of his life to do so?

    And after it was compiled there were 7 different versions of the "uncorrupted word of god" floating around and uthman felt the need to collect all of these alternate versions and burn them.


    The "versions" weren't different Qur'ans, DigDug.  They were different in vernacular.  You remember how anal fretentive they were about how pure the nomadic Arabic was.  As the revelation spread people who spoke unpure Arabic were writing the Qur'anic verses down, and Uthman felt that the "ghetto Arabic" was insulting.  So he took steps to keep the original dialect as the official dialect of Qur'anic Arabic.

    4. there are hadiths which indicate that there are verses actually missing from the quran like the verses about stoning. Now stoning is a big deal and it is something that there should be no confusion about. But it's like "woops we lost those verses" but we saved the verse about not staying to long at Muhammad's house and annoying him. Just so mankind will know until the qiyamah that we are not to annoy Muhammad by overstaying our welcome at his house  Roll Eyes


    That's the nonsense the Shiites believe.  If I were you (all of you) I would throw all of that Shia sh*t out of the window.  It's just as bad as that "Jesus is the son of God" crap.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1353 - June 24, 2010, 09:56 PM

    What does blood have to do with spirit women in paradise?  Why would there be blood at all in a spirit realm?  Or even sex?

    It's spirit blood of course, Nin. Haven't you noticed how anaemic they look without it. And if there's no sex, then I'm definitely going to t'other place.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1354 - June 24, 2010, 09:56 PM


    Why wouldn't it have been compiled during the prophet's lifetime since 1.) he had his own personal scribe  2.)  he had time at the end of his life to do so?


    That's the nonsense the Shiites believe.  If I were you (all of you) I would throw all of that Shia sh*t out of the window.  It's just as bad as that "Jesus is the son of God" crap.


    You're:



    ROFL  dance

    Holla at my Shia deviants!

    Jokes aside, those sources are from the Sunni Hadiths. DigDug was a Sunni brother.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1355 - June 24, 2010, 09:58 PM

    It is.


    can you please fucking prove it?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1356 - June 24, 2010, 10:00 PM

    Ignore the trolls Rasheed!! They're all haters. Trying to sound all sophisticated and smart. That's why they're dragging this out for 53 pages. Dude, don't take the bait. I'm your new bestest friend.

    Don't spoil the fun or I'll stick another pin in your avatar and believe me you're running out of pinless non vital areas.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1357 - June 24, 2010, 10:00 PM

    Don't spoil the fun or I'll stick another pin in your avatar and believe me you're running out of pinless non vital areas.


    *gulp*

     lipsrsealed
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1358 - June 24, 2010, 10:03 PM

    HOLY SH*T!  You're only 14 years old!!

    No wonder you are so retarded!!

    Well, you only look 14 3/4 yourself.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1359 - June 24, 2010, 10:04 PM

    It is.


    k

    Quote
    I never assumed that.  We were taught since I was a kid that it was revealed in pieces of various lengths over a 20+ year period.


    I never said you did. It's funny how you weren't taught arabic though. nor how/when the quran was compiled either

    Quote
    Why do you look like a light-skinned Semite?  "White guys" are Europeans.


    facepalm. If you thought that pic was me no wonder youre a Muslim.

    Quote
    Why would you let your "assumptions" back you out of your faith?  Are "assumptions" facts?  That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.


    for someone who accused me of being ESL your reading comprehension is not very good. It was the FACTS I learned about Islam that caused me to leave it.

    I learned these facts by actually studying the religion I converted to. Not to mention learning arabic. What have you done in 21 years?

    I geuss the joe cubert school of drawing cartoons didn't teach you any of that.

    Quote
    Why wouldn't it have been compiled during the prophet's lifetime since 1.) he had his own personal scribe  2.)  he had time at the end of his life to do so?


    facepalm. why don't you just ask the scholars (sunni ones). You are a truly ignorant person.

    Quote
    The "versions" weren't different Qur'ans, DigDug.  They were different in vernacular.  You remember how anal fretentive they were about how pure the nomadic Arabic was.  As the revelation spread people who spoke unpure Arabic were writing the Qur'anic verses down, and Uthman felt that the "ghetto Arabic" was insulting.  So he took steps to keep the original dialect as the official dialect of Qur'anic Arabic.


    facepalm. read these two post carefully. hint. one is from your muslim brother debunker

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=10789.msg292880#msg292880


    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=10789.msg292971#msg292971


    Quote
    That's the nonsense the Shiites believe.  If I were you (all of you) I would throw all of that Shia sh*t out of the window.  It's just as bad as that "Jesus is the son of God" crap.


    facepalm. all you do is expose your ignorance of the religion you claim to follow. Do you even know what sahih bukhari is?

    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1360 - June 24, 2010, 10:06 PM

    I like the fact that this thread becomes interesting when the OP is not present ^_^


    "Interesting" in what way?

    Are these the same kind of topics that led directly to your atheism?  "Does God have hands???"

    That's a five year old's question.  If you can't understand the concept of metaphor then only five year old questions are "interesting."

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1361 - June 24, 2010, 10:06 PM

    I don't believe in Aladdin's Lamp.

    Does that help?

    I'll take that as gospel coming from you.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1362 - June 24, 2010, 10:11 PM

    Universe functions fine if their is no God.


    How would you possibly know that?

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1363 - June 24, 2010, 10:15 PM

    Well, you only look 14 3/4 yourself.


    really?


    i turn 40 this year.  Smiley

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1364 - June 24, 2010, 10:17 PM

    am i on mute again for POSTING EVIDENCE?

    do you still think that the quran was compiled in the lifetime of Muhammad or do I need to post that hadith (from sahih bukhari) anothr 10 times?

    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1365 - June 24, 2010, 10:18 PM

    im not sure if you seen my pic but im not someone to be fucked with. Ive read that you are interested in hand to hand combat but I train tapout. If you ever said that to my face I would put you in a siberian tiger clasp and render you a quadriplegic in less than 30 seconds.


    (Clicky for piccy!)

    u scurred?


     Cheesy

    Okay, maybe this 55 pages of bullshit was worth something after all.

    fuck you
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1366 - June 24, 2010, 10:19 PM

    Cheesy

    Okay, maybe this 55 pages of bullshit was worth something after all.


    he actually thought that was me and I was being serious.

    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1367 - June 24, 2010, 10:20 PM

    I know, that made it even funnier.

    fuck you
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1368 - June 24, 2010, 10:23 PM

    edit: this thread is epic fail...
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1369 - June 24, 2010, 10:24 PM

    really? (Clicky for piccy!)


    i turn 40 this year.  Smiley

    My, you have looked after yourself.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1370 - June 24, 2010, 10:30 PM

    Quote from: MRasheed
    When an eclipse happens does the world suddenly set their clocks to the PM setting?


    Quote from: @li
    That's what humans do. Quran says that the moon cannot catch up to the sun. Eclipses prove this wrong.


    You ACTUALLY set your clock to PM when there's a solar eclipse at 8:00am?

    I'm going to give you a chance to take that back and think about the question some more.

    Quote from: MRasheed
    How does 6 months of this followed by 6 months of that imply "outstripping?"


    Quote from: @li
    So what would imply outsripping of night over day?


    That the average earth revolution actually was reduced to only 12 hours instead of 24, because day and night are now occupied inside of the same time period.  THAT'S outstripping... the day and night actually caught up to each other.

    Quote from: MRasheed
    I feel that since the sun serves as nothing more than a marker of time for those events, the people should... using basic common sense... use whatever other reliable time piece their unusual circumstances called for.


    Quote from: @li
    Don't be naive. The timings of the namaz are completely dependent on the timings of sun, fajar is before sunrise, maghrib just before sunset, isha after sunset, etc. Why did Allah not mention anything for people living on the north pole if islam is indeed a divine religion meant for everyone in the world?


    The sun only functions as a marker of time to space the salats throughout the day with.  If you live in a part of the world where you cannot use the sun in that matter, use some other reliable method.  I'm SURE the people who live in those parts of the world understand their peculiar circumstances and can figure it out.  If you can survive in -500 degree weather you can friggin' figure out when to pray.  Sheesh...

    Quote from: MRasheed
    I believe the controversy involving the DNA strand (I knew I was forgetting something) demonstrates the highest evidence against The Theory of Evolution as understood to mean that everything on earth now evolved from lower, primitive versions of the same all the way back to simple cells in an ancient, fetid pool.


    Quote from: @li
    Quite surprising since we have thousands of fossil evidence supporting Evolution...


    There is also thousands of fossil evidence supporting completely different theories as well.  Check out Forbidden Archaeology by Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson to see what I mean.

    Quote from: @li
    a controversy about a particular detail cannot just negate all of the overwhelming evidence supporting Evolution.


    I didn't say it was the only evidence; I said "highest."

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1371 - June 24, 2010, 10:42 PM



  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1372 - June 24, 2010, 10:44 PM

    Quote from: @li
    In any case, I googled 'Dna strand controversy evolution' and didn't seem to get anything indicating such a controversy, so mind sending me a link?


    It's partially in the work of Dr. Francis Crick, one of the co-discoverers of the DNA strand (you'll like him; he's an athiest, too).

    According to the Theory of Evolution, all modern everything on earth evolved to their current, super-complex forms from progressively simpler and simpler forms going all the way back to the beginning of life on earth.  If you believe this to be a fundamental Truth, then it would be no surprise to you to know that the DNA strand... all of them, in every single animal and plant on earth... has the genetic code of every other animal and plant on earth.

    In other words, our DNA possesses the genetic material for feathers, scales, retractable claws, breathing underwater, echo location, etc.  Everything.  The DNA in an ant has within it the genetic material of all of that , too.  All the DNA on earth has all the traits necessary to rebuild an entire earth flora/fauna menagerie.  Since everything on earth evolved from the simplest, single-celled organism, according to the Theory of Evolution, this should not be a surprise.

    The problem is that the earliest found traces of earth DNA are the exact same.  And so is the DNA within an actual single-celled organism.  And so was the DNA found on the organisms that stowed away on the Martian meteorite several years ago and crashed here.

    The very first DNA on this planet, had all the genetic code for all the animals and plants that would EVER BE ON EARTH IN THE FUTURE!!!

    Let that sh*t sink in before you respond.   Smiley

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1373 - June 24, 2010, 10:44 PM


    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1374 - June 24, 2010, 10:45 PM

    My, you have looked after yourself.


    Islamic clean living!  Afro

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1375 - June 24, 2010, 10:47 PM


  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1376 - June 24, 2010, 10:47 PM

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1377 - June 24, 2010, 10:52 PM

    "Very Hot Topic"

    They need to make a new one that's really flashy or something. 

    Just for me.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1378 - June 24, 2010, 10:53 PM

    It's partially in the work of Dr. Francis Crick, on eof the co-discoverers of the DNA strand (you'll like him; he's an athiest, too).

    According to the Theory of Evolution, all modern everything on earth evolved to their current, super-complex forms from progressively simpler and simpler forms going all the way back to the beginning of life on earth.  If you believe this to be a fundamental Truth, then it would be no surprise to you to know that the DNA strand... all of them, in every single animal and plant on earth... has the genetic code of every other animal and plant on earth.

    In other words, our DNA possesses the genetic material for feathers, scales, retractable claws, breathing underwater, echo location, etc.  Everything.  The DNA in an ant has within it the genetic material of all of that , too.  All the DNA on earth has all the traits necessary to rebuild an entire earth flora/fauna menagerie.  Since everything on earth evolved from the simplest, single-celled organism, according to the Theory of Evolution, this should not be a surprise.

    The problem is that the earliest found traces of earth DNA are the exact same.  And so is the DNA within an actual single-celled organism.  And so was the DNA found on the organisms that stowed away on the Martian meteorite several years ago and crashed here.

    The very first DNA on this planet, had all the genetic code for all the animals and plants that would EVER BE ON EARTH IN THE FUTURE!!!



    I don't mean to spoil a good party but isn't this exactly like saying that every single word is contained within a string of the 26 letters of the alphabet?

    For example, the english language has had its modern alphabet for centuries and yet words like "computer" were only used in a literal, technical sense since the 20th century. Does that make the english alphabet spookily prophetic?

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1379 - June 24, 2010, 10:53 PM

    Anyways nice going Mr Rasheed.

    This thread has reached 6th position in the Top Ten table of Forum Stats by replies (http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?action=stats)

    Its got 1300 replies!!!!!!!!!!

    Its doubles the size of Sparky's infamous Bible-bashing thread:nun: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4153.0


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