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 Topic: Peace, All

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1440 - June 25, 2010, 03:15 PM

    Follow the voice's instructions no matter how hurtful, harmful, illogical, or damaging they might be...


    "Avoid evil and do good on earth" is hurtful and damaging?

    " What kind of sick *** gets off on torturing people in the first place for being thrust down on earth without a choice.   I wouldn't mind all the death and torture elements or even the heaven and peace elements of religion IF we had been given a choice in entering the game in the first place.


    How do you know you didn't get a choice?  How do you know that the part of you that is immortal (your soul/spirit man) didn't agree to it in paradise and knew that your earthly form couldn't know because of the rules of the Game?

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1441 - June 25, 2010, 03:17 PM

    Quote
    How do you know you didn't get a choice?  How do you know that the part of you that is immortal (your soul/spirit man) didn't agree to it in paradise and knew that your earthly form couldn't know because of the rules of the Game?

    I used to believe that but it sounds like a pretty diabolical 'game'.

    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1442 - June 25, 2010, 03:21 PM

    Quote from: DigDug
    facepalm. all you do is expose your ignorance of the religion you claim to follow. Do you even know what sahih bukhari is?


    Do I accept the scholars as what?

    You mean do I believe they existed?  What are you asking me?

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1443 - June 25, 2010, 03:27 PM

    When I was a Muslim, Sahih Bukhari was accepted as something on the level of Qur'an. Not quite but maybe a hair's breath less authentic. It was pretty much compulsory to believe every hadith - both beautiful and hideous - in this tome. Sahih Muslim was next in the hierarchy. Is that not the case where you are?

    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1444 - June 25, 2010, 03:28 PM



    What did Allah say about how you are to deal with those situations?

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1445 - June 25, 2010, 03:32 PM

    Quote from: MRasheed
    How do you know you didn't get a choice?  How do you know that the part of you that is immortal (your soul/spirit man) didn't agree to it in paradise and knew that your earthly form couldn't know because of the rules of the Game?


    I used to believe that but it sounds like a pretty diabolical 'game'.


    Maybe.  But how do you know that your true self didn't willing agree to it?

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1446 - June 25, 2010, 03:39 PM

    When I was a Muslim, Sahih Bukhari was accepted as something on the level of Qur'an. Not quite but maybe a hair's breath less authentic. It was pretty much compulsory to believe every hadith - both beautiful and hideous - in this tome. Sahih Muslim was next in the hierarchy. Is that not the case where you are?


    abdalwali everything about this post is blasphemous.

    Tell me this:  You are, of course aware of those hadith where the prophet is telling the companions to obey him totally when he is commanding something God said, but that it's okay to correct him when he says something based on his own opinion on worldly matters.  With this being the case, where the prophet himself says that his worldly opinion isn't on the same level as the Qur'an, why would anyone assume that the opinions of men from 200 years later would be on the same level as the Qur'an?

    The Qur'an is the Truth that ALL OTHER works are to be held up against.  We determine what is true by what the Qur'an says; we rule on other matters based on the best meaning of the Qur'an's overall message for mankind:  The best of you are the most pious of you.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1447 - June 25, 2010, 03:41 PM

    by the way MRasheed, did you study illustration? If so, what school?


    I studied illustration at the College of Creative Studies.  I learned the cartooning arts at The Joe Kubert School of Cartoon & Graphic Art, Inc.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1448 - June 25, 2010, 03:44 PM

    Are you serious?

    That's not debate, that's called playing games.

    No, the only person playing games is you.  If I went onto a muslim forum for debate, I wouldnt just pick & choose which questions I was prepared to answer.  If you cant answer the difficult questions, you should reconsider whether you religion is just making a mockery out of you, just like you think other tribal superstitions are making a mockery out of their followers.

    You are no different to them.

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1449 - June 25, 2010, 03:48 PM

    And I thought like this too and withdrew from the community. People are judgemental. They tell you "Never follow Shia" or if you question hadith they accuse you of having defective aqeedah. So first I withdrew from the community. I even decided there was a precedent for that in Fatima (alaihi salaam) withdrawing from the community and getting her husband to do so too.

    But slowly my faith started to dissipate. Every so often I would go to the mosque but the sermon was never edifying. I have heard good sermons, beautiful sermons. But that depends on the khatib and my favourite khatib moved mosques.

    When I withdrew I saw things not from the vantage of brotherhood and community, but from my lone perspective. And the more I thought about it, the more dissatisfied I became. I groped around trying Sufi, Shia, my own freelance mish-mash but in the end I decided that as much as I loved Islam, as much as I could see the beauty in it, why was it mixed with this ugliness? Why the misogyny? Why the sexism? Why sex with slavegirls, why beating your wife? Why the man with the degree above the woman? It went against everything I truly believed, and everything that my kafir parents had ever taught me.

    But I wish you all the very best and hope you are happy and only become happier still.

    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1450 - June 25, 2010, 03:49 PM

    You are insane.

    Seriously.


    It hasn't been a nice conversation with DigDug since I showed up.

    He's the anti-Christ or something.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JBv-HzUImc

    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1451 - June 25, 2010, 03:59 PM

    I guess I wasn't clear, so I'll elaborate. Whether humans set their clocks to PM or not is a human action. Its not related to what quran says, which is that night cannot outstrip the day. Eclipse proves this verse to be wrong, since in solar eclipses night does outstrip the day. What's your explanation for that?


    My point is what makes you think the eclipse represents the night catching up to the day?  Since when does 'the moon' mean the same thing as 'the night?'

    So are you saying that if the moon isn't in the sky at 11pm, it isn't really night?

    The definition of night is: "the time after sunset and before sunrise while it is dark outside". Therefore, night DOES outstrip the day on the north pole, where there is continous 6 months' day and night.


    In the north pole, the definition of night is the exact same as you said; the only difference is that "the time after sunset and before sunrise while it is dark outside" is longer than in other places of the world.

    That's all.  But they still have "night and day."  It's just different.  Weird even.  But their version of night still stays in its appointed place just as their day stays in it's appointed place.  It is still 6 months of day and 6 months of night with no variation or random confusion.  The North Pole's cycle is the same as it has always been when Allah first set it that way.

    #1: If they have to figure out themselves when they should pray, then it will be humans creating their own version of Islam, it wouldn't be from god.

    #2: The main point that I'm asking you about is, why did god not give specific instructions to the eskimos living on north pole about when to pray, when he gives them for everyone else? Trivial things such as not entering Mo's house without permission are included in the quran, but instructions to the Eskimos for when to pray isn't? Why?


    Okay, I see your point.  In that case, remember when Allah said that ALL peoples of earth throughout human history received a messenger?  So I'm sure the poor confused eskimos received right guidance in how to best follow their religion.

    The difference is that the evidence for Evolution is backed up by 1000s of qualified scientists, who almost all hold PhDs in Biology (PhDs in something like computer science isn't related to Evolution, which is a biology topic).  Whereas 'Michael Cremo's only qualification is that he is an 'American Hindu creationist' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Cremo). The 'opinion' of an unqaulified documentary maker does not qualify as 'evidence'.


    You realize that "qualified" still represents the opinions of men, right?  "Qualified" men  have said all kinds of things over the centuries have almost always been proved wrong at some point.  Official qualified certifications and degrees represent 'job security' and a certain amount of study.  It doesn't mean "infallible mental faculity" or a monopoly on truth.  Hypotheses and theories are no more than opinions formed based around what a person thinks a group of facts represent.  That is all.  Only Allah is the author of absolute Truth. 

    #
    You still haven't given me any details about this supposed controversy, or any links. Mind sharing them?


    Believe me, I would love to.  But I have to ask you all to be patient with me.  I loaned out certain books that have my references and I am currently waiting for a couple of friends to return them.  One of them is out of state. 

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1452 - June 25, 2010, 04:02 PM

    Quote from: Islame
    When you take your blinkers off and are ready for debate, and to continue to answer questions as many times as they are posed...


    Quote from: MRasheed
    Are you serious?  That's not debate, that's called playing games.


    No, the only person playing games is you.  If I went onto a muslim forum for debate, I wouldnt just pick & choose which questions I was prepared to answer.  If you cant answer the difficult questions, you should reconsider whether you religion is just making a mockery out of you, just like you think other tribal superstitions are making a mockery out of their followers.

    You are no different to them.


    So you honestly think that asking the same question over and over again, even though it was already answered, is serious debate and not game playing?

    Are you 14 years old too?

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1453 - June 25, 2010, 04:04 PM

    Quote
    Okay, I see your point.  In that case, remember when Allah said that ALL peoples of earth throughout human history received a messenger?  So I'm sure the poor confused eskimos received right guidance in how to best follow their religion.

    No, the Quran is universal and should be enough to guide them.  You should know that.

    Even if that is true, what about the eskimos who are born today who cant be "blamed" for the "faults" of their ancestors.  If they follow the scriptures as they are today, are they to fast from dawn to dusk, which lasts 6 months?  

    No wonder there are no Muslims left in the Poles, they all starved to death Cheesy

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1454 - June 25, 2010, 04:06 PM

    So you honestly think that asking the same question over and over again, even though it was already answered, is serious debate and not game playing?

    Are you 14 years old too?

    No, you offerred an explanation, I challenged it.  Then you refused to answer my challenge.  

    Thats not debate, thats one man stood on his soapbox (fyi its called preaching clocked up as debate).

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1455 - June 25, 2010, 04:08 PM

    This thread has become almost as comical as MRasheed's cartoons.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1456 - June 25, 2010, 04:09 PM

    Almost ? Cheesy

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1457 - June 25, 2010, 04:11 PM

    I find it funny that you are able to respond to this post but seem to ignore the fact that you have been bodybagged in terms of your ignorant statements about Islam.


    No offense, but I think many of you all's understandings and statements about Islam are the typical extremely ignorant and, quite frankly, stupid opinions that are directly responsible for 1.) the many different sects and 2.) why Islam no longer leads the world like in the Golden Age.

    I'm REALLY having problems understanding why you all think the way you do about the Scholarly Elite class and your quasi-deification of these people. 

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1458 - June 25, 2010, 04:12 PM




    MAKE ME! Tongue

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1459 - June 25, 2010, 04:15 PM

    Can someone whom MRasheed does not have on ignore please tell him I'd like his input in this thread? http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8457.0

    Thanks

    fuck you
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1460 - June 25, 2010, 04:18 PM

    Quote from: MRasheed
    In that case, remember when Allah said that ALL peoples of earth throughout human history received a messenger?  So I'm sure the poor confused eskimos received right guidance in how to best follow their religion.


    No, the Quran is universal and should be enough to guide them.  You should know that.


    "No?"  So are you saying that Allah DIDN'T say that?

    Even if that is true...


    "Even IF--???"  wth?

    ...what about the eskimos who are born today who cant be "blamed" for the "faults" of their ancestors. 


    I've seen eskimos wearing Michael Jackson t-shirts under their outfits on documentary programs.  I'm positive they had the opportunity to get their hands on the Qur'an, IsLame.

    If they follow the scriptures as they are today, are they to fast from dawn to dusk, which lasts 6 months? 


    As I said, that's where the common sense part comes in.  If they can't use the sun as a prayer time piece like we do, then they will have to use their God-given intellect to improvise using the time pieces they DO use.

    What's so hard about that?

    You know what I think happened?  For some retarded reason, you all got so used to deifying your precious "scholars" and NOT using your own minds to understand your deen, that when you inevitably discovered that the scholars weren't infallible, you apostated.

    That's stupid.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1461 - June 25, 2010, 04:19 PM

    This thread has become almost as comical as MRasheed's cartoons.


    This pic pretty much sums up how the thread has gone...


    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1462 - June 25, 2010, 04:20 PM

    Then you refused to answer my challenge. 


    *sighhhhh....*

    Ask it again and I'll answer it.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1463 - June 25, 2010, 04:21 PM

    Can someone whom MRasheed does not have on ignore please tell him I'd like his input in this thread? http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8457.0

    Thanks

    MR - message in a bottle from The Q-Meister

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1464 - June 25, 2010, 04:22 PM

    No offense, but I think many of you all's understandings and statements about Islam are the typical extremely ignorant and, quite frankly, stupid opinions that are directly responsible for 1.) the many different sects and 2.) why Islam no longer leads the world like in the Golden Age.

    I'm REALLY having problems understanding why you all think the way you do about the Scholarly Elite class and your quasi-deification of these people.  


    lol the thing you don't seem to understand is....


    you need those scholars to translate the quran for you because you dont even know how to read your own holy scripture but yet you think yourself more learned than them

    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1465 - June 25, 2010, 04:25 PM

    Holy shit, this thread's still goin'?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1466 - June 25, 2010, 04:27 PM

    I've seen eskimos wearing Michael Jackson t-shirts under their outfits on documentary programs.  I'm positive they had the opportunity to get their hands on the Qur'an, IsLame.

    Le sigh....

    Your comprehension is poor.  You read a question in a way that you can answer it easily, which is obviously not what the writer intended.  Its not counted as a reply in my book, more like a process of subversion.  Very intellectually dishonest.

    I already said that they can get access to the Quran, I was countering your point about whether they had a separate message.

    Quote
    As I said, that's where the common sense part comes in.  If they can't use the sun as a prayer time piece like we do, then they will have to use their God-given intellect to improvise using the time pieces they DO use.

    What's so hard about that?

    Nothing , apart from the fact that it blows in the face of those who claim its a message for all people & all time.  As long as you no longer believe that, then thats fine

    Quote
    You know what I think happened?  For some retarded reason, you all got so used to deifying your precious "scholars" and NOT using your own minds to understand your deen, that when you inevitably discovered that the scholars weren't infallible, you apostated.

    That's stupid.

    I dont deify scholars, its just that 90% muslims consider sahih hadith as authentic. You want to be a heretic, thats fine by me.  Just dont go out in Saudi Arabia claiming that Bukhari is flawed, or you'll get your nuts chopped off by your own brothers  

    P.S I am my own scholar grin12

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1467 - June 25, 2010, 04:31 PM

    Ze

    Cheesy  i felt that way about 20 pages ago.  I cant even find my own posts, let alone anything else.
    All ive gotten out of this entire thread is mrasheed thinks im NIT PICKING!!!   mysmilie_977

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1468 - June 25, 2010, 04:31 PM

    *sighhhhh....*

    Ask it again and I'll answer it.

    OK Allah, here it is..
    Fine - but do you accept the version of the Quran you are reading today was written by man after the prophets death?

    Its a yes or no question really.

    Please note also that the bit about having the Alahs protection actually comes from the book that was written by man after the prophets death, unless you have something that ties the two of them together.

    So it turns out the faith you have is actually founded upon a man (not prophet Muhammed) that lived 1400 years ago.


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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1469 - June 25, 2010, 04:32 PM

    Quote from: DigDug
    you need those scholars to translate the quran for you because you dont even know how to read your own holy scripture but yet you think yourself more learned than them


    You're confused.  Let me help you:

    1.)  Allah gave the Qur'an to us all.  Each of us is responsible for his own salvation.  It is important that we each of us understand it for ourselves because in the end, we can only have ourselves to blame if we mess up.
    2.)  Of course there will be some issues you need a better understanding about.  The way to deal with that is to see what opinion your fellow Muslim brother/sister (this includes the "scholars") came up with when studying the same issue.  Their opinion may help you get a better understanding from them looking at it from their point-of-view.  If that person's understanding doesn't help you to "get it" then try someone else.  Keep doing it until you get the understanding that you need in order to live your life the best way possible.
    3.)  Don't treat ANYONE'S opinion as if that person is God's gift to earth.  Everyone else studying, or who has studied, the Book is just as human as you are.
    4.)  I don't think I am more learned than anyone else studying the Qur'an, but my opion is equally as valid because I'm the one that needs to understand it for me.

    DigDug I'll admit you are actually lighting a fire under my @ss to finally make me finish learning Arabic.  You may take a bow.  You've earned it.

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