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 Topic: Peace, All

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1560 - June 25, 2010, 09:41 PM

    before you said "you didnt know what he was" (i can find the post if you wish).


    I don't know whether he was black or white.  That has nothing to do with his Arab ethnicity.  Arabs can be black or light-skinned.

    There are many hadiths that show Muhammad was light skinned (i can bring them if you want).


    I'll pass.

    Let me ask you...

    Do these hadiths contradict the quran?


    Yes.  Allah says that the ONLY thing that He cares about is how righteous we are; are ethnicity and national origin, family tribes, etc. are worthless for getting into heaven or not.  So what purpose does a long list of hadith describing what the prophet looked like serve if not to sow descension?

    ...if these hadiths are false what reason would people have to lie about the skin tone of Muhammad?


    The same reason that other racist bigots would have for insisting that Jesus was blond-haired, blue-eyed.  So they can falsely attempt to make their own sub-group artificially more important.


  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1561 - June 25, 2010, 09:42 PM

    Shias dont worship Ali don't be silly.


    You know what the f*ck I mean.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1562 - June 25, 2010, 09:45 PM

    A serious question MRasheed.

    Which character do you like the most:

    The Blonde, The Nerd, The Quarterback or The Fatso?


    It depends on the mission.  Each of them has different strengths/weakness for a particular function.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1563 - June 25, 2010, 09:49 PM

    A serious question MRasheed.

    Which character do you like the most:

    The Blonde, The Nerd, The Quarterback or The Fatso?



    this may sound like a stupid question, but did you draw that, kenan?

    I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be a star
    In somebody else's sky, but why, why, why
    Can't it be, can't it be mine

    https://twitter.com/AlharbiMoe
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1564 - June 25, 2010, 09:51 PM

    Not this you don't

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Good luck having that served in Heaven  dance


    tits or gtfo...

    Resentment?  Maybe.

    I did recently finish David Duke's autobiography and am still a little steamed by it.  

    The prophet was an Arab.  

    My point is that not all Arabs are light-skinned.

    you mean brown? lol

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1565 - June 25, 2010, 09:52 PM



    Muhammad.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1566 - June 25, 2010, 09:55 PM

    You know what the f*ck I mean.


    No I don't actually. Shia Muslims worship Allah. Enough of that sectarian bullshit.

    If you want to continue with this line of reasoning you need to prove it.

    Secondly, you say you are Sunni? On what basis? What madhab do you follow? You reject hadiths as you see fit. And you say you don't listen to scholars; who by the way are experts in the religion. But you don't know as much as they do, and yet follow the same religion?

    The point I'm trying to make is that you haven't substantiated with any kind of evidence. For any of your assertions. If this was debate in University, how would your teacher and fellow-students treat you? None of this would fly home. You can't just say something is true because it is.

    And yet you have thrown the are you 12, are you 5 insult around more than anybody else here.



    Btw I hope you don' mind my avatar.
    <<<<<<
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1567 - June 25, 2010, 09:56 PM

    Btw I hope you don' mind my avatar.
    <<<<<<


    no tits?  Cry
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1568 - June 25, 2010, 09:59 PM

    Btw I hope you don' mind my avatar.
    <<<<<<

    To me, it somehow looks like tanned space aliens making out instead of guys...freaky

    I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be a star
    In somebody else's sky, but why, why, why
    Can't it be, can't it be mine

    https://twitter.com/AlharbiMoe
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1569 - June 25, 2010, 10:04 PM

    no tits?  Cry


     Cheesy
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1570 - June 25, 2010, 10:05 PM

    To me, it somehow looks like tanned space aliens making out instead of guys...freaky


     Cheesy

    These are the little boys that serve food in heaven. For those who want of course.

    MRasheed what's your opinion? I know these guys aren't like scattered white pearls, but black pearls should work as well? I mean since Arabs could be black it shouldn't matter.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1571 - June 25, 2010, 10:19 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx07A9LWBJA
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1572 - June 25, 2010, 10:26 PM

    o mi gaaad mrasheed just did this again...


    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1573 - June 25, 2010, 11:09 PM

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Sweet!  Now what do I win?

    You have to become Muslim again, right?


    Sure.

    Just after I spend the next week on a drug and alcohol-fuelled bender and engage in the most dissolute and licentious acts with various women... and men Afro

    Then it's off to the local masjid for some serious taubah.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1574 - June 25, 2010, 11:12 PM

    @ DD

    this is an anti-Islam site, so its expected to be offensive to Muslims.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1575 - June 25, 2010, 11:16 PM

    if anyone is up for discussing ISLAM i would be more than glad to but I don't see much of that going on (its actually what i came here for).


    I think most of the people here are sick to the back teeth of Islam. I, on the other hand, and still perfectly interested in talking about it.

    Most ex-muslims here are tired of discussing Islam... they're more into politics.


    I've been wanting to discuss why stoning isn't in the Qur'an yet it claims to confirm the Torah (which does prescribe the punishment) and the hadith accounts show that Muhammad accepted the injunction of the Torah and that he himself ordered that the punishment be carried out against adulterers.

    A question for ya: Do you think that Muhammad didn't believe in stoning adulterers and that these ahadith are BS?

    And I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just genuinely curious about this.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1576 - June 25, 2010, 11:19 PM

    Sure.

    Just after I spend the next week on a drug and alcohol-fuelled bender and engage in the most dissolute and licentious acts with various women... and men Afro

    Then it's off to the local masjid for some serious taubah.


    Grin
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1577 - June 25, 2010, 11:27 PM

    My point is what makes you think the eclipse represents the night catching up to the day?  Since when does 'the moon' mean the same thing as 'the night?'

    So are you saying that if the moon isn't in the sky at 11pm, it isn't really night?

    It is still night, however that is a lunar eclipse. In Solar eclipses, it can be 1 PM in the day and suddenly it will go dark. That is night outstripping the day.

    In the north pole, the definition of night is the exact same as you said; the only difference is that "the time after sunset and before sunrise while it is dark outside" is longer than in other places of the world.

    So what you're saying is that for the people on the north pole, the night lasts 6 months and the day last 6 months as well. In that case, since you're required to say 5 prayers a day according to Islam, the muslim who moves to north pole will only have to say 5 prayers per 6 months. Are you cool with that?

    Okay, I see your point.  In that case, remember when Allah said that ALL peoples of earth throughout human history received a messenger?  So I'm sure the poor confused eskimos received right guidance in how to best follow their religion.

    But Islam is meant to be the last religion for all mankind, and quran is supposed to be the last guidance which overwrites any previous guidances sent including bible, torah, etc. So why did the book meant for all mankind not have any instructions for people on the north pole?

    You realize that "qualified" still represents the opinions of men, right?  "Qualified" men  have said all kinds of things over the centuries have almost always been proved wrong at some point.  Official qualified certifications and degrees represent 'job security' and a certain amount of study.  It doesn't mean "infallible mental faculity" or a monopoly on truth.  Hypotheses and theories are no more than opinions formed based around what a person thinks a group of facts represent.  That is all.  Only Allah is the author of absolute Truth. 

    If you don't think qualifications matter when disregarding a scientific topic accepted by hundreds of thousands of scientists, would you be willing to get a brain surgery by someone who is unqualified in brain surgery?

    Someone who is not qualified in biology can still make a new discovery in Evolution or any scientific topic, but he will need to show his discovery to the actual experts and get them to back his discovery up before it will hold any merit.

    If someone who doesn't have any qualifications goes and says 'I have disproved evolution' or 'I have disproved theory of relativity', and none of the mainstream scientists pay him any attention whatsoever, given that someone who does disprove evolution would receive at least the noble prize, it virtually guarantees that the other person doesn't know what he's talking about?

    P.S I posted some verses of the quran which say that homosexuality is not done by animals. Have you responded to them and have I missed it? Or did you just ignore them?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1578 - June 25, 2010, 11:29 PM

    Quote
    I've been wanting to discuss why stoning isn't in the Qur'an yet it claims to confirm the Torah (which does prescribe the punishment) and the hadith accounts show that Muhammad accepted the injunction of the Torah and that he himself ordered that the punishment be carried out against adulterers.

    A question for ya: Do you think that Muhammad didn't believe in stoning adulterers and that these ahadith are BS?

    And I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just genuinely curious about this.


    At first I was brainwashed into believing that stoning was prescribed for adulterers in the Quran, but someone at FFI (an-ex Muslim, actually) alerted me that the *punishment* for adulteres in the Quran was flogging (not stoning).

    Of course, since I take the Quran to be the ultimate source for religious truth, I reject all the Hadiths that prescribe stoning for adultery (I would guess that came later, possibly Muslim Sultans infused these Hadiths as part of the Islamic tradition-- they had big Harems, you know).

    In any case, The Quran does charge Torah with corruption PLUS, it contradicts the vast majority of the Biblical stories...

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1579 - June 25, 2010, 11:37 PM

    At first I was brainwashed into believing that stoning was prescribed for adulterers in the Quran, but someone at FFI (an-ex Muslim, actually) alerted me that the *punishment* for adulteres in the Quran was flogging (not stoning).

    Of course, since I take the Quran to be the ultimate source for religious truth, I reject all the Hadiths that prescribe stoning for adultery (I would guess that came later, possible Muslim Sultans infused these Hadiths as part of the Islamic tradition).

    In any case, The Quran does charge Torah with corruption PLUS, it contradicts the vast majority of the Biblical stories...


    Thanks for that.

    It's very interesting that stoning has become the prescribed punishment, even though the Qur'an says otherwise. There's one for the 'ulema.'

    But then again, if these ahadith are genuine, and Muhammad did have people stoned, it's very odd indeed that such an injunction isn't in the Qur'an.

    I know that Muhammad's Sunnah is considered a kind of revelation, but because both the Qur'an and Torah are from the same 'Book,' one would certainly expect the punishment of stoning to be in both.

    I don't know how an orthodox Muslim would answer this.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1580 - June 25, 2010, 11:39 PM

    It's a missing verse, digested in the stomach of Aisha's pet-goat Lucy.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1581 - June 25, 2010, 11:42 PM

    It's a missing verse, digested in the stomach of Aisha's pet-goat Lucy.


    That is not true, btw, BD. You can show us the Hadith and we will discuss it.

    In any case, the Quran was entirely memorized by the Sahaba (and that Hadith you referred to, didn't say anything about the verse of stoning.)

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1582 - June 25, 2010, 11:44 PM

    That is not true, btw, BD. You can show us the Hadith and we will discuss it.

    In any case, the Quran was entirely memorized by the Sahaba (and that Hadith you referred to, didn't say anything about the verse of stoning.)


    Oh ok thanks. I will look it up.

    But there are missing verses hadiths. What are your thoughts on them?

    And are you sure all the sahaba memorized all of the Quran? Many died that had memorized large parts. Not saying all of the didn't remember, just wondering how are you so sure?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1583 - June 25, 2010, 11:46 PM

    That is not true, btw, BD. You can show us the Hadith and we will discuss it.

    In any case, the Quran was entirely memorized by the Sahaba (and that Hadith you referred to, didn't say anything about the verse of stoning.)


    What was the deal with the two last verses of surat al-Taubah?

    There was only one guy who knew them or something like that. And, in some version of the Qur'an or another, they've been omitted.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1584 - June 25, 2010, 11:48 PM

    Thanks for that.

    It's very interesting that stoning has become the prescribed punishment, even though the Qur'an says otherwise. There's one for the 'ulema.'

    But then again, if these ahadith are genuine, and Muhammad did have people stoned, it's very odd indeed that such an injunction isn't in the Qur'an.

    I know that Muhammad's Sunnah is considered a kind of revelation, but because both the Qur'an and Torah are from the same 'Book,' one would certainly expect the punishment of stoning to be in both.

    I don't know how an orthodox Muslim would answer this.


    what? But Quran doesn't prescribe stoning disobedient kids either, nor does it prescribe killing those who are disrepectful towards the Mullahs, etc, etc, etc.

    As for the stoning verse, a Hadith in Bukhari reported that Umar said there was a verse in the Quran prescribing stoning for adulters but it was removed by *Naskh* while its ruling was still valid!

    The laughable joke is: why would God remove the stoning verse and keep the verses prescribing flogging? The great scholars have two very funny justifications for this:

    1- To test us.
    2- To show that we are better than the Joooos.

    The scholars go to such great lengths to defend Hadith contradicting the Quran.

    EDITED for correcting typos.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1585 - June 25, 2010, 11:49 PM

    Oh ok thanks. I will look it up.

    But there are missing verses hadiths. What are your thoughts on them?

    And are you sure all the sahaba memorized all of the Quran? Many died that had memorized large parts. Not saying all of the didn't remember, just wondering how are you so sure?


    ALL of the Quran is *Mutawatir*.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1586 - June 25, 2010, 11:49 PM

    You are honestly the only Muslim I have ever heard of that believes the Quran we have today was compiled during the prophets lifetime.  Go and do some research, or at least ask the other muslim members here.

    Why dont you start a new religion?  Call it Rasheedul Islam or something?

    Islame is absolutely right. EVERY Muslim I know KNOWS that quran was compiled after Mo's death. This is basic islam taught to everyone. Go to ummah.com and ask them if you don't believe us mate.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1587 - June 25, 2010, 11:50 PM

    What was the deal with the two last verses of surat al-Taubah?

    There was only one guy who knew them or something like that. And, in some version of the Qur'an or another, they've been omitted.


    I think you'e confusing two or more stories.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1588 - June 25, 2010, 11:50 PM

    A narration  attributed to Ubada b. as-Samit reports:
    “    whenever Allah's Apostle received revelation, he felt its rigour and the complexion of his face changed. One day revelation descended upon him, he felt the same rigour. When it was over and he felt relief, he said: Take from me. Verily Allah has ordained a way for them (the women who commit fornication),: (When) a married man (commits adultery) with a married woman, and an unmarried male with an unmarried woman, then in case of married (persons) there is (a punishment) of one hundred lashes and then stoning (to death). And in case of unmarried persons, (the punishment) is one hundred lashes and exile for one year.[4]    ”

    A narration attributed to Abu Ishaq Shaibani reports:
    “    I asked 'Abdullah b. Abu Aufi if Allah's Messenger awarded (the punishment) of stoning (to death). He said: Yes. I said: After Sura al-Nur was revealed or before that? He said: I do not know.[5]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajm


    Your thoughts DB?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1589 - June 25, 2010, 11:54 PM

    @ ali

    FYI,

    Other than the fact that ALL of the Quran is Mutawatir (while only a small portion of Hadith is Mutawatir), Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman (and I guess Ali too) forbade the Sahaba from writing Hadiths based upon an order from the prophet to not write down Hadith (I'll look up the Hadith for you).

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
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