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 Topic: Peace, All

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #780 - June 22, 2010, 07:13 PM
    Quote from: kero-zen on June 22, 2010, 07:11 PM
    eternaly?? and WHY???


    *groan--!*  dude...

    read some of those past pages, please.

    c'mon.

    Quote from: kero-zen on June 22, 2010, 07:11 PM
    is it better to be a good person who disbelieve in god or an evil person who believes in god??


    lol It is clearly better to be a good person who believes in God.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #781 - June 22, 2010, 07:15 PM
    loool
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8oHq2Nj-hk&NR=1
    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. "
    "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world. "
    --Buddha
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #782 - June 22, 2010, 07:15 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on June 22, 2010, 07:09 PM
    Nope. It's, as Oz said, curiosity, and of course tenacity and stamina.


    Tenacity and stamina are good tools to use with your Faith.  I guess it's too late for you all though, right?

    tsk.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #783 - June 22, 2010, 07:17 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 22, 2010, 06:51 PM
    It is when it comes to the Unseen.

    Thinking and feeling in the absence of hard evidence are subjective. If anything is unseen it is by definition unknowable. We use objective means to make it knowable by revealing the evidence and we usually do this by employing some technological extension of one or more of our senses, like a telescope say, coupled with a tool like mathematics.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #784 - June 22, 2010, 07:18 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 22, 2010, 07:13 PM
    lol It is clearly better to be a good person who believes in God.

    man! it was not one of the options!!!
    please choose only one or the other.
    IN YOUR OWN POINT OF VIEW is it better to:
    1) be a good person who don't believes in god
    2)be an evil person who does believes in god
    just choose 1 or 2
    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. "
    "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world. "
    --Buddha
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #785 - June 22, 2010, 07:19 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 22, 2010, 07:15 PM
    Tenacity and stamina are good tools to use with your Faith.  I guess it's too late for you all though, right?

    tsk.

     About 50 years too late but I did use them to rid myself of the falsities of faith.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #786 - June 22, 2010, 07:21 PM
    Mrasheed are you going to respond to my post?

    especially the point about how Muslims aquired their slaves?

    Quote from: IsLame on June 22, 2010, 07:13 PM
    Cheesy Where's this vid from?


    haha its from the movie "CB4"
    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #787 - June 22, 2010, 07:22 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on June 22, 2010, 07:17 PM
    Thinking and feeling in the absence of hard evidence are subjective. If anything is unseen it is by definition unknowable. We use objective means to make it knowable by revealing the evidence and we usually do this by employing some technological extension of one or more of our senses, like a telescope say, coupled with a tool like mathematics.


    That tech is now available for the spirit world.  Check out Dr. Rick Strassman's DMT research.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #788 - June 22, 2010, 07:25 PM
    Quote from: kero-zen on June 22, 2010, 07:18 PM
    man! it was not one of the options!!!


    lol  Why not?

    Quote from: kero-zen on June 22, 2010, 07:18 PM
    IN YOUR OWN POINT OF VIEW is it better to:
    1) be a good person who don't believes in god
    2)be an evil person who does believes in god
    just choose 1 or 2


    It is a tie because they are both hellbound.  What else do you have?  I like tests.

    Give me another.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #789 - June 22, 2010, 07:26 PM
    Quote from: DigDug on June 22, 2010, 07:21 PM
    Mrasheed are you going to respond to my post?


    Ask me the questions again in a fresh post.  You confused me with your foolishness.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #790 - June 22, 2010, 07:29 PM
    So if they are both hellbound it is better!! because now that god's jugment isn't in the way you can really choose by yourself so 1 or 2 IN YOUR OWN OPINION ACCORDING TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE BOTH HELLBOUND
    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. "
    "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world. "
    --Buddha
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #791 - June 22, 2010, 07:35 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 22, 2010, 07:26 PM
    Ask me the questions again in a fresh post.  You confused me with your foolishness.


    you said...

    "If the Muslims stole innocents from their homes and sold them into slavery, they were 100% wrong."

    I said...

    "Well they did this.  They attacked non muslims and invaded their land taking innocent people from their homes. This is a part of Islamic methodology. You just called the methodology of Islam evil.

    I find it funny that you enjoy debating when you are not only ignorant of Islamic beliefs but also Islamic history."


    So what say you mrasheed?

    here is the OP http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=10789.msg291711#msg291711
    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #792 - June 22, 2010, 07:37 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 22, 2010, 07:22 PM
    That tech is now available for the spirit world.  Check out Dr. Rick Strassman's DMT research.


    I've read Strassman's work on DMT but I am unsure how you are drawing a connection between DMT and Islam. Perhaps this would be better discussed in a fresh thread as I am very much interested in DMT.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #793 - June 22, 2010, 07:45 PM
    1 OR 2 Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh???
    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. "
    "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world. "
    --Buddha
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #794 - June 22, 2010, 07:46 PM
    Quote from: DreamWeaver on June 17, 2010, 09:31 PM
    okay... here are a few ayats.  What is the theme?  Sex, wine, and more sex.  And then some more sex after that.  WHERE does it discuss fellowshipping with god?  Except for a brief "salam" at the start of things.  Then its off to more sex, laying around in green silk getting a non suntan, and then more sex.


    Similar to the descriptions of hellfire, this is imagery designed for a people of earth, who are limited to earth experiences, to give them an idea of what it will be like in the eternal realms.  It's basically saying, "It's like everything you love the most but MORE!!"  I don't believe our experiences in the spirit world of the future will be the same as the scriptual descriptions; they are designed to give us an idea of extreme pleasure or extreme pain.

    Quote from: DreamWeaver on June 17, 2010, 09:31 PM
     And why the emphasis on the "pretty boys" serving everyone?


    It was probably something that the Arabs of the time period considered as part of their idea of luxury.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #795 - June 22, 2010, 07:50 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 22, 2010, 07:46 PM
    Similar to the descriptions of hellfire, this is imagery designed for a people of earth, who are limited to earth experiences, to give them an idea of what it will be like in the eternal realms.  It's basically saying, "It's like everything you love the most but MORE!!"  I don't believe our experiences in the spirit world of the future will be the same as the scriptual descriptions; they are designed to give us an idea of extreme pleasure or extreme pain.

    It was probably something that the Arabs of the time period considered as part of their idea of luxury.


    so it is metaphors Huh?? maybe, also when they says god maybe it is a metaphor refering to someone who lived in that times and claimed that he was god?Huh?
    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. "
    "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world. "
    --Buddha
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #796 - June 22, 2010, 07:53 PM
    Quote from: DigDug on June 22, 2010, 07:35 PM
    you said...

    "If the Muslims stole innocents from their homes and sold them into slavery, they were 100% wrong."

    I said...

    "Well they did this.  They attacked non muslims and invaded their land taking innocent people from their homes."


    And they were wrong for it.

    Quote from: DigDug on June 22, 2010, 07:35 PM
    This is a part of Islamic methodology.


    I'm a Muslim.

    If I started wacking people upside the head with a machete, and my family started doing it, and then their families, and their families, etc., would it suddenly be considered "Islamic Methodology" to go around wacking people with machetes?

    Why in the world would you possibly think it is "Islamic" to steal people from their homes just because sme greedy @$$holes decided to do it?

    Please explain.

    Quote from: DigDug on June 22, 2010, 07:35 PM
    You just called the methodology of Islam evil.


    You are insane.

    Seriously.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #797 - June 22, 2010, 07:54 PM
    Quote from: kero-zen on June 22, 2010, 07:50 PM
    so it is metaphors? maybe, also when they says god maybe it is a metaphor refering to someone who lived in that times and claimed that he was god?


    Who claimed he was a god?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #798 - June 22, 2010, 07:55 PM
    Quote from: kero-zen on June 22, 2010, 07:45 PM
    1 OR 2 ??


    Both.

    It's a tie.

    Does it really matter if hell is a billion degrees or a trillion?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #799 - June 22, 2010, 07:57 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 22, 2010, 07:53 PM
    And they were wrong for it.

    I'm a Muslim.

    If I started wacking people upside the head with a machete, and my family started doing it, and then their families, and their families, etc., would it suddenly be considered "Islamic Methodology" to go around wacking people with machetes?

    Why in the world would you possibly think it is "Islamic" to steal people from their homes just because sme greedy @$$holes decided to do it?

    Please explain.

    You are insane.

    Seriously.



    Cause mohamed did it, being the prophet he is the one showing the rules, but you and your family are nothing(for islam of course)
    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. "
    "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world. "
    --Buddha
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #800 - June 22, 2010, 08:01 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 22, 2010, 07:53 PM
    And they were wrong for it.


    So Muhammad and his companions were wrong?

    Quote
    I'm a Muslim.

    If I started wacking people upside the head with a machete, and my family started doing it, and then their families, and their families, etc., would it suddenly be considered "Islamic Methodology" to go around wacking people with machetes?


    It's Islamic methodology because it is ordained by Allah that this behaviour is allowed and was practised by Muhammad and his companions. (taking the women of enemy combatants as slaves)

    Quote
    Why in the world would you possibly think it is "Islamic" to steal people from their homes just because sme greedy @$$holes decided to do it?

    Please explain.


    You say words of kufr through your ignorance. You just in effect called Muhammad and his companions "greedy bastards".

    If you really don't believe me research it yourself or I (or anyone else here) will post the mountains of evidence for you from Islamic sources.

    Quote
    You are insane.

    Seriously.


    No I'm actually not insane. You are just so ignorant of the religion that you claim to follow that it's laughable.
    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #801 - June 22, 2010, 08:04 PM
    Quote from: z10
    I've read Strassman's work on DMT but I am unsure how you are drawing a connection between DMT and Islam.


    Dr. Strassman's study revealed that the DMT 'trip' is actually our brains tuning in to a different frequency enabling us to experience different realities or universes, all with different rules and entities.  Our bodies make DMT naturally and it is in certain circumstances that the levels get high enough to cause the 'trip.'  There are 2% of the human population that have the ability to trip without the aid of outside stimuli (the prophets were clearly in this category) such as ritual movement, meditation, and natural so-called "hallucinogenic" substances.

    The field is still brand new, but the door has been opened.  The path to other realms is now ready to be mapped by science.  Allah is the Lord of all the worlds.  We thought He was only talking about our universe's planets, right?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #802 - June 22, 2010, 08:04 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 22, 2010, 07:54 PM
    Who claimed he was a god?

    you told that there was differents things who can be interpreted as metaphors(like description of heaven and hell) so why when they describing god it wouldn't be a metaphor for someone or something that was considered as god at that time?
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 22, 2010, 07:55 PM
    Both.

    It's a tie.

    Does it really matter if hell is a billion degrees or a trillion?

    if hell is a billion degree it is a fact so there is no opinions here, but in the question i'am asking you, the respond differs from the person asked, so i want to know your opinion, why are you afraid to respond something using your OWN opinion?
    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. "
    "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world. "
    --Buddha
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #803 - June 22, 2010, 08:08 PM
    Quote from: DigDug on June 22, 2010, 08:01 PM
    So Muhammad and his companions were wrong?  You say words of kufr through your ignorance. You just in effect called Muhammad and his companions "greedy bastards".


    Are you trying to say that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions were actually stealing innocent people out of their homes and selling them into slavery?

    This is the last of your posts I will answer, because you are not right in the head.  Truly.  I cannot work in these conditions.  Who let you out?

    Quote from: DigDug on June 22, 2010, 08:01 PM
    It's Islamic methodology because it is ordained by Allah that this behaviour is allowed and was practised by Muhammad and his companions. (taking the women of enemy combatants as slaves)


    You are confused.  If they were on the battlefield encouraging their pagan menfolk to attack and kill the believers in the One God, then they were by no means "innocent."

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #804 - June 22, 2010, 08:08 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 22, 2010, 08:04 PM
    Allah is the Lord of all the worlds.  We thought He was only talking about our universe's planets, right?

    not only, also the universe of mohamed's imagination
    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. "
    "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world. "
    --Buddha
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #805 - June 22, 2010, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: kero-zen on June 22, 2010, 08:04 PM
    ...so why when they describing god...


    Who tried to describe God, Skwigelf?

    Quote from: kero-zen on June 22, 2010, 08:04 PM
    why are you afraid to respond something using your OWN opinion?


    My opinion is "it's a tie."  I honestly don't have an opinion as to which one is actually worse.  They are both losing the Game based on the rules.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #806 - June 22, 2010, 08:12 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 22, 2010, 08:08 PM
    If they were on the battle field encouraging their pagan menfolk, then they were by no means "innocent."

    In our views they were innocent, cause they didn't done something wrong, in your views they weren't innocent  because they weren't believing in the same god as you.
    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. "
    "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world. "
    --Buddha
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #807 - June 22, 2010, 08:15 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 22, 2010, 08:08 PM
    Are you trying to say that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions were actually stealing innocent people out of their homes and selling them into slavery?


    yes. would you like me to prove it or would you rather just bury your head in the sand?

    Quote
    You are confused.  If they were on the battle field encouraging their pagan menfolk, then they were by no means "innocent."


    No rasheed. You are more than confused. they were sitting in their homes when the Muslims invaded their city/village.

    You really know nothing at all about Islam but yet you see yourself fit to convince others to follow it. This is the height of arrogance.
    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #808 - June 22, 2010, 08:16 PM
    Quote from: kero-zen on June 22, 2010, 08:04 PM
    In our views they were innocent, cause they didn't done something wrong...


    Well, how about that.

    Shouldn't you be practicing your guitar?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #809 - June 22, 2010, 08:16 PM
    Has the existence of God been proved scientifically? (Yes/No)? If No, then case closed. If yes, then please provide the proof, or give reference to a "scientific" journal, book where a decisive proof has been provided for God, as understood in religion.
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