Again, same idea. If Allah gets to define what is right then he has every right to destroy them even if they are believers, pious, or whatever else. Indeed, Allah could make it the epitome of justice to destroy people who believe in and obey him.
Of course He could if He so desired. Is He not "God?"
This fails to take into account the matter of whether or not it is just or unjust of Allah to destroy any given people.
It is Allah who determines what is just or unjust. Who is there to contradict Him? To tell Him "no?" Who is there to prevent Him from tossing you head first into the Pit for your insolence?
The issue here is not that Allah warns people before destroying them. Rather it is why he does so.
Because Allah is Supreme and He does whatsoever He willeth.
You see, you said that Allah defines what is moral and immoral. I simply replied by quoting these verses to show that Allah himself would regard his destroying people, without first warning them, as unjust. But you see, if it would be unjust of Allah to do so, then it follows that Allah does not, in fact, define what is moral.
You are adding something to the equation that does not exist. It was set
then when He said it, what was just/unjust about the issue. It is God who is Most Just. It would not be fair... fundamentally... to punish a people without first warning them and arming them with the knowledge that what they are doing is wrong. It is Allah Himself who set the rule for that AS IT WAS SAID. As you read it. There is nothing that exists beyond or above Him. The only rules that He is limited by are those that He places upon Himself.
This is the case because if Allah did define what is moral, then it would be perfectly just of him to destroy people without first warning them, for the sins that they already committed. But the fact that Allah must warn people first before he destroys them, in order to remain just, shows that there is a moral standard outside of Allah's actions and decrees that he must abide by to be just.
Nay. In order to be Just, He must act in accordance with the rules for justice that He Himself laid down.
Do you understand now?
I understand you, I merely 100% disagree.
So you therefore agree that morality is entirely meaningless and is contingent solely upon the arbitrary dictates and preferences of Allah?
It is Allah who provides the ultimate meaning for objects, laws and processes by letting us know of His preferences.
Hence why he could decree that blood sacrifices of children be made to him?
This is a reference to the circumcision? It is Allah who knows and I who know not. I admit to having done little research into that area. My interest is actually too low to do so.
In this case, morality could be anything, it could even be incoherent and contradictory.
Only to the limited and inferior mortal mind.
I'm saying that such a completely arbitrary morality renders the word 'morality' completely meaningless and even contradicts the Quran itself.
I completely disagree. All the rest of the creation performs according to perfect order; why do you assume that because you do not understand something, it is now meaningless? Are you omniscient? Can you even pretend to be? Then by what criteria should I uphold your knowledge as worthy of accepting as Truth over the one who made us?
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