In other words, one must presuppose that the core tenet of Islam is true in order to know whether or not Islam, or any other religion for that matter, is true.
You have to start your study with SOME standard of truth to hold other items up to for scrutiny, otherwise you'll chase yourself around in a circle to death.
That is, logically speaking, exactly the same as saying that the best car in the world is a red Ferrari because the best car in the world has to be both red and a Ferrari. Both cases presuppose the rectitude of a position that has, in fact, yet to be substantiated.
Have you been studying that circular reasoning thing I showed you?
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I'm already familiar with the concept. You shouldn't let it bother you so much, since it is a necessary part of faith-based discussions.
Haha The very exercise of reason and rational decision making is a prerequisite to knowing what we should or should not put our faith in in the first place!
Nah, I believe we use various levels of both at all times. It's the nature of living as a human with our finite faculties. We only f*ck up intellectually when we begin to lite-weight deify Intellect and act like we know everything about a given subject.
You can't just place faith in the first religion that you come accross.
Shake 'em all up in a hat first then.
The only way you can possibly know...
See? That's the kind of talk I was talking about. You're f*cking up all ready.
what religion you should put your faith in is by the exercise of reason.
Intuition. Faith. "heart." Stuff like that are also how we interact with the world. There is more in existence that touches us than only what you can see, hear, taste, feel.
If you don't use reason to determine what religion is actually correct in the first instance, then you are following nothing more than caprice, and could be led to believe in any religion, regardless of how ridiculous it is.
Not so. You only think that because you are falsely considering 'faith' to be a triviality to be overcome by 'advanced humans.' That attitude will be your destruction.
No-one in their right mind asserts that human reason is some kind of deity or is infallible.
Every atheist I have ever encountered believes it, and even if they don't outright admit such a thing, they ALWAYS imply it during their responses. It's just a matter of time before it shows itself. It is a fundamental tenant of the Atheistic Humanist faith.
Only those who hold certain views and say that their judgement regarding those views cannot be incorrect assert that their mere human reason and judgement is infallible.
[cut-n-paste for easy retrieval later]The effective use of reason demands agnosticism, skepticism, and the presuppositional understanding that one's own reason is completely fallible.
Like any tool, the best use of a particular tool is in combination with its fellow tools as needed. This includes faith, intuition, etc.
And if the Adversary does not have the Truth on his side, and the Truth stands clear from falsehood, and falsehood is bound to perish, and God created man's reason with the intent that he use it to recognize the Truth... how can the adversary possibly win against someone who understands his own fallibility and who only believes in the strongest ideas, because surely Islam must be founded upon the strongest ideas?
I'm not sure what you are actually asking here. Try again please.
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